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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuestion - would it have been better for Obama if Crowley HADN'T jumped in when she did during the
"Please, proceed" exchange about the Libya killings?
When hubby was discussing the "debate" with people at work today, someone thought that Crowley's chiming in might have somewhat helped Romney (as much as he could be helped at that point, lol) because given more time to "proceed" he would have dug his hole even *deeper* before Obama pounced on him.
What say ye? Any merit to this idea, or is it ridiculous?
donco
(1,548 posts)dug the hole he was in deeper.Crowley tossed him a life raft.
kath
(10,565 posts)The President got her to repeat the factcheck louder, thereby drawing the spotlight on Romney's huge screw up and subsequent humiliation. How would Romney have dug the hole deeper? Please explain because without Crowley's factcheck Romney would have talked more and accused Susan Rice of trying to blame the anti-muslim video and the protest demonstration-turned-violent as the flash point for the attack on the consulate. IMO that would have left his "act of terror" lie out there with some believing it and others not until the President got a chance to try to refute it after Romney got through lyin . . . er, ah . . . speaking. I don't see how the "act of terror" lie could have been more highlighted and revealed in a more dramatic way than that. But please, give us your thoughts.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)kurt_cagle
(534 posts)When Crowley came in with her response, it served to validate what Obama had been saying, the applause at that point made Romney realized that he'd just made a fool of himself before millions of people, and it rattled him immensely. I think he was so caught up in his attack that it didn't even sink in (and took a few minutes even afterwards, since he tried to jump right back into the argument again. So, no, it rattled him immensely and through him completely off his game.
kath
(10,565 posts)anything Obama could have done, even if Romney had had time to dig the hole deeper?
This may well be true, just wondering what you all think...
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)So much for cool, calm, thinking on your feet, presidential material.
elleng
(130,956 posts)"Yes I did," or "Check the transcript," so it would have become a pissing contest. Neutral fact checker helped POTUS (and all of us.)
Pirate Smile
(27,617 posts)right. The current time fact check helped.
ffr
(22,670 posts)Fox taught them today to hate Crowley. I wonder if they'll be fooled again if I tell them the conservative leaning moderator was attempting to stave an even worse Robme train wreck.
I'm going to have so much fun phucking with their little minds.
patrice
(47,992 posts)management as the debate moderator. She would have been thinking to prevent a situation such as that which occurred with Lehrer, in which not very many of the questions got into the discussion. She wanted more of the "town's people", since it was a "town hall" debate, to get their opportunity to ask their questions. Not good to let these two guys scrap to no real point of resolution, eat up time, when she could end the dispute at that point with one piece of concrete fact.
Cha
(297,275 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Basically, Rmoney got confronted on his lie, and no one had to wait for the media to show up the next day and report it.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)And a lot of people would have gone away assuming Romney told the truth, because very few people bother to check the facts in these things.
Real time fact checking showed Romney to be absolutely wrong in real time for everyone to see. It cast everything else he said in the debate under a shadow of doubt.
JI7
(89,250 posts)rather than moving on .
movonne
(9,623 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)by shedding light on the truth, or throwing Romney a life raft, as a poster above put it?
Cha
(297,275 posts)it contradicted him with FACTS?
elleng
(130,956 posts)move the discussion to the next issue, as was her job.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Julien Sorel
(6,067 posts)If Crowley doesn't say anything, it just disappears into the forest of all of Romney's other lies. It isn't like this is the only thing Romney has gotten wrong, or lied about. How many of those things are being discussed?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)and it's done and this conversation is pointless.
begin_within
(21,551 posts)MirrorAshes
(1,262 posts)Since clearly what transpired was such a let down for us.
kath
(10,565 posts)I was overjoyed to read all the threads here about the MAJOR ass-kicking, and stayed up late to savor them.
So you can fucking stop calling me a concern troll.
Just putting out there the thoughts of someone who had a different take on this one particular moment in the "debate"... Especially since Crowley is virtually NEVER on our side.
patrice
(47,992 posts)have been difficult for the audience AND would have eaten up valuable time, time needed for QUESTIONERS to get their chance, by offering a concrete factual piece of information that resolved what could have become a stressful situation with the candidates talking over each other vying for time and not actually achieving resolution of the issue at question right then.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)upi402
(16,854 posts)She did good and didn't discredit herself as well.
You can tell because all the righties are mad as hornets and trying to spin it any way they can.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)10:44 AM ET
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"I was trying to move this along," Crowley says. "The question was Benghazi...there was this point they both kind of looked at me, you know, Romney's looking at me, the president is looking at me, and I wanted to move this along. Can we get back to the - so I said, he did say "acts of terror", called it an "act of terror", but Governor Romney, you were perfectly right that it took weeks for them to get past the tape."
See more in the clip...
Video here:
http://startingpoint.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/17/why-did-candy-crowley-interject-on-libya-in-debate-she-wanted-to-move-this-along/?hpt=hp_tvbx
At the 3:20 mark Crowley addresses the question of whether or not the President specifically was calling the Benghazi attack an act of terror. He was in the Rose Garden to talk about Benghazi, Crowley says, "so I don't think that's a leap."
B Calm
(28,762 posts)walked right off the cliff. I don't know how he could have done any worse!
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Mitt was challenging Obama's Rose garden statement.