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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:12 AM Oct 2012

GOPers throughout the web are trying to assert that "act of terror" is not equal to "terrorism"

A responder to the video told me I was crazy for asserting this. Here is the thread in question:

Me: Here is a hint to those who don't get it. When you are speaking about an attack event and say, "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation", it means you are calling the act a terrorist act. THis isnt even particularly subtle. It's just a shade below completely obvious.

america2revolt: Calling something an act of terror and a terrorist attack is two totally different things. But maybe that's just me.The kid next door can execute an act of terror on my kid. But that doesn't make him a terrorist. These were terrorist that attacked the embassy. Let's call a spade a spade and stop beating around the bush about it. If Obama truely believed this was an act of terrorism he would have said act of terrorism by these terrorists not just calling them attackers. a mugger is an attacker.

Me: Actually, if the kid next door executes an act of terror, he is a terrorist and it was a terrorist attack.

america2revolt: Hahaha you must work for the Dept. of Homeland Security

Me: This really isnt that hard. If someone commits an act of terror, they are a terrorist. I'm sorry, but words have meanings that matter. If you dont like them, thats not my problem.

THis is all in comments to this video:

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GOPers throughout the web are trying to assert that "act of terror" is not equal to "terrorism" (Original Post) stevenleser Oct 2012 OP
Are the laces of shoes shoelaces? TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #1
If he/she responds again, I am using that one!!!! stevenleser Oct 2012 #9
Right. But a rusty abandoned trailer in the desert is WMDs. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #2
Idiots, even Romney call him out on not saying "act of terror" fearnobush Oct 2012 #3
Yep, it's in the transcript: pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #12
These are the same folks who thought... caraher Oct 2012 #4
They are going to see it through their lens dballance Oct 2012 #5
The words have an extra meaning during haunted house season, that's now BTW Peepsite Oct 2012 #6
It was a made up hoax when they started up with this stupid-as-hell Benghazi schtick Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #7
I never understood it either. But the MSM never called bullshit on it, so Mitt/Fox kept at it. SunSeeker Oct 2012 #15
Are they delusional? RedStateLiberal Oct 2012 #8
Yeah?? Well they can all kiss my hemorrhoids. cliffordu Oct 2012 #10
If I called those people idiots, that would be an insult to idiots everywhere. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #11
Ya know what? Let 'em parce and spin all they want. TDale313 Oct 2012 #13
Exactly - let them parse that bullshit to the electorate jsmirman Oct 2012 #20
Are: acts of patriots patriotism? Acts of friends friendship? Acts of crime criminality? patrice Oct 2012 #14
Well, I mean, theKed Oct 2012 #16
just ask them "what's the definition of "is"?" ibegurpard Oct 2012 #17
Sonuvah,... greyl Oct 2012 #18
The real point in this whole line of questioning is that abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #19
And a Certififcate of Live Birth is not a Birth Certificate. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #21
Exactly. Two totally different things. Mariana Oct 2012 #27
It doesn't matter, because Mittens specifically said... regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #22
I don't think that was a mistake. I think he was purposely saying that the buck stops with him ... patrice Oct 2012 #28
That's understandable if you remind yrself they struggle to comprehend simple sentences n/t Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #23
Because they have nothing else to talk about! flyguyjake Oct 2012 #24
Remind him that the King and Parliament declared the founding fathers terrorists. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #25
So the "War on Terror" that this country has been engaging in Mariana Oct 2012 #26

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
1. Are the laces of shoes shoelaces?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:16 AM
Oct 2012

They know how damaging this moment was to Mittens, they're desperate and reaching now with word games.

fearnobush

(3,960 posts)
3. Idiots, even Romney call him out on not saying "act of terror"
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:17 AM
Oct 2012

Romney said act of terror twice. I t was Crowley who used the word terrorism. But to try to deflate this is pure reaching. Face it republicans, you been had tonight.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
12. Yep, it's in the transcript:
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:35 AM
Oct 2012
ROMNEY: I — I think interesting the president just said something which — which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.

OBAMA: That’s what I said.

ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror.

It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you’re saying?

OBAMA: Please proceed governor.

ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

OBAMA: Get the transcript.

CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…

OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?

CROWLEY: He — he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.

ROMNEY: This — the administration — the administration indicated this was a reaction to a video and was a spontaneous reaction.

CROWLEY: It did.

