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kpete

(72,022 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:30 AM Oct 2012

George Will: "Immeasurably The Best" Debate I Have Seen

George Will: "Immeasurably The Best" Debate I Have Seen

"I think there was a winner in the sense that Barack Obama not only gained ground he lost but he cauterized some wounds that he inflicted on himself by seeming too diffident and disengaged," conservative columnist George Will said about the second presidential debate during ABC News' coverage.

"Both candidates tonight I think tip-toed right up to the point of rudeness, but stepped back. It was a very good fight. I have seen every presidential debate in American history since the floor of Nixon and Kennedy in 1960. This was immeasurably the best," Will added.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/16/george_will_immeasurably_the_best_debate_i_have_seen.html

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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
1. I think we owe some measure of its success to the questioners
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:36 AM
Oct 2012

I was dreading the questions of these purportedly undecided voters. I've heard them at previous debates, and sometimes they are just dreadful. Last night, with a couple of exceptions, I thought the questions were really well considered, fair, and aimed at really opening up discussion, allowing the candidates to make their points.

The "how would you be different from G W Bush" question was a stroke of brilliance, imo. Romney sort of dodged it, but Obama was able to get a real zinger in there!

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
3. Indeed, and Crowley deserves some credit for that
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:59 AM
Oct 2012

She screened the questions and probably coached the questioners. I thought they were rather pointed questions, each carefully planned to press the first speaker in an area that he would rather not talk about, and therefore made for a very balanced evening.

If there was any bias, it was in saving the knockout question for the last one, which very much worked to Obama's favor. I bet Obama could hardly believe his good fortune when he heard that last question read to Romney.

The question itself was an empty vessel, allowing Obama to easily transition to a strong closing statement.

What do you believe is the biggest misperception that the American people have about you as a man and a candidate? Using specific examples, can you take this opportunity to debunk that misperception and set us straight?


Obama was probably considering playing the 47% card anyway, but Romney sealed the deal when he went with:
I care about 100 percent of the American people. I want 100
percent of the American people to have a bright and prosperous future.
I care about our kids.


One of several big blunders by Romney during this debate.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
2. Romney went beyond rudeness
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:44 AM
Oct 2012

he kept giving Candy "the hand" when she was talking like: stifle yourself, woman!
There is a difference between commanding and domineering, and the republicans still haven't learned the difference.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
4. I thought this particular exchange was highly disrespectful of Crowley.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:12 AM
Oct 2012
CROWLEY: Let me get the governor in here, Mr. President. Let's speak to, if you could...

ROMNEY: Yes.

CROWLEY: ...the idea of self-deportation?

ROMNEY: No, let - let - let me go back and speak to the points that the president made and - and - and let's get them correct. I did not say that the Arizona law was a model for the nation in that aspect. I said that the E-Verify portion of the Arizona law, which is - which is the portion of the law which says that employers could be able to determine whether someone is here illegally or not illegally, that that was a model for the nation. That's number one.


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It doesn't come through so much in the transcript, but his tone of voice was very dismissive -- a real prick. He could have made that exact same point without being a jerk, without insulting the moderator. After all, the question was still on immigration (self-deportation) and he easily could have included his comments about the Arizona law into that answer.

Instead he reverted to his natural one-percenter disposition. Did that factor into Crowley's treatment of him later in the debate? If he had not tried to cut her legs out from under her, would have have fact-checked him on the Rose Garden comment? We'll never know, but he failed to appreciate the considerable power the moderator held in that situation.

Romney isn't nearly as smart as some people want us to believe.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
9. true. like many others here I was not comfortable with her being moderator
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:34 AM
Oct 2012

and choosing which questions would be aired.

but she did as good a job as anyone in any debate in that capacity, I think.

I wish she wasn't a CNN/Repug turd like she is, because she has a lot of talent - too bad she uses her powers for evil instead of good.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
7. Chris Hayes made a good point
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:33 AM
Oct 2012

He said that Flip-Flopper ignored the agreed-upon debate rules as a sign that he was "above" rules and that rules were for "the little people". Reflecting the theme of Hayes last book....

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
8. Will is a funny creature. I either completely agree with him or completely disagree.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:33 AM
Oct 2012

I've been reading his columns since about '83 and it's been like that all along.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. "the floor of Nixon and Kennedy"? What the hell does that mean?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:35 AM
Oct 2012

Does he mean televised debates? He should have said that then. Poor boy's losing it. He needs to go stare at his manly baseball card collection.

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