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My only Problem with the second debate Was How Romney Tied Fast And Furious To this admistration (Original Post) outsideworld Oct 2012 OP
Thank you for your concern. safeinOhio Oct 2012 #1
firstly I am not a concern troll outsideworld Oct 2012 #14
don't be concerned. Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #2
Fast and Furious was conceived in 2009 hack89 Oct 2012 #7
I'm bad with facts, but my understanding was Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #10
Kind of sort of - it was a separate and unique operation hack89 Oct 2012 #13
thank you. I must learn to sit on my hands when I don't know what I'm talking about. Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #16
You are welcome. nt hack89 Oct 2012 #18
Was another example of Romney grasping at straws. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #3
I'm sure this has a chance to come up again in the last debate justiceischeap Oct 2012 #4
Romney told at least three lies in that utterance, Obama addressed one of them. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #5
Fast and Furious was conceived in October of 2009 hack89 Oct 2012 #6
I have an ex-cop friend who is obsessed with Fast and Furious... RevStPatrick Oct 2012 #8
I was not thrilled that it came up, but since it did the 'how' of it was perfect... Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #9
He TRIED to tie Fast and Furious to the Admin... Spazito Oct 2012 #11
The gun crowd and the anti-Mexico crowds are obsessed with it... ellisonz Oct 2012 #12
Uh...Fast and Furious is old news and has already been resolved.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #15
He didn't score points. It was truly a WTF moment ecstatic Oct 2012 #17

outsideworld

(601 posts)
14. firstly I am not a concern troll
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:51 PM
Oct 2012

I may not post much but i have lurked here a long time . I just said i wish obama had addressed the issue .Simple .

I dislike that "thank you for your concern" stuff .

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
2. don't be concerned.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:48 AM
Oct 2012

He tried and failed. An investigation was done.
The program was begun in 2006.
If Mitt really wants to know about Fast and Furious he
can google it. There's lots on Wikipedia.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
10. I'm bad with facts, but my understanding was
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:48 PM
Oct 2012

fast and furious was a continuation of something started in 2006 under Bush.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. Kind of sort of - it was a separate and unique operation
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:25 PM
Oct 2012

using the same techniques. But the ATF and DOJ specifically reviewed and authorized Fast and Furious in 2009- and they were working for Obama at the time so it is hard to pin this on Bush.

On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][34][35] Those at the meeting did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but Phoenix ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.[36].

The strategy of targeting high-level individuals, which was already ATF policy, would be implemented by Bill Newell, special agent in charge of ATF's Phoenix field division. In order to accomplish it, the office decided to monitor suspicious firearms purchases which federal prosecutors had determined lacked sufficient evidence for prosecution, as laid out in a January 2010 briefing paper. This was said to be allowed under ATF regulations and given legal backing by U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis K. Burke. It was additionally approved and funded by a Justice Department task force.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

I don't think Obama knew what was going on nor would I expect him to know. But high ranking Obama appointees in the ATF and DOJ did know - if they didn't then they were truly incompetent.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
3. Was another example of Romney grasping at straws.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:48 AM
Oct 2012

The only folks worked up about Fast and Furious are the right wing nut jobs who are desperate to generate an imaginary scandal.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
4. I'm sure this has a chance to come up again in the last debate
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:55 AM
Oct 2012

Technically it could be considered foreign policy.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
5. Romney told at least three lies in that utterance, Obama addressed one of them.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:55 AM
Oct 2012

"Bush started it" is not really a great talking point. When you are debating a deliberate liar who uses a scatter spray tactic, uttering multiple lies in one turn, you have to pick and choose which of the bullshit statements to go after. Trying to address all of them leaves you completely on the defensive.

 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
8. I have an ex-cop friend who is obsessed with Fast and Furious...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:12 AM
Oct 2012

...and my mailman knows all the details and blames it on Bush.

Other than that, nobody I know cares in the least about it, if they have even heard about it.
I'd say that's about the same percentage as the general population.
It's not going to do any damage to Obama...

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. I was not thrilled that it came up, but since it did the 'how' of it was perfect...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:22 AM
Oct 2012

Mitt interjected that material in place of an actual answer to an actual question from an actual voter. That is what most viewers saw. Evasion, deflection, and a pumped up attempt to change the subject from what Mitt believes to 'let's throw more crap at Obama'. Even people who care about the so called 'Fast and Furious' story would notice that Mitt simply exploited that story as an exit from the question he was asked.
It was, in short, one of several times that night when Mitt was asked a question and simply spoke Palin style on some other subject. He did that to Crowley as well, in fact he did it only to women, and he did it to women on nearly every question he was asked by a woman.
Add to that the fact that all Americans know the GOP congress has been trying to hang scandal on Obama for 4 years without success, and voters know that if they had anything of merit, they'd already have made hay out of it. So Mitt trying to explain the details of a story most don't care about, which Congress already addressed, as a way for Mitt to avoid the questions of citizens is just not a winning tactic.

Spazito

(50,355 posts)
11. He TRIED to tie Fast and Furious to the Admin...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:01 PM
Oct 2012

and failed miserably as did everything else Romney tried in the second debate. He came out as an arrogant, out of touch, contemptuous LIAR.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
12. The gun crowd and the anti-Mexico crowds are obsessed with it...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:24 PM
Oct 2012

...both of those crowds vote Republican.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
15. Uh...Fast and Furious is old news and has already been resolved....
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:00 PM
Oct 2012

...just another desperate and failed attempt by RobMe to make something stick to the President.

What else you got?

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
17. He didn't score points. It was truly a WTF moment
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:14 PM
Oct 2012

He was shifting from single parents, to Fast and Furious, to a variety of topics without ever addressing the person's question. I wondered if he had gone senile.

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