ROMNEY: It took them a long time to say this was a terrorist act by a terrorist group. And to suggest — am I incorrect in that regard, on Sunday, the — your secretary –

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/16/full-transcript-of-the-second-presidential-debate/


 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
5. They are going to see it through their lens
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:19 AM
Oct 2012

The diehard GOPers will see it through their lens the way they wish to see it, and there will be no changing their mind.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
7. It was a made up hoax when they started up with this stupid-as-hell Benghazi schtick
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:26 AM
Oct 2012

and now they got themselves beaten with it. It's time to let go of that bone. They're outted, it's done. They should've had more sense than to fabricate this bs to begin with.

SunSeeker

(51,728 posts)
15. I never understood it either. But the MSM never called bullshit on it, so Mitt/Fox kept at it.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:57 AM
Oct 2012

From day one Obama and Hillary said the people who killed the embassador did not appear to be mere protestors, that they used the protests as cover, that this appeared to be a sophisticated, coordinated attack. And then Susan Rice made that poorly worded statement to the effect that they did not have evidence that it was a terrorist attack--and Fox and Mitt seized on that.

Good timeline and recap here:
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/15/1014241/timline-benghazi-attack/

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
13. Ya know what? Let 'em parce and spin all they want.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:35 AM
Oct 2012

Tens of millions of people saw Romney get fact checked in real time by the moderator. They saw Obama's "proceed" moment. They can't put that genie back in the bottle. That was a really bad moment for Romney, and I don't think them debating whether acts of terror meant terrorism or was about the event in question undoes that image of Romney smuggly acting all gotcha with the president and getting smacked down by both Obama and CC.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
20. Exactly - let them parse that bullshit to the electorate
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:46 AM
Oct 2012

I find their argument nonsensical and meaningless, as the very definition of terrorism, I would dare say, is the commission of "acts of terror," but whatever fever-ridden save they think they've cooked up in their hive-mind, fuck them.

You lose and there's no fixing that.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
14. Are: acts of patriots patriotism? Acts of friends friendship? Acts of crime criminality?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:44 AM
Oct 2012

Acts of the responsible responsibility? Acts of loving love? Acts of liberals liberal? Acts of conservatives conservatism?

abumbyanyothername

(2,711 posts)
19. The real point in this whole line of questioning is that
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:11 AM
Oct 2012

4 Americans are dead.

And one side is trying to twist that to advantage.

And one side is trying to run the American government.

And that much is obvious to everyone. So as Obama said tonight, "Proceed . . . . "

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
27. Exactly. Two totally different things.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:10 AM
Oct 2012

LOL, my kid has neither - she has a "Certification of Vital Record". I wonder what they'd make of that?

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
22. It doesn't matter, because Mittens specifically said...
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 04:24 AM
Oct 2012

...that Obama had not called it "an act of terror" until two weeks later.

(I hope, if Romney brings it up again at the third debate, that Obama will be quick enough to correct the one slip I saw him make all evening: going along with the questioner's assumption that there had been a request for more security at the consulate in Benghazi. In fact, the request was for the embassy in Tripoli; neither Obama nor Clinton ever had to deal with a request for security in Benghazi, because no such request was ever made.)

patrice

(47,992 posts)
28. I don't think that was a mistake. I think he was purposely saying that the buck stops with him ...
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:36 AM
Oct 2012

You don't hang your SOS out there in the world, twisting in the wind. You MUST back him/her, because s/he'd be impotent without the President backing him/her. That's a strong position in the world.

I think he did not forget Tripoli. He was just making a different more important statement. It was the right thing to do.

 

flyguyjake

(492 posts)
24. Because they have nothing else to talk about!
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 04:39 AM
Oct 2012

They have no plans, aside from flip-flopping. They are fighting tooth and nail to pin Libya on Obama because they're hoping it sticks with the wars monger voters.

Seriously is this all they have to talk about? What about Mittens tax returns or his 20% tax cut that's unpaid for!

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
25. Remind him that the King and Parliament declared the founding fathers terrorists.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 04:44 AM
Oct 2012

That always shuts them up IRL & makes them go bother someone else online.

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
26. So the "War on Terror" that this country has been engaging in
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:04 AM
Oct 2012

all this time has nothing to do with terrorism? Because, you know, terror and terrorism are two totally different things. Ask him did he make that distinction all those thousands of times Bush put his face in front of a camera and babbled about "terror".

Also, don't forget to give him grief for not capitalizing "America" in his ridiculous username. Pretty damn disrespectful if you ask me. Why does he hate America?

And that username - america2revolt? Really? Is this person another wannabe RW revolutionary? Those have got to be among the most pathetic people on the face of the earth.

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