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AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:25 AM Oct 2012

BBC Rape Factory: The story goes international

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/world/europe/jimmy-savile-scandal-turns-the-tables-on-bbc-program.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"LONDON — The story seemed perfect for the British Broadcasting Corporation’s hard-hitting “Newsnight” program: a nationally beloved television host, it seemed, had also been a pedophile who for decades preyed on young teenagers in hospitals, in children’s homes — and in the halls of the BBC itself.

“Newsnight” found women willing to go on air to declare that the host, Jimmy Savile, who died last year, had abused them when they were young. But last December, as the segment neared completion, it was abruptly canceled by the editor in charge, who said there was not enough evidence to justify going ahead.

That decision, and the BBC’s earlier failure over four decades to investigate rumors about Mr. Savile’s behavior, is now the subject of three independent investigations. But they are just the latest and most explosive elements in a scandal that seems to widen by the hour, fed by a ferocious British tabloid press angry at the BBC’s coverage of the hacking scandal and eager, for a change, to write about misdeeds other than its own...."

Go read the whole thing

The story is disgusting. The BBC knew for literally decades that one of it's biggest stars was a rapist. But they did nothing about it because they chose to protect the brand.

This story is similar in many ways to the Penn State and Jerry Sandusky. PSU wanted to protect itself even when it had actual knowledge of the crimes. Another similarity is the predator used the facilities and connections of the organization to select his victims.

I thought that PSU football should have been shut down. I also think that the BBC should be shut down. But as a journalistic organization it will fight back, savagely, against the charges. The victims will be attacked. Anyone who opposes them will be attacked with every dirty trick they know. The BBC is fighting for their privileged place and salaries. No way they go down without a fight.



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BBC Rape Factory: The story goes international (Original Post) AngryAmish Oct 2012 OP
"I thought that PSU football should have been shut down. I also think that the BBC should be shut WinkyDink Oct 2012 #1
Nothing will happen to the BBC HipChick Oct 2012 #2
First recollection I have of Saville dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #5
It isn't just the BBC, if they shut it down they would also have to shut down Londoncalling Oct 2012 #17
the BBC should be shut down ? dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #3
Ah, the "everyone does it" excuse AngryAmish Oct 2012 #6
Apparently the Biritish royals and Prince Charles in particular were quite pally JohnyCanuck Oct 2012 #8
Not necessarily revoked dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #9
i know, assinine... dionysus Oct 2012 #7
It's worth remembering at this point.... T_i_B Oct 2012 #22
this would be a rape culture that allows this behavior. both, BBC and sandusky. nt seabeyond Oct 2012 #4
"Knighted by the queen; friend of Prince Charles; his obituaries described him as a national icon" jsr Oct 2012 #10
They have already dug up his headstone, and destroyed it.. HipChick Oct 2012 #11
That is under serious consideration Londoncalling Oct 2012 #18
What kind of friendships did he have, that everyone waited till he died before they came out with HipChick Oct 2012 #19
Only one disagreement. "PSU football should have been shut down" - it isn't the players' fault. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #12
PSU was saved for the adults and the kids are just an excuse AngryAmish Oct 2012 #13
Oh come on. The kids on the team had nothing to do with what happened. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #15
what part of "they can play at other universities" didn't you understand? frylock Oct 2012 #21
And the same, presumably, goes for the BBC muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #14
Yeah, I heard about that. Same basic deal. One bad apple... HopeHoops Oct 2012 #16
They was always rumours Londoncalling Oct 2012 #20
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
1. "I thought that PSU football should have been shut down. I also think that the BBC should be shut
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:31 AM
Oct 2012

down."

Do you think the Boy Scouts, the Catholic Church (among other religious organizations), the White House (I remind you of the Franklin Scandal cover-up), and the music industry (Jimmy Page cavorted with a 14-yr-old; then there was Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis) should also "be shut down"?

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
2. Nothing will happen to the BBC
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:32 AM
Oct 2012

They might have to pay out some big fines

I grew up on Jimmy Saville,Les Dawson, Freddie Star...all that era, they were all beloved untouchables..

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
5. First recollection I have of Saville
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:42 AM
Oct 2012

was of him compering the rock & roll circuit with Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent , Marty Wilde etc late 50's. It was the singers who would've been the attraction for the girls and I'm guessing he took advantage of that.

Yesterdays one , Uncle so and so . was even worse in my opinion with little boys and I don't know what to make of Harold's dad being added today.

Londoncalling

(66 posts)
17. It isn't just the BBC, if they shut it down they would also have to shut down
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:00 PM
Oct 2012

Stoke Mandeville Hospital, Leeds General Hospital and Broadmoor because he abused children habitually in those places too and
people seem to have known about it too and not been able to do anything about it...He demanded to have is coffin filled with concrete when he was buried, he must have known this would explode once he had died...
He was a huge star but so few people could stand him, they always found him creepy but the sheer scale of what he
has done has shocked everyone. The BBC has questions to answer but would hate to see it brought down and don't think that would happen because of one evil man.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
3. the BBC should be shut down ?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:32 AM
Oct 2012

The same could have been said in the past of Hollywood from the '30s through to '60's.

