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kath

(10,565 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:48 AM Oct 2012

Question - would it have been better for Obama if Crowley HADN'T jumped in when she did during the

"Please, proceed" exchange about the Libya killings?

When hubby was discussing the "debate" with people at work today, someone thought that Crowley's chiming in might have somewhat helped Romney (as much as he could be helped at that point, lol) because given more time to "proceed" he would have dug his hole even *deeper* before Obama pounced on him.

What say ye? Any merit to this idea, or is it ridiculous?

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Question - would it have been better for Obama if Crowley HADN'T jumped in when she did during the (Original Post) kath Oct 2012 OP
he would have donco Oct 2012 #1
Do you think she was deliberately tossing him a life raft, given her RW leanings? kath Oct 2012 #3
How so? brush Oct 2012 #30
No, moderators should be able to call bullshit on verifiable facts. nt Deep13 Oct 2012 #2
No, I don't think so kurt_cagle Oct 2012 #4
+1 Lucinda Oct 2012 #6
So the moderator calling him on his bullshit in front of 65 million people was more devastating than kath Oct 2012 #8
I think so, yes. Not only did he stop dead when she corrected him, he looked lost and angry. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #14
All PrezO could have done was to have repeated elleng Oct 2012 #15
Yep, people would have just seen it as a "He said/He said" thing and not have any clue about who was Pirate Smile Oct 2012 #22
I'm going to spin this to my Rethug buddies ffr Oct 2012 #29
She could have let him go on & hurt himself even more, but her motive really was more about time patrice Oct 2012 #27
THanks krut_cagle! Cha Oct 2012 #12
A moderator should have a basic knowledge of what the facts are ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #5
No. Without Crowley fact checking it was just a he said v. he said. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2012 #7
no, and she didn't just jump in, Romney pushed her to it by pressing the point JI7 Oct 2012 #9
I found that the best part...a third party makes it a bigger hit... movonne Oct 2012 #10
Do y'all think Crowley's motivation here was for good or ill? Was she wanting to do the right thing kath Oct 2012 #11
How could it be "throwing romney a life raft" when Cha Oct 2012 #13
She wanted to affirm the fact of the matter and elleng Oct 2012 #18
precisely! patrice Oct 2012 #24
It doesn't happen unless it happens on the Teevee. Julien Sorel Oct 2012 #16
i think it turned out just fine ibegurpard Oct 2012 #17
I'm fine with how it played out. begin_within Oct 2012 #19
I'm very concerned about this. MirrorAshes Oct 2012 #20
Hey, I think it's great that Obama kicked Romney's ass last night. kath Oct 2012 #23
Crowley was also acting appropriately for a moderator, to prevent another chaotic scrap that would patrice Oct 2012 #21
Yes, I wish we could GO BACK IN TIME & FUCK WITH PERFECTION. A-Schwarzenegger Oct 2012 #25
"Nothing to see here, move along" is not useful journalism upi402 Oct 2012 #26
CNN: Why did Candy Crowley interject on Libya in debate? She wanted to 'move this along' pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #28
Obama told him to proceed, and he B Calm Oct 2012 #31
NO ... GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #32
+47% pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #33

brush

(53,784 posts)
30. How so?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:48 AM
Oct 2012

The President got her to repeat the factcheck louder, thereby drawing the spotlight on Romney's huge screw up and subsequent humiliation. How would Romney have dug the hole deeper? Please explain because without Crowley's factcheck Romney would have talked more and accused Susan Rice of trying to blame the anti-muslim video and the protest demonstration-turned-violent as the flash point for the attack on the consulate. IMO that would have left his "act of terror" lie out there with some believing it and others not until the President got a chance to try to refute it after Romney got through lyin . . . er, ah . . . speaking. I don't see how the "act of terror" lie could have been more highlighted and revealed in a more dramatic way than that. But please, give us your thoughts.

kurt_cagle

(534 posts)
4. No, I don't think so
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:52 AM
Oct 2012

When Crowley came in with her response, it served to validate what Obama had been saying, the applause at that point made Romney realized that he'd just made a fool of himself before millions of people, and it rattled him immensely. I think he was so caught up in his attack that it didn't even sink in (and took a few minutes even afterwards, since he tried to jump right back into the argument again. So, no, it rattled him immensely and through him completely off his game.

kath

(10,565 posts)
8. So the moderator calling him on his bullshit in front of 65 million people was more devastating than
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:56 AM
Oct 2012

anything Obama could have done, even if Romney had had time to dig the hole deeper?
This may well be true, just wondering what you all think...

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
14. I think so, yes. Not only did he stop dead when she corrected him, he looked lost and angry.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:02 AM
Oct 2012

So much for cool, calm, thinking on your feet, presidential material.

elleng

(130,956 posts)
15. All PrezO could have done was to have repeated
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:03 AM
Oct 2012

"Yes I did," or "Check the transcript," so it would have become a pissing contest. Neutral fact checker helped POTUS (and all of us.)

Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
22. Yep, people would have just seen it as a "He said/He said" thing and not have any clue about who was
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:13 AM
Oct 2012

right. The current time fact check helped.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
29. I'm going to spin this to my Rethug buddies
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:34 AM
Oct 2012

Fox taught them today to hate Crowley. I wonder if they'll be fooled again if I tell them the conservative leaning moderator was attempting to stave an even worse Robme train wreck.

I'm going to have so much fun phucking with their little minds.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
27. She could have let him go on & hurt himself even more, but her motive really was more about time
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:24 AM
Oct 2012

management as the debate moderator. She would have been thinking to prevent a situation such as that which occurred with Lehrer, in which not very many of the questions got into the discussion. She wanted more of the "town's people", since it was a "town hall" debate, to get their opportunity to ask their questions. Not good to let these two guys scrap to no real point of resolution, eat up time, when she could end the dispute at that point with one piece of concrete fact.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
5. A moderator should have a basic knowledge of what the facts are
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:53 AM
Oct 2012

Basically, Rmoney got confronted on his lie, and no one had to wait for the media to show up the next day and report it.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
7. No. Without Crowley fact checking it was just a he said v. he said.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:55 AM
Oct 2012

And a lot of people would have gone away assuming Romney told the truth, because very few people bother to check the facts in these things.

Real time fact checking showed Romney to be absolutely wrong in real time for everyone to see. It cast everything else he said in the debate under a shadow of doubt.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
9. no, and she didn't just jump in, Romney pushed her to it by pressing the point
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:58 AM
Oct 2012

rather than moving on .

kath

(10,565 posts)
11. Do y'all think Crowley's motivation here was for good or ill? Was she wanting to do the right thing
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:59 AM
Oct 2012

by shedding light on the truth, or throwing Romney a life raft, as a poster above put it?

elleng

(130,956 posts)
18. She wanted to affirm the fact of the matter and
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:06 AM
Oct 2012

move the discussion to the next issue, as was her job.

Julien Sorel

(6,067 posts)
16. It doesn't happen unless it happens on the Teevee.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:04 AM
Oct 2012

If Crowley doesn't say anything, it just disappears into the forest of all of Romney's other lies. It isn't like this is the only thing Romney has gotten wrong, or lied about. How many of those things are being discussed?

kath

(10,565 posts)
23. Hey, I think it's great that Obama kicked Romney's ass last night.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:15 AM
Oct 2012

I was overjoyed to read all the threads here about the MAJOR ass-kicking, and stayed up late to savor them.
So you can fucking stop calling me a concern troll.

Just putting out there the thoughts of someone who had a different take on this one particular moment in the "debate"... Especially since Crowley is virtually NEVER on our side.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
21. Crowley was also acting appropriately for a moderator, to prevent another chaotic scrap that would
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:13 AM
Oct 2012

have been difficult for the audience AND would have eaten up valuable time, time needed for QUESTIONERS to get their chance, by offering a concrete factual piece of information that resolved what could have become a stressful situation with the candidates talking over each other vying for time and not actually achieving resolution of the issue at question right then.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
26. "Nothing to see here, move along" is not useful journalism
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:18 AM
Oct 2012

She did good and didn't discredit herself as well.
You can tell because all the righties are mad as hornets and trying to spin it any way they can.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
28. CNN: Why did Candy Crowley interject on Libya in debate? She wanted to 'move this along'
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:36 AM
Oct 2012
October 17th, 2012
10:44 AM ET

...

"I was trying to move this along," Crowley says. "The question was Benghazi...there was this point they both kind of looked at me, you know, Romney's looking at me, the president is looking at me, and I wanted to move this along. Can we get back to the - so I said, he did say "acts of terror", called it an "act of terror", but Governor Romney, you were perfectly right that it took weeks for them to get past the tape."

See more in the clip...

Video here:
http://startingpoint.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/17/why-did-candy-crowley-interject-on-libya-in-debate-she-wanted-to-move-this-along/?hpt=hp_tvbx



At the 3:20 mark Crowley addresses the question of whether or not the President specifically was calling the Benghazi attack an act of terror. He was in the Rose Garden to talk about Benghazi, Crowley says, "so I don't think that's a leap."

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
31. Obama told him to proceed, and he
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:34 AM
Oct 2012

walked right off the cliff. I don't know how he could have done any worse!

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