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GaYellowDawg

(4,449 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:44 AM Oct 2012

No one's mentioned this little disconnect from reality by Rmoney

When Rmoney was talking about deductions, he picked a number out of the air. "Let's say that you're getting $25,000 of deductions" - WHO the FUCK has $25K in deductions? That's over half my salary!!

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No one's mentioned this little disconnect from reality by Rmoney (Original Post) GaYellowDawg Oct 2012 OP
Middle class people don't have $25K of deductions. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2012 #1
Hell, mine don't even meet the standard! ananda Oct 2012 #2
Don't forget to include your PORTFOLIO!! Barack_America Oct 2012 #3
Not to mention dividends and shit. Bobbie Jo Oct 2012 #10
He was trying not to scare the shit out of all of his rich friends. Blue Idaho Oct 2012 #4
Last time he said $17,000 Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #5
+1000 tk2kewl Oct 2012 #8
Thank you Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #17
You're starting to act like Mitt, there. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #28
His friends do. Nt okieinpain Oct 2012 #6
And that interest deduction woopfuckingee. 20 cents annually if get lucky. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #7
homeowners in high property tax states unblock Oct 2012 #9
You only deduct a percentage of your sunnystarr Oct 2012 #18
And he even said "let's pick a number" !! And yes, now that you mention it-- Dang Big Number! Overseas Oct 2012 #11
Well, once those tax breaks on your capital gains hit your bank account, you'll be rich! proud2BlibKansan Oct 2012 #12
He wasn't taking about or to "You people" tavalon Oct 2012 #13
I Immediately Caught That Myself ChoppinBroccoli Oct 2012 #14
Maybe one year one might have it, if paying for a big one time expense, ecstatic Oct 2012 #15
I couldn't believe that he said that. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #16
caught that one too Duppers Oct 2012 #19
He obviously thought that number would appeal to the middle class AgingAmerican Oct 2012 #20
90% have little more than that to live on Tigress DEM Oct 2012 #21
If You Have a Relatively New Mortgage On the Road Oct 2012 #22
Preceding that he said, "let's pick a number, any number. Let's say, oh, $________" - Native Oct 2012 #23
It's more than my entire salary. intheflow Oct 2012 #24
He also claimed in so many words that middle class would not pay capital gains taxes lindysalsagal Oct 2012 #25
That's more than what I make in a year. Terra Alta Oct 2012 #26
This dumb fuck has been all over the place flyguyjake Oct 2012 #27

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
1. Middle class people don't have $25K of deductions.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:49 AM
Oct 2012

He also wants to reduce taxes on capital gains, interest and dividends because - he says - these reductions will help the middle class. Really? How nice. Mittens, people whose gross income is $50K or so don't have income from capital gains, interest and dividends! Their income is their wages from their shitty job, taxed at the higher ordinary income rate.

He really has no clue, does he? Bet he hasn't been taxed on ordinary income in many years.

Blue Idaho

(5,057 posts)
4. He was trying not to scare the shit out of all of his rich friends.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:52 AM
Oct 2012

Just like his comments on tax free investments and capital gains.

He knows nothing about ordinary Americans.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
5. Last time he said $17,000
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:54 AM
Oct 2012

By the election you could get $100,000

You add up mortgage deduction ......... $10,000
State income tax .......... $6000
Property tax .......... $3000

Just these three are .......... $19,000
and there are other deductions that one could take

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
28. You're starting to act like Mitt, there.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:39 AM
Oct 2012

Every time he brings the 'deduction bucket amount' up to talk about, he adds a thou or two onto the number.


















unblock

(52,332 posts)
9. homeowners in high property tax states
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 01:00 AM
Oct 2012

a few years ago at least, the average house price in america was about $300,000. it's higher in some places, like the northeast, but then so are salaries.

so let's say you've saved up $50,000 and now have a $250,000 mortgage. at 5% interest you're paying close to $12,500 interest alone in the first year, plus your property taxes in this area could be another $12,500, believe it or not. that's $25,000 in deductions right there.

now, a $50,000 salary couldn't likely swing that without significant savings or other resources, but then your $50,000 salary in, i'm guessing georgia from the "ga" part of your username, would likely be at least $75,000 or $80,000 in the northeast, so this becomes a little more plausible.



but your point is spot on. "$25,000 in deductions" speaks to the portion of his base who might contribute a few hundred or so to his campaign, not the average debate viewer who's merely deciding whether or not and who to vote for.

it's a fund-raising statistic, not a vote-raising statistic.

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
18. You only deduct a percentage of your
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 01:19 AM
Oct 2012

itemized deductions. What rMoney isn't telling you is that he wants to cap your total deductions to a certain unspecified figure. That would involve your individual deductions (you and spouse) and dependent deductions both of which reduce your taxable income directly and in much higher numbers.

You can be sure that the earned income credit will be gone as well. That's exactly how he's going to pay for his own new tax rate of 1% along with the rest of fat cats who don't create jobs. He's taking a play out of St Ronnie's book when he gave a tax cut in one hand while stealing the interest deduction on credit cards and loans with the other. That was a huge loss to the middle class.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
11. And he even said "let's pick a number" !! And yes, now that you mention it-- Dang Big Number!
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 01:02 AM
Oct 2012

Like one of his middle class who earn $250,000!

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
12. Well, once those tax breaks on your capital gains hit your bank account, you'll be rich!
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 01:04 AM
Oct 2012

See? It's all good in RomneyLand.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
14. I Immediately Caught That Myself
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 01:06 AM
Oct 2012

I was hoping Obama would stand up and say, "Who here has EVER had $25,000 in deductions?"

Not to mention the fact that the middle class people Rmoney SAYS he wants to help by eliminating taxes on Capital Gains, the vast majority of them don't HAVE anything that makes Capital Gains. But guess who does have LOTS of money in Capital Gains every year. Oh yeah, that deduction is to help out the middle class. I have a one word response to that notion: Malarkey.

ecstatic

(32,733 posts)
15. Maybe one year one might have it, if paying for a big one time expense,
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 01:08 AM
Oct 2012

like surgery or home improvements or something. But it definitely wouldn't be a regular occurrence for a middle class person.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
20. He obviously thought that number would appeal to the middle class
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 01:22 AM
Oct 2012

Because that is a small fraction of what his own deductions are.

On the Road

(20,783 posts)
22. If You Have a Relatively New Mortgage
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 01:29 AM
Oct 2012

almost all your mortgage payments are interest and therefore tax deductible. Even a $2,000 per month payment, which is not particularly high, is $24,000 per year. Most closing costs in the year you buy the house are also deductible, and they run into thousands. Not to mention the other categories -- education, health care, charitable contributions, etc. A lot of middle-class families are going to exceed the cap.

Native

(5,943 posts)
23. Preceding that he said, "let's pick a number, any number. Let's say, oh, $________" -
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:15 AM
Oct 2012

and people say he isn't giving any details to his tax plan.

lindysalsagal

(20,733 posts)
25. He also claimed in so many words that middle class would not pay capital gains taxes
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:06 PM
Oct 2012

Right. Because that's what you get when you buy and sell lots of really expensive stuff too often. Like the 1%.

Fool.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
26. That's more than what I make in a year.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:09 PM
Oct 2012

Rmoney doesn't care about us "little people", though -- as long as he and his rich friends get tax breaks, screw us little people. Romney truly lives in his own little world, and it's a frightening one.

 

flyguyjake

(492 posts)
27. This dumb fuck has been all over the place
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:09 AM
Oct 2012

First it was $17,000
Then it was $25,000
And then it went to $50,000

He's a dumb fuck, he's NEVER ran ANY numbers. "Those people" do that.

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