The chances of the BBC being shut down is nil. Its the UK's national station which operates under a Royal Charter.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
6. Ah, the "everyone does it" excuse
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:52 AM
Oct 2012

I happen to agree with you that the chances of it being shut down are nil. They are too big, too powerful, too entitled and too many powerful people depend on the BBC both for flattering coverage and financial support. So it is not going anywhere.

But if it exists under a Royal Charter (and why that should be respected is another story) then a Royal can revoke that Charter, no?

JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
8. Apparently the Biritish royals and Prince Charles in particular were quite pally
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:19 AM
Oct 2012

with paedophile Sir Jimmy Savile OBE. Of course the royals along with their staff and advisers had absolutely no idea the man was such a pervert and scoundrel, I am sure. Although, since his "eccentricities" appear to have been so widely known or at least suspected one does wonder how it came about that no one tipped off their royal highnesses that it might be wise to put some distance between themselves and the BBC's pervert in chief, Sir Jimmy.

Jimmy Savile - Pedophile, Friend of Royalty - and the Cover-up to Pervert Justice

At the time of Savile’s funeral, the UK Press from the leftwing Guardian to the rightwing Telegraph had eulogised Savile as “a lovely man”, “a national institution”, an “adornment to British public life”, “a friend of royalty and prime ministers” and that “he acted as an unofficial advisor to Prince Charles for several years”. Indeed it was reported that Prince Charles had “lead the tributes to this TV legend”.

SNIP

Sir Jimmy Savile’s extraordinary relationships went indeed into the highest levels of the UK Power Elite. Some of these close relationships have already been described in this article, but there is far more to them than that. Savile was for years a regular guest of Margaret Thatcher at her official country house when she was Prime Minister.

Savile was close to Royalty, as well, and a frequent visitor to Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace and Highgrove (Prince Charles’ estate). Indeed Prince Charles had visited Savile at Savile’s retreat in Glencoe, Scotland. There was even a Christmas card in which the Prince wrote “Jimmy, with affectionate greetings from Charles. Give my love to your ladies in Scotland”.

The Daily Mail reported in 2011 that Savile had “been used as an intermediary in an attempt to resolve the differences” between Charles and Diana. Indeed the late Princess Diana described Savile as a “sort of mentor to Charles”.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/17/1146091/-Jimmy-Savile-Pedophile-Friend-of-Royalty-and-the-Cover-up-to-Pervert-Justice

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
9. Not necessarily revoked
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:20 AM
Oct 2012

but maybe not renewed although I would doubt that - cost of replacing it would be too high. Needs a good clean up job and some type of chaperones for youngsters.

The BBC operates under a Royal Charter,[7] with the current Charter having come into effect on 1 January 2007 and running until 31 December 2016.[35] The Royal Charter is reviewed every 10 years.

The 2007 Charter specifies that the mission of the Corporation is to "inform, educate and entertain". It states that the Corporation exists to serve the public interest and to promote its public purposes: sustaining citizenship and civil society, promoting education and learning, stimulating creativity and cultural excellence, representing the UK, its nations, regions and communities, bringing the UK to the world and the world to the UK, helping to deliver to the public the benefit of emerging communications technologies and services, and taking a leading role in the switchover to digital television.

This Charter also created the largest change in the governance of the Corporation since its inception. It abolished the sometimes controversial governing body, the Board of Governors, and replaced it with the BBC Trust and a formalised Executive Board.

Under the Royal Charter, the BBC must obtain a licence from the Home Secretary.[8] This licence is accompanied by an agreement which sets the terms and conditions under which BBC is allowed to broadcast.[8] It was under this Licence and Agreement (and the Broadcasting Act 1981) that the Sinn Féin broadcast ban from 1988 to 1994 was implemented.[36][37]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC

T_i_B

(14,738 posts)
22. It's worth remembering at this point....
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:59 AM
Oct 2012

....that the British right wing loathe the BBC as a government organization that competes directly with commercial broadcasters such as Rupert Murdoch's Sky.

The Savile witch hunt is focusing on the BBC, who haven't done themselves any favours over this story if I'm honest. However, you have to ask why the British press never exposed him while he was alive.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
10. "Knighted by the queen; friend of Prince Charles; his obituaries described him as a national icon"
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:25 AM
Oct 2012

Maybe they should dig him up and throw him in the trash.

Londoncalling

(66 posts)
18. That is under serious consideration
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:05 PM
Oct 2012

due to the fact that they don't want the cementary disrupted for other mourners...
As I said above he was sealed in concrete at his request...As for his "friendships" with royalty and The
Thