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Enrique

(27,461 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:56 AM Oct 2012

You will NOT believe this "Fact Check" in the Washington Post

This is like a parody of the most desperate attempt to help Romney. This is like something Colbert would come up with.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-the-second-presidential-debate/2012/10/17/d6d3a7b4-17a3-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_blog.html

What did Obama say in the Rose Garden a day after the attack in Libya? ”No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation,” he said.

But he did not say “terrorism”—and it took the administration days to concede that that it an “act of terrorism” that appears unrelated to initial reports of anger at a video that defamed the prophet Muhammad.

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You will NOT believe this "Fact Check" in the Washington Post (Original Post) Enrique Oct 2012 OP
Romney himself kept using the phrase "act of terror" napkinz Oct 2012 #1
It blew up? sellitman Oct 2012 #32
Please don't call him Flipper KamaAina Oct 2012 #37
Well, they're liberals, actually. TahitiNut Oct 2012 #59
Dude: the term "bitch" is UNACCEPTABLE, unless of course you're speaking of a female dog. Raster Oct 2012 #49
I with you on "bitch." Betsy Ross Oct 2012 #50
Urban dictionary definition: George II Oct 2012 #54
Yea, life's a bitch and then you die Flint Stone Oct 2012 #58
Get over it? I think not. Raster Oct 2012 #65
the poster did not call anyone a bitch. He said she bitch slapped. robinlynne Oct 2012 #68
where do you think the term came from? Raster Oct 2012 #73
I think you mean "pimp slapped" in your description. lexx21 Oct 2012 #70
And you don't see the men libodem Oct 2012 #74
I am a man and equipped with a penis. And have come to realize that the degredation of women.... Raster Oct 2012 #75
Oh, Come On Now... Blue Palasky Oct 2012 #72
You are right sellitman Oct 2012 #76
You are a stand up Guy! I also used the same word and usage and was corrected. Raster Oct 2012 #77
Jennifer Rubin Cali_Democrat Oct 2012 #2
no I posted the wrong link! Enrique Oct 2012 #8
Here's a case where fact checkers are completely pointless Cali_Democrat Oct 2012 #62
This was to be the lamestream media's and rethugs' BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #3
It's like a sixth grader wrote that. Ridiculous! Dem2TheCore Oct 2012 #4
Except Romney didn't say "terrorism" eithr alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #5
I guess the WP didn't take Obama's advice to Romney: liberalmuse Oct 2012 #13
Good catch! Canuckistanian Oct 2012 #30
+ infinity. Uncle Joe Oct 2012 #31
you're ready to distinguish in a coherent manner between an "act of terror" and a "terrorist act," AlbertCat Oct 2012 #55
That was actually my favorite part of the whole exchange... dangerdoll Oct 2012 #45
Welcome to DU. aquart Oct 2012 #47
mostly giving up on Facebook... dangerdoll Oct 2012 #48
Well, don't be too hard on yourself, dangerdoll. Try verboserizing yourself around here and see how NBachers Oct 2012 #60
That is the Republican Response - Townhall has the same argument el_bryanto Oct 2012 #6
Jennifer Rubin is an idiot Gothmog Oct 2012 #7
true, but this isn't from Rubin! Enrique Oct 2012 #11
Ooooh! The president didn't say it like Rush Limbaugh! He made a beautiful statement about tolerance Overseas Oct 2012 #9
Actually the next day after the Rose Garden speech he again indicated it was an act of terrorism / still_one Oct 2012 #10
GWBush referred to the "War on Terror: JaneQPublic Oct 2012 #12
They spent days investigating something before reaching a definitive conclusion. ieoeja Oct 2012 #14
Rethugs always use the "Ready. Shoot. Aim." strategy. n/t BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #15
their strategy is shoot then blame dems for the consequence leftyohiolib Oct 2012 #27
Exactly... vduhr Oct 2012 #22
HELLO WaPo! An "act of terror" is part and parcel of "terrorism" magical thyme Oct 2012 #16
After shooting himself in the foot, the MittWit tries to hold Obama to the same "standard"? TahitiNut Oct 2012 #17
At the debate Obama said "act of terror", Romney said "act of terror" SweetieD Oct 2012 #18
They also complained that it took Obama 5 days to kill those pirates. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #20
Contact W.Post: WinkyDink Oct 2012 #19
Thanks For The Heads Up -- I Sent The Following Email DallasNE Oct 2012 #53
I left a message decrying the Jesuitical ridiculousness of Mr. Kessler, and how it was sad how far WinkyDink Oct 2012 #57
Missing word? Cheviteau Oct 2012 #71
By Definition An Act Of Terror Is Terrorism DallasNE Oct 2012 #21
No one but the right wing nut jobs care Lex Oct 2012 #23
OK, This phony Repug "issue" over "acts of terror" vs "terrorist attacks" is the STUPIDEST one yet. reformist2 Oct 2012 #24
no acts of terrorism---sounds weird. n/t vaberella Oct 2012 #25
The Media plays Politics. John2 Oct 2012 #26
this is the point at which, in the shoot-out movies, where the guy, whose now out of bullets, leftyohiolib Oct 2012 #28
Obama says it at 4:15. Blanks Oct 2012 #29
Yeah! Without a suffix is just more America-hating commie fascisto-islamicism!!! Marr Oct 2012 #33
Yeah! Without a suffix AlbertCat Oct 2012 #56
If you listen carefully, president said act of terrar. rational_pi Oct 2012 #34
What is your point? eom Blanks Oct 2012 #35
Hilarious. mattclearing Oct 2012 #36
Exactly. Gees.... It means the same thing. The Wielding Truth Oct 2012 #41
Then GlenFreaking Kessler Needs Social Media Pushback on his Cha Oct 2012 #38
pretzel logic spanone Oct 2012 #39
I personally understand Obama's intent... I have confidence he was talking defacto7 Oct 2012 #40
Romney got stuck on semantics liberal N proud Oct 2012 #42
Um ... Bush and his buddies ALWAYS said, "War on Terror" BattyDem Oct 2012 #43
What a bunch of whiners siligut Oct 2012 #44
Romney is the one who kept calling it an "act of terror." Lone_Star_Dem Oct 2012 #46
so, what the fuck was Obama talking about NewJeffCT Oct 2012 #51
"Now there you go again..." upi402 Oct 2012 #52
That damn liberal media The Wizard Oct 2012 #61
The better response to this point of debate is King_Klonopin Oct 2012 #63
Romney put his foot up his own ass... DLine Oct 2012 #64
I think this is a deliberate Republican strategy nxylas Oct 2012 #66
and the AP explains how they play into it Enrique Oct 2012 #69
What do you expect from the Whoreshington Post? Joe Bacon Oct 2012 #67
these people are idiots CitizenPatriot Oct 2012 #78

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
1. Romney himself kept using the phrase "act of terror"
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:58 AM
Oct 2012

So there's nothing they can do to change the story.

It blew up in Romney's face!




sellitman

(11,607 posts)
32. It blew up?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:09 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:49 AM - Edit history (1)

He exploded. It was the single most devastating moment in the night of devastating moments for Flipper.

I had this warm glow descend over me after the moderator smacked down the idiot.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
59. Well, they're liberals, actually.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:16 AM
Oct 2012

Like me, they eschew partisanship. Then again, they don't like sharks ... like the MittWit.


Raster

(20,998 posts)
49. Dude: the term "bitch" is UNACCEPTABLE, unless of course you're speaking of a female dog.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:52 PM
Oct 2012

I understand the context and it was a term I used to use, however I do so no longer.

"bitch" is sexist and degrading. We are better than that. You are better than that.

Betsy Ross

(3,147 posts)
50. I with you on "bitch."
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:13 PM
Oct 2012

But if correctly punctuated, bitch-slapped may have diverged significantly from any association with women, that it might stand on its own. If someone is called a bitch, one assumes the party is female. When someone gets bitch-slapped, no gender comes to mind.

George II

(67,782 posts)
54. Urban dictionary definition:
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:02 PM
Oct 2012

To disrespectfully slap someone in the face with an open hand...........term is used figuratively to mean putting someone in their place (or diss) in no uncertain terms.

Of course I can't use the original "word" because the ONLY post I've had hidden in more than 2500 used that word. I get told when someone insults or offends me to "suck it up" and "grow thicker skin" (expressions used a couple of times for why posts I've reported as offensive have not been hidden), yet use that word and one gets chastised.

Flint Stone

(29 posts)
58. Yea, life's a bitch and then you die
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:10 AM
Oct 2012

Bitch has many uses and has been incorporated into slang to have many different meanings.

GET OVER IT!!!

Raster

(20,998 posts)
65. Get over it? I think not.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:54 AM
Oct 2012

The word "bitch" is sexist and derogatory to women. And yes it does appear to have many different meanings, and almost all are sexist and derogatory to women.

Just like obnoxious "prick" is sexist or derogatory to men. As is the term "dickhead." Again sexist and derogatory.

And in the context of the post I originally replied to: "Bitch-slap," it derives from the way a pimp would slap his whores (female) with an open hand so not to leave a mark and damage his merchandise. And if that is not sexist, I don't know what is.

lexx21

(321 posts)
70. I think you mean "pimp slapped" in your description.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:52 AM
Oct 2012

Those are two entirely different things.

Completely disregarding your take on the "B" word, I have to agree with others here that Obama did indeed Bitch-Slap the corn turd out of Mittens. However that is just my personal take on the issue.

As always, mileage may vary and of course batteries are not included.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
74. And you don't see the men
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:17 PM
Oct 2012

Showing up crying over dickhead. They love their dicks. They are proud to own one. They don't give a mitt.

Guess we just keep acting like little girls, throwing fits, showing up, and telling on our peers.

Call the waaahhhhhmbulance.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
75. I am a man and equipped with a penis. And have come to realize that the degredation of women....
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:25 PM
Oct 2012

...in both word and deed is a major reason why this country is so fucked up. There is a war on women in this country, and it is not just the rethuglicans. Women are routinely treated as second class citizens. And it is not right.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
77. You are a stand up Guy! I also used the same word and usage and was corrected.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:58 PM
Oct 2012

Cheers back to you!

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
8. no I posted the wrong link!
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:12 AM
Oct 2012

believe it or not, this isn't from the obvious Mitt mouthpiece Rubin, it's from their "fact-checker" Glenn Kessler!

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
62. Here's a case where fact checkers are completely pointless
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:24 AM
Oct 2012

They should just provide Obama's quote and let people decide for themselves.

BumRushDaShow

(129,543 posts)
3. This was to be the lamestream media's and rethugs'
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:02 AM
Oct 2012

"October Surprise" to finish off the election and they were just dealt what I hope was a deathblow.

Enough with the hypocrisy and stop politicizing the issue when rethugs spent 4 years blocking everything the man tried to do!

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
5. Except Romney didn't say "terrorism" eithr
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:02 AM
Oct 2012

MR. ROMNEY: Yeah, I — I certainly do. I certainly do. I — I think it’s interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack, he went in the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror? It was not a spontaneous demonstration.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed.

MR. ROMNEY: Is that what you’re saying?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.

MR. ROMNEY: I — I — I want to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

-----------------------------------------------

Um, please proceed to eat a dick, Washington Post. Just because Candidate Mitt stepped on his own dick, there's no need to make shit up.

Also, whenever you're ready to distinguish in a coherent manner between an "act of terror" and a "terrorist act," you can go ahead and make that incoherent case as well.

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
31. + infinity.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:55 PM
Oct 2012


Um, please proceed to eat a dick, Washington Post. Just because Candidate Mitt stepped on his own dick, there's no need to make shit up.

Also, whenever you're ready to distinguish in a coherent manner between an "act of terror" and a "terrorist act," you can go ahead and make that incoherent case as well.



 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
55. you're ready to distinguish in a coherent manner between an "act of terror" and a "terrorist act,"
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:43 PM
Oct 2012

Playing devil's advocate here....

An "act of terror" need not involve terrorists. A car crash can be an act of terror, an earthquake... in that they are acts that induce terror in others.

I suppose that's what the WPO meant...sorta kinda maybe

But considering the subject matter, to assume that's what it meant in the President's speech is...

stupid dumbfuck disin-fucking-genuous crapola with bells and fucking whistles hanging out its ass.

No one in their right mind would assume such a thing.

Period

dangerdoll

(32 posts)
45. That was actually my favorite part of the whole exchange...
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:14 PM
Oct 2012

You could just see Obama's inner grin light up like f'ing Christmas...

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed.

MR. ROMNEY: Is that what you’re saying?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.


Like when my kid tells me a fib, and I know it's a fib, so I just keep asking for more details..."Oh, please do go on. And then what happened? Really? Interesting! And then? Yes, please do continue!" As the scraping of shovel on dirt gets louder and the hole gets deeper.

dangerdoll

(32 posts)
48. mostly giving up on Facebook...
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:47 PM
Oct 2012

...when I realized 90% of my friends are bigots/racists/misogynists, and then Twitter when I realized I'm too verbose.

NBachers

(17,146 posts)
60. Well, don't be too hard on yourself, dangerdoll. Try verboserizing yourself around here and see how
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:16 AM
Oct 2012

it works out for ya.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
6. That is the Republican Response - Townhall has the same argument
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:03 AM
Oct 2012

It's very bizarre. If we unpack it all, Romney is correct, in a way. Obama did not define that attack as an attack on terrorism; probably because information was still coming in and he wanted to keep his options over. You know, like an adult. To Team Romney though, I think all Muslims are terrorists until proved otherwise, and thus any time anything bad happens to Americans and there are Muslims in the vincinity, those Muslims are terrorists.

Bryant

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
11. true, but this isn't from Rubin!
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:14 AM
Oct 2012

i posted the wrong link, this is from their "fact-checker", Glenn Kessler, the one you're supposedly supposed to go to when you want the straight facts. And he gives you this terror vs. terrorism nonsense.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
9. Ooooh! The president didn't say it like Rush Limbaugh! He made a beautiful statement about tolerance
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:12 AM
Oct 2012

instead of inflaming the situation! Aha!

Didn't say the exact same words! Aha!

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
12. GWBush referred to the "War on Terror:
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:21 AM
Oct 2012

In his address on Sept 21, 2001, he stated, "Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there."

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/20/gen.bush.transcript/

Over the years, he commonly spoke of fighting "terror." During all that time, I don't recall any journalists parsing his meaning under the premise that "terror" indicates somethig fundamentallly different from "terrorism."

Even within the military the acronym "GWOT" is defined interchangeably as "Global War on Terror" or "...Terorism," as in the following:

http://www.dodlive.mil/index.php/tag/global-war-on-terror/

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
14. They spent days investigating something before reaching a definitive conclusion.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:13 AM
Oct 2012

Isn't that what a responsible administration is supposed to do?


vduhr

(603 posts)
22. Exactly...
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:48 AM
Oct 2012

I can't understand this parsing over words. It's like 'he said, she said'. It's actually very childish and desperate on Romney's and his campaign's part. It's actions that count and Romney holding a new conference within hours, without first allowing the intelligence reports to come out, was completely irresponsible, and he was inflaming a dangerous situation - not a smart thing to do for someone who wants to be president.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
16. HELLO WaPo! An "act of terror" is part and parcel of "terrorism"
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:19 AM
Oct 2012

talk about grasping at straws! Pathetic!!!!


TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
17. After shooting himself in the foot, the MittWit tries to hold Obama to the same "standard"?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:19 AM
Oct 2012

It's beyond INSANE to pretend that his "fire, aim, ready" approach has any virtue whatsoever, but that's EXACTLY what the MittWit is attempting when he 'accuses' Obama of NOT going off half-cocked.

That the so-called media get seduced into such a false narrative is a pitiful commentary on the demise of mature and responsible journalism.


SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
18. At the debate Obama said "act of terror", Romney said "act of terror"
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:21 AM
Oct 2012

The Rose Garden speech confirms "act of terror". Yet Romney was right because Obama didn't say terrorism? This people are living on another planet. After seeing this spin in real time last night, with them scrambling for excuses, it hit me how big of a blunder this was for Romney.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
20. They also complained that it took Obama 5 days to kill those pirates.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:25 AM
Oct 2012

Apparently that wasn't fast enough.

They are nuts.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
19. Contact W.Post:
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:22 AM
Oct 2012

Ombudsman:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/patrick-b-pexton/2011/02/24/ABkLhYN_page.html

As the Washington Post ombudsman, Patrick Pexton represents readers who have concerns or complaints on topics including accuracy, fairness, ethics and the newsgathering process. He also serves as The Post’s internal critic and strives to promote public understanding of the newspaper, its Web site and journalism more generally. He operates under a contract with The Post that guarantees him independence. Pexton has been a reporter and editor for 28 years. He came to The Post from National Journal, where he was deputy editor, the No. 2 job at the nonpartisan weekly magazine about politics and government. Before National Journal, Pexton worked for the Army Times Publishing Co., where he was an editor, chief Pentagon correspondent and an investigative reporter. He played a key role in uncovering two national stories about the U.S. Navy: the Tailhook sexual harassment scandal and the widespread cheating by midshipmen at the U.S. Naval Academy. At the beginning of his career, Pexton worked at the Shoreline Times newspapers in Southern Connecticut and the Journal newspapers in the Washington suburbs. A Los Angeles native, Pexton graduated from Claremont McKenna College and earned a master’s degree from the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS).

He can be reached at 202.334.7582 or ombudsman@washpost.com.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
53. Thanks For The Heads Up -- I Sent The Following Email
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:44 PM
Oct 2012

In fact checking what Obama said in the Rose Garden on 9/12 you make the grave
mistake of paraphrasing what was said in the debate then claiming that your own
words that you attribute to Obama was false. Nowhere in the transcript of the
exchange will you see the use of the word "terrorism" so to inject that word in
your fact check response makes you look extremely foolish. And this is not the
first time WP has paraphrased what was actually said and then fact checked their
own paraphrasing. That is shameful and a disgrace. But let me help you. Here is
the transcript of the actual exchange.

MR. ROMNEY: Yeah, I — I certainly do. I certainly do. I — I think it’s
interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the
attack, he went in the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. You
said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror? It was
not a spontaneous demonstration.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed.

MR. ROMNEY: Is that what you’re saying?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.

MR. ROMNEY: I — I — I want to make sure we get that for the record, because it
took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of
terror.



 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
57. I left a message decrying the Jesuitical ridiculousness of Mr. Kessler, and how it was sad how far
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:06 PM
Oct 2012

the esteemed WaPo has fallen.

Cheviteau

(383 posts)
71. Missing word?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:58 AM
Oct 2012

I think you may have meant "once" esteemed. Esteem vacated The Washington Post years ago.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
21. By Definition An Act Of Terror Is Terrorism
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:10 AM
Oct 2012

The Washington Post fact checker operation has a long history of being right wing. Besides, Romney was challenging that Obama did not say it was "an act of terror" so they are not even fact checking based on what was said and instead are paraphrasing then saying their own paraphrase is wrong. That is wrong on so many levels.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
24. OK, This phony Repug "issue" over "acts of terror" vs "terrorist attacks" is the STUPIDEST one yet.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:51 AM
Oct 2012

They really are out of gas, aren't they.
 

John2

(2,730 posts)
26. The Media plays Politics.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:01 PM
Oct 2012

I think you can see the bias in some reporters and columnists. It seems to me, some in the media has been pushing this story for the GOP on Libya. It is not the public trying to give it some legs. The public is willing to wait on the facts. Information changes in an ongoing investigation. By definition, it was a violent act, which can be described as an "Act of Terror," in criminal investigations regarding national security.

The attacks by the GOP and some in the News Media is disingenuous period, given the natural of investigations. Issa and the representative from Utah, has a motive to start an investigation before the investigation in libya is even completed. That motive is none other than Political because of their relationship to Mitt Romney's campaign. Now, they are trying to find away to attack the President another way. Even after Hillary Clinton's statement. As long as reporters like Andrea Mitchell and Miss Rubin continue to bring it up, the GOP will continue to use them. It is almost as if, they are trying to defeat President Obama. Whether he did not say the word Terrorism or "Acts of Terror," what is really the point? It sounds like gibberish to me, just like the Press arguing over Romney's 5 Trillion dollar tax plan. Until Mitt Romney fills in the Blanks, This is petty.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
28. this is the point at which, in the shoot-out movies, where the guy, whose now out of bullets,
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:13 PM
Oct 2012

just throws the gun

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
29. Obama says it at 4:15.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:39 PM
Oct 2012

It seemed they were making hay out of him apologizing also. I didn't see any apology.



If they're gonna hand their hat on this; they're gonna be picking it up off the ground.
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
33. Yeah! Without a suffix is just more America-hating commie fascisto-islamicism!!!
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:14 PM
Oct 2012

YARGLE BLARGLE!!!!

rational_pi

(23 posts)
34. If you listen carefully, president said act of terrar.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:28 PM
Oct 2012

So Romney was right, he (President) never said act of terror. 2 weeks later he said act of terrore, When will he finally come and admit that it was act of terrism!

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
40. I personally understand Obama's intent... I have confidence he was talking
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 04:39 PM
Oct 2012

about a terrorist act because that is how I see it. Outside of that, there is a matter of grammatical ambiguity. I won't say more than that. Those who are interested can figure that one out for themselves; I won't spell it out. Look up English grammar - direct object, indirect object, prepositional phrase and put the phrase in question into the different possible orders available. No more said.

BattyDem

(11,075 posts)
43. Um ... Bush and his buddies ALWAYS said, "War on Terror"
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:58 PM
Oct 2012

They never said "War on Terrorism" ... so for rMoney, the Washington Post or ANY Repug to say "acts of terror" is not the same as "acts of terrorism" is (as our VP would say) a bunch of malarkey!

siligut

(12,272 posts)
44. What a bunch of whiners
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:10 PM
Oct 2012

Mitt is the master of semantics. Remember all that crap of when he left Bain and when he no longer had any say in business matters. Now Larry Kudlow is covering it on CNBC, and says Crowley has apologized for her error.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
46. Romney is the one who kept calling it an "act of terror."
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:18 PM
Oct 2012

Which is why this fact check has made no sense to me today.

He & Romney used the same word. Yet Obama is somehow wrong? Seriously?

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
51. so, what the fuck was Obama talking about
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:12 PM
Oct 2012

when he said "no acts of terror..."? What else could he have been referring to? When Michelle yelled at him for leaving the toilet seat up?

Come on!

The Wizard

(12,549 posts)
61. That damn liberal media
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:18 AM
Oct 2012

there they go again. Any wonder newspapers are failing. The Washington Post makes a great birdcage liner, and kitty litter when shredded.

King_Klonopin

(1,307 posts)
63. The better response to this point of debate is
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:23 AM
Oct 2012

It's easy, but irresponsible and reckless, for Romney to
come to the conclusion that it was "terrorists" (e.g. Al Qaida)
with hours after it occurred.

The POTUS has to act reasonably and rationally. The proper
response, which is what Obama basically did, is to recognize
it as terror -- but wait until all the evidence is weighed before
making a final conclusion. Of course, republicans are not known
for acting in reasonable or rational ways. They always go for
bloviation and quick political point-scoring.

It was more than reasonable to first conclude it was a
hateful response to that stupid "documentary". Romney
was trying to create an issue out of thin air -- that is the
real issue.

DLine

(397 posts)
64. Romney put his foot up his own ass...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:50 AM
Oct 2012

Using "act of terror" in his own argument. Fact checking on what he could have meant instead of what he actually said isn't a fact check at all, its a revision.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
66. I think this is a deliberate Republican strategy
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:24 AM
Oct 2012

The reason they lie so much is to make the fact checkers go tougher on Dems in order to appear neutral. If they didn't, the Repugs would just say "typical liberal media, look how their fact checkers label everything we say as a lie and let Democrats get away with murder".

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
69. and the AP explains how they play into it
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:19 AM
Oct 2012

they know the media think this way and they exploit it. Strategy is exactly right.

Jim Drinkard, an Associated Press (AP) editor who oversees the wire service’s fact-checking work, said, “We had to have a self-imposed Michele Bachmann quota in some of those debates.”

After the session, Drinkard said that there wasn’t an actual numerical quota on Bachmann at the AP. It’s just that if the AP had gone back and vetted all her claims that looked dicey, the result would “overload” the debate story. “Often she was just more prone to statements that just didn’t add up,” said Drinkard.

Joe Bacon

(5,165 posts)
67. What do you expect from the Whoreshington Post?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:26 AM
Oct 2012

What do you expect from such a liar as Fred Hiatt?

Really, the Onion is a more credible news source. The Whoreshington Post is just another cog in the Corporate Controlled Conservative Press!

CitizenPatriot

(3,783 posts)
78. these people are idiots
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:13 PM
Oct 2012

how long did it take Bush to get off the chair? anyone who works in counterterrorism will tell you that they don't KNOW yet so they have to work with what they have. They're acting like it's a matter of stating a fact "it's white bread." when it's an unknown being pieced together.

He said act of terror. Get over it, WaPo -- and grow up, before this country dumbs itself down to the level where we are discussing if act of terror is the same exact thing as terrorism instead of discussing if Mitt Romney's foreign policy would be the END OF US ALL.

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