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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy only Problem with the second debate Was How Romney Tied Fast And Furious To this admistration
And POTUS didnt get the chance to set him straight . But fast and furious probably doesnt matter to voters? .
safeinOhio
(32,687 posts)Welcome to DU.
outsideworld
(601 posts)I may not post much but i have lurked here a long time . I just said i wish obama had addressed the issue .Simple .
I dislike that "thank you for your concern" stuff .
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)He tried and failed. An investigation was done.
The program was begun in 2006.
If Mitt really wants to know about Fast and Furious he
can google it. There's lots on Wikipedia.
hack89
(39,171 posts)You are thinking of Operation Wide Receiver.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)fast and furious was a continuation of something started in 2006 under Bush.
hack89
(39,171 posts)using the same techniques. But the ATF and DOJ specifically reviewed and authorized Fast and Furious in 2009- and they were working for Obama at the time so it is hard to pin this on Bush.
The strategy of targeting high-level individuals, which was already ATF policy, would be implemented by Bill Newell, special agent in charge of ATF's Phoenix field division. In order to accomplish it, the office decided to monitor suspicious firearms purchases which federal prosecutors had determined lacked sufficient evidence for prosecution, as laid out in a January 2010 briefing paper. This was said to be allowed under ATF regulations and given legal backing by U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis K. Burke. It was additionally approved and funded by a Justice Department task force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
I don't think Obama knew what was going on nor would I expect him to know. But high ranking Obama appointees in the ATF and DOJ did know - if they didn't then they were truly incompetent.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The only folks worked up about Fast and Furious are the right wing nut jobs who are desperate to generate an imaginary scandal.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Technically it could be considered foreign policy.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)"Bush started it" is not really a great talking point. When you are debating a deliberate liar who uses a scatter spray tactic, uttering multiple lies in one turn, you have to pick and choose which of the bullshit statements to go after. Trying to address all of them leaves you completely on the defensive.
hack89
(39,171 posts)fortunately you are right that it does not matter to the voters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal#2009.E2.80.932011:_Operation_Fast_and_Furious
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)...and my mailman knows all the details and blames it on Bush.
Other than that, nobody I know cares in the least about it, if they have even heard about it.
I'd say that's about the same percentage as the general population.
It's not going to do any damage to Obama...
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Mitt interjected that material in place of an actual answer to an actual question from an actual voter. That is what most viewers saw. Evasion, deflection, and a pumped up attempt to change the subject from what Mitt believes to 'let's throw more crap at Obama'. Even people who care about the so called 'Fast and Furious' story would notice that Mitt simply exploited that story as an exit from the question he was asked.
It was, in short, one of several times that night when Mitt was asked a question and simply spoke Palin style on some other subject. He did that to Crowley as well, in fact he did it only to women, and he did it to women on nearly every question he was asked by a woman.
Add to that the fact that all Americans know the GOP congress has been trying to hang scandal on Obama for 4 years without success, and voters know that if they had anything of merit, they'd already have made hay out of it. So Mitt trying to explain the details of a story most don't care about, which Congress already addressed, as a way for Mitt to avoid the questions of citizens is just not a winning tactic.
Spazito
(50,355 posts)and failed miserably as did everything else Romney tried in the second debate. He came out as an arrogant, out of touch, contemptuous LIAR.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...both of those crowds vote Republican.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)...just another desperate and failed attempt by RobMe to make something stick to the President.
What else you got?
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)He was shifting from single parents, to Fast and Furious, to a variety of topics without ever addressing the person's question. I wondered if he had gone senile.