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Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:38 PM Oct 2012

"Please Proceed, Governor" - Was it planned?

There's a great photo & video diary on DKos that we all must relish in as well.

(snip)

I believe in my heart that the whole "Please proceed, Governor," was planned.

The Obama Administration (including Secretary of State Clinton), after having tolerated the right wing's "they never called it terrorism" meme for weeks, tossed out the lasso, snared their prey, then loosened the tether before the nitwit could realize he'd been tagged.

It was just enough to allow Mitt to walk around, thinking himself free and untethered, but the more he walked and talked, the tighter the tether got. Once he realized he'd been snagged, it was too late. The trap was set and the tether tightened, enough to give the idiot a serious rope burn.

In the end, Romney knew it.



So did Queen Ann:



So did President Obama:



Bravo! Well done, sir.

Videos setting up scenario and audience reaction at:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/17/1146055/--PLEASE-proceed-Governor-CNN-Focus-Group-Reacts

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"Please Proceed, Governor" - Was it planned? (Original Post) Oilwellian Oct 2012 OP
That look on his wife's face is priceless!!!!!!!!! imanamerican63 Oct 2012 #1
Oh yes it is. That look omg wonder what it is she's actually thinking in that moment. nc4bo Oct 2012 #8
Or based on her performance on the View today, perhaps her fear of politicaljack78 Oct 2012 #67
It was that picture that got my attention Oilwellian Oct 2012 #15
I was looking for a shot of Mrs Romney today too Lucinda Oct 2012 #21
Seriously, does America want a First Lady that wears pink and teal? ewwwwwwwww! glinda Oct 2012 #23
The Look on mitt's face! Like he'd been busted Cha Oct 2012 #48
From Twitter: "Queen Ann looks like Barbara Bush walking around the Houston Astrodome. #debate2012" NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #53
Jon Stewart said it was like when the Road Runner lures Wile E. Coyote The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2012 #2
LOL..I saw that Oilwellian Oct 2012 #10
I watched the clip a number of times, and when Obama says, "Proceed, Governer" jsmirman Oct 2012 #19
Possible. Dawson Leery Oct 2012 #3
a hotdog, $2. The look on Romney's face, priceless. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #4
I don't think it was necessarily planned in advance of the debate The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2012 #5
Yep. n/t Lucinda Oct 2012 #22
Never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake (nt) pokerfan Oct 2012 #45
I doubt that Obama hasn't said something similar before. LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #74
A close up of THE EYES Tx4obama Oct 2012 #6
Not just the eyes, imo, Tx4; elleng Oct 2012 #13
Yes :) n/t Tx4obama Oct 2012 #17
That's a look that could curdle gin. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2012 #14
I've been wanting to comment on this Oilwellian Oct 2012 #38
Even better than the "Libya sneer" pic Freddie Oct 2012 #46
it's the POTUS whose expression intrigues me carolinayellowdog Oct 2012 #43
This picture haunts me. He looks wicked. DawgHouse Oct 2012 #59
Imagine that face coming at you holding you down and cutting your hair. L0oniX Oct 2012 #73
I don't think it was planned. But when Romney went there - Avalux Oct 2012 #7
Planned, or at least antcipated, imo. elleng Oct 2012 #9
I'm not sure I buy the "planned" part Oilwellian Oct 2012 #11
I don't see how it could be planned ailsagirl Oct 2012 #76
I don't think so. & Maybe Crowley is like me; I'm an obssessive note taker because it makes me patrice Oct 2012 #12
She said that she assumed it would come up so she had researched Lucinda Oct 2012 #25
Didn't the President & Willard have a couple of pretty intense scraps BEFORE this question came up? patrice Oct 2012 #30
which makes azmom Oct 2012 #55
he didn't need to know facts Carolina Oct 2012 #61
A lot of folks do not realize the Pres Obama writes and/or edits all of his own speeches Tx4obama Oct 2012 #16
Or worse, he surrounds himself with people who think Obama Qutzupalotl Oct 2012 #41
For years, the Foxed nation pushed the "Obama is lost without a teleprompter" meme; till Debate 2. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2012 #69
I hope she doesn't divorce him and talk half his shit if he doesn't make her first lady. Incitatus Oct 2012 #18
If Anne establishes residency in a community property state HubertHeaver Oct 2012 #42
They have a house in Rincewind Oct 2012 #52
They have houses in several locations. They don't seem to live anywhere. HubertHeaver Oct 2012 #62
Don't miss the Focus Group comments Oilwellian Oct 2012 #20
I don't think it was planned. But Obama suddenly realized that Mitt was stepping in it and he yellowcanine Oct 2012 #24
Romney must somehow not have known that Obama had said that Enrique Oct 2012 #26
Why did Willard do it? Sticking your neck out doesn't matter when you're that rich. It's a habit ... patrice Oct 2012 #31
He's also apparently quite used to not needing authentic command of the details of anything, e.g. patrice Oct 2012 #33
I'm pretty sure "check the transcript" would've won Obama that round regardless of Crowley Hippo_Tron Oct 2012 #34
The "check the transcript" was a knock-down. He bounced back up but HubertHeaver Oct 2012 #44
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar Brother Buzz Oct 2012 #27
Great post (and LOVE THE PICS! Especially the 2nd one), but I don't see how really. Only because Grown2Hate Oct 2012 #28
Romney really blew it with his serial The Second Stone Oct 2012 #29
I imagine "check the transcript" was planned Hippo_Tron Oct 2012 #32
She seems slimey to me. flyguyjake Oct 2012 #35
The second pic is priceless Oilwellian Oct 2012 #36
Oh, and Taggy's forced smile Oilwellian Oct 2012 #37
And, then Obama said.. Cha Oct 2012 #49
LOL Oilwellian Oct 2012 #56
Of course it was planned Kennah Oct 2012 #39
LOL Oilwellian Oct 2012 #40
Romney to Ann from the picture: Suji to Seoul Oct 2012 #47
It was ju jitsu, is what it was. eShirl Oct 2012 #50
ROFL Oilwellian Oct 2012 #57
Please proceed Governor flyguyjake Oct 2012 #51
That smile for his wife is hilarious. B Calm Oct 2012 #54
I think President Obama is actually that quick and witty with responses. DawgHouse Oct 2012 #58
"Rope A Dope" ex. #154 Taverner Oct 2012 #60
What a beautiful post malaise Oct 2012 #63
BEST. DEBATE. LINE. EVER. Mme. Defarge Oct 2012 #64
I instantly thought of Doc Holiday in Tombstone tavernier Oct 2012 #65
Why Willard, you look like somebody just walked over your grave n/t DefenseLawyer Oct 2012 #72
. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #66
Who cares? It worked didn't it? nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #68
i think they had that answer ready, but Obama saw the perfect storm.... spanone Oct 2012 #70
The pieces were planned and rehearsed. Obama put them together. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2012 #71
Please proceed, Governor pleaseproceed Oct 2012 #75
Can someone PLEASE slutticus Oct 2012 #77

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
8. Oh yes it is. That look omg wonder what it is she's actually thinking in that moment.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:50 PM
Oct 2012

Despair, as the fantasy went up in flames perhaps?

politicaljack78

(312 posts)
67. Or based on her performance on the View today, perhaps her fear of
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:14 PM
Oct 2012

being dumped on. Mitt's not all there and he purportedly takes out his frustrations on his wife. This would also explain his adult son's inability to control his anger.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
15. It was that picture that got my attention
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:55 PM
Oct 2012

I've been looking for a Queen Ann shot right after the debate, all day. Mittens looks so sheepish too. LOL

glinda

(14,807 posts)
23. Seriously, does America want a First Lady that wears pink and teal? ewwwwwwwww!
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:18 AM
Oct 2012

She looks pretty (sternly) disappointed.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
48. The Look on mitt's face! Like he'd been busted
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:19 AM
Oct 2012

for something like poor Seamus when the was brought down from atop of the car and hosed down.

ann romney's going to be on The View tomorrow venting her spleen I would guess.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,705 posts)
2. Jon Stewart said it was like when the Road Runner lures Wile E. Coyote
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:43 PM
Oct 2012

into running into a door painted on a wall.



Beep, beep.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
19. I watched the clip a number of times, and when Obama says, "Proceed, Governer"
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:01 AM
Oct 2012

you can see Obama's poker face and the slightest hint of, "is he really going to do it? I think he's going to do it... that's it... push all those chips in..."

It's fascinating to watch Obama's facial expressions during that clip.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,705 posts)
5. I don't think it was necessarily planned in advance of the debate
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:48 PM
Oct 2012

but Obama clearly saw where Romney was taking things; that's when he said, "Please proceed, Governor." Romney didn't recognize that Obama had just opened a trapdoor in front of him, and he stepped right into it.

Ha.

LiberalFighter

(50,929 posts)
74. I doubt that Obama hasn't said something similar before.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:00 PM
Oct 2012

Probably wasn't as forceful or needing to push anyone.

Same words but different vocalization and purpose.

elleng

(130,912 posts)
13. Not just the eyes, imo, Tx4;
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:54 PM
Oct 2012

mouth, entire facial expression, gritting teeth, tightening lips: mad and scared.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
38. I've been wanting to comment on this
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:12 AM
Oct 2012

I saw this larger pic last night and it's one that jumps out at the viewer. It is one of the most striking photos captured throughout this campaign, and I've seen it everywhere today. I think it will haunt ole Willard til election day.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
73. Imagine that face coming at you holding you down and cutting your hair.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:39 PM
Oct 2012

I know of someone who saw the real thing.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
7. I don't think it was planned. But when Romney went there -
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:49 PM
Oct 2012

Obama let him have it. And when Romney thought he had trapped Obama, our President knew it was best to let him keep talking.

"Please proceed, governor"

Not planned, just great instinct.

elleng

(130,912 posts)
9. Planned, or at least antcipated, imo.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:50 PM
Oct 2012

rmoney had said something similar, somewhere recently, can't recall when/where, challenging someone to ask a question, and putting the person and audience on edge, as I recall.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
11. I'm not sure I buy the "planned" part
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:53 PM
Oct 2012

I've seen it bantered about today. Either way, it couldn't have turned out any better.

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
76. I don't see how it could be planned
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 12:23 AM
Oct 2012

because the President couldn't know exactly what nitt would come up with...

I loved the look in Obama's eyes when he said, "Please proceed..." He was waiting to pounce!!!

patrice

(47,992 posts)
12. I don't think so. & Maybe Crowley is like me; I'm an obssessive note taker because it makes me
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:54 PM
Oct 2012

remember facts and "act of terror" is exactly one of the sort of things I would have noted from watching that Rose Garden speech.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
25. She said that she assumed it would come up so she had researched
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:20 AM
Oct 2012

which is why she could fact check on the spot

patrice

(47,992 posts)
30. Didn't the President & Willard have a couple of pretty intense scraps BEFORE this question came up?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:47 AM
Oct 2012

In the interests of avoiding that kind of chaos, a moderator would not be out of place to resolve a point of contention by offering concrete information.

I should watch the entire debate again to check to see when the parts are where our President and Willard are talking over one another and sparring for time. Those were chaotic experiences for the audience, so it would be appropriate for a moderator to prevent that from happening again by resolving a fight with the appropriate piece of disputed factual information.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
55. which makes
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:26 PM
Oct 2012

Mitt a bigger Loser. He should have known that rose garden speech word for word. He got his ass handed to him. He knew it.
It was priceless.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
61. he didn't need to know facts
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:23 PM
Oct 2012

he just ate up all the right wing bloggery fed to him and figured he knew what he needed to know. It was supposed to be his zinger... LOL

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
16. A lot of folks do not realize the Pres Obama writes and/or edits all of his own speeches
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:57 PM
Oct 2012

so he knows what is in them.

Apparently Romney is not aware of that.



Qutzupalotl

(14,312 posts)
41. Or worse, he surrounds himself with people who think Obama
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:23 AM
Oct 2012

is an intellectual lightweight. Like Sununu.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
18. I hope she doesn't divorce him and talk half his shit if he doesn't make her first lady.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:59 PM
Oct 2012

Not really, I don't care.

HubertHeaver

(2,522 posts)
62. They have houses in several locations. They don't seem to live anywhere.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:28 PM
Oct 2012

If she votes in California, we will have an indication.

Considering that California is not a swing state, that would be advertising on a billboard. My guess, they will both vote in New Hampshire.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
24. I don't think it was planned. But Obama suddenly realized that Mitt was stepping in it and he
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:20 AM
Oct 2012

should just let him go. Clueless Mitt gobsmacked himself.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
26. Romney must somehow not have known that Obama had said that
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:26 AM
Oct 2012

why would he stick his neck out on that narrow point (which was not necessary to make his case), if he knew Obama was right on it?

Then again, if Crowley hadn't intervened, it might have worked in his favor. Which is why they are so pissed at her.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
31. Why did Willard do it? Sticking your neck out doesn't matter when you're that rich. It's a habit ...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:51 AM
Oct 2012

He's used to bulling his way through whatever because of his financial power.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
33. He's also apparently quite used to not needing authentic command of the details of anything, e.g.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:53 AM
Oct 2012

the President's Rose Garden speech about Benghazi.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
34. I'm pretty sure "check the transcript" would've won Obama that round regardless of Crowley
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:53 AM
Oct 2012

But, to use a boxing analogy, Crowley turned it from a win on points into a knockout.

HubertHeaver

(2,522 posts)
44. The "check the transcript" was a knock-down. He bounced back up but
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:34 AM
Oct 2012

Candy, the referee, gave him the mandatory 8 count.


Brother Buzz

(36,434 posts)
27. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:34 AM
Oct 2012

And my president, as smart as he is, simply allowed Romney to walk into his own trap.

He was hoisted by his own petard

Grown2Hate

(2,012 posts)
28. Great post (and LOVE THE PICS! Especially the 2nd one), but I don't see how really. Only because
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:35 AM
Oct 2012

it doesn't work quite as well without Candy doing the "on-site fact checking". And he couldn't have known she was necessarily do that.

Just incredible instincts at an incredible time. Without her doing that, it could have become just another "Yes I did" "No you didn't" type of moment. President Obama hit what GWB would have called a "trifecta": a brilliant President Obama sensing the moment, a fumbling, bumbling Mitt to step in it, and Candy to call him out on it. My favorite moment of ANY debate in HISTORY. Well, except for maybe Bush the Smarter checking his watch.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
29. Romney really blew it with his serial
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:46 AM
Oct 2012

lying. He was prepared with that exact attack, yet it was dead wrong. Do we want him and his preppers running the country? That is how things like the Iraq war get started and outing Valerie Plame.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
32. I imagine "check the transcript" was planned
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:52 AM
Oct 2012

As was the statement about the Rose garden and specifically calling it an act of terror. Please proceed Governor came from Romney beginning to say what he was about to say and then turning to the President and saying "isn't that right"? THey knew what Romney would say, but they didn't know he would ask the President (perhaps rhetorically) "isn't that right"?

 

flyguyjake

(492 posts)
35. She seems slimey to me.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:55 AM
Oct 2012

She's so fake, like a typical rich white woman that I've met many times before. She doesn't give you that "caring" or "genuine" vibe. We she said "You people" that really summed up her ugly persona.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
36. The second pic is priceless
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:03 AM
Oct 2012

I've been looking for it all day and saw it in the Daily Kos diary.

I think it was partially planned, at least something that would be discussed post debate. The video of Obama's Rose Garden speech would have been played by the media and voila, he did indeed refer to it as an act of terror. It definitely had some mileage potential. But it wouldn't have had near the impact if Candy didn't fact checked Romney in real time. And that I believe was a gift from the Gods, to the Obama team.

Willard's face is just as priceless in that second photo as Ann's. He's been a baaaad boy! LOL

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
37. Oh, and Taggy's forced smile
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:08 AM
Oct 2012

when just minutes before he was ready to storm the stage and take a swing at the President.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
56. LOL
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:05 PM
Oct 2012

I almost fell off the couch when he said that. But when Candy responded and repeated the devastating blow to Romney, I literally DID fall off the couch laughing hysterically.

Kennah

(14,266 posts)
39. Of course it was planned
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:18 AM
Oct 2012

Some on the President's team suggested the phrase, "I won't stop you from saying dumb shit, Governor", but the President wisely amended it.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
40. LOL
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:21 AM
Oct 2012

My husband's dream response from Obama would have been "Governor, I'll betcha $10,000, right here, right now."

 

Suji to Seoul

(2,035 posts)
47. Romney to Ann from the picture:
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:15 AM
Oct 2012

Sorry dear. . .I'll put my testicles back in your purse.

Ann to Romney:

I don't want them! You're disgraceful. Why can't you be like that handsome black guy, you jerk! No sex for you ever again!

 

flyguyjake

(492 posts)
51. Please proceed Governor
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:46 AM
Oct 2012

because your about to step in SOME SHIT! I'm just gonna sit back and watch it happen.

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
58. I think President Obama is actually that quick and witty with responses.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:07 PM
Oct 2012

He's smart and thinks on his feet. I don't believe "please proceed" or "read the transcript" was planned.

spanone

(135,838 posts)
70. i think they had that answer ready, but Obama saw the perfect storm....
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:35 PM
Oct 2012

he executed it beautifully ....proceed, governor

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
71. The pieces were planned and rehearsed. Obama put them together.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:07 PM
Oct 2012

It's like a chef competition. You've filleted a salmon for roasting with a raspberry sauce a dozen times in practice sessions. You show up and they put down in front of you a trout and ingredients for a lime sauce. You deal, even though you've never roasted trout with lime sauce. You beat the other chef, who is still rattling the lock on the fridge trying to get the salmon out.

They probably stopped Obama at several points in mock debates and said "Here's a great place to ease back and say 'Go right ahead'" or 'Carry on' or 'Feel free, governor'. About other issues and points.

They may have helped Obama recognize Mitt body language and mannerisms and tells.

Earlier in the exchange, Romney answering the question first, used the phrase "terrorist attack". Then when Obama responds directly to Romney, he uses the phrase "act of terror", which has a subtly different connotation, but is in fact the actual phrase Obama used in the Rose Garden press conference. Then Romney, incredulous, unconsciously and carelessly uses Obama's phrase, thinking the first phrase, and adding you said it was "not a spontaneous demonstration" (rhetorically with an implied question mark), to distinguish it from "terrorist attack", which is what he is thinking.

Obama, cool as a cucumber, remembers that he didn't deny it being a spontaneous demonstration because he didn't address the film or the demonstration in his statement that day. But more importantly, he also sees that Romney is using Obama's phrase.

So he instantly recognizes that Romney is getting caught up in half-remembered phrases and is like a quarterback with his shoe laces untied. Thus he has the presence of mind to say "Proceed".

That's what we want from a Commander-in-Chief: [font size="+1"]Presence of mind.[/font]

And then Obama stays cool and lands a precise jab to Romney with "Get the transcript". Followed by the knockout punch by joking after Crowley's fact check: "Can you say that a little louder, Candy?" This plays on the audio problems that started the debate and is evidence of extremely quick thinking by Obama.

MR. ROMNEY: Yeah, I — I certainly do. I certainly do. I — I think it's interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack, he went in the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed.

MR. ROMNEY: Is that what you're saying?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.

MR. ROMNEY: I — I — I want to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Get the transcript.

MS. CROWLEY: It — he did in fact, sir.

So let me — let me call it an act of terrorism — (inaudible) --

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy? (Laughter, applause.)

MS. CROWLEY: He did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.


Crowley vindicates Obama, while giving Romney a point about the riot. But too late for Romney, the damage is done by Obama's three hammer blows one after the other: "Proceed", "Get the transcript", and "Can you say that a little louder, Candy?"

pleaseproceed

(2 posts)
75. Please proceed, Governor
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:59 PM
Oct 2012

If this was planned, it was masterful.

Oh, and this is great as well:

www.facebook.com/pleaseproceedgovernor

IMO one of the great moments of American campaign history.

slutticus

(3,428 posts)
77. Can someone PLEASE
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:11 AM
Oct 2012

make a looped video of obama saying "please proceed governor" followed by romney's stuttering reaction??? Please? That would be pretty freakin' awesome (i would do it but i don't know how )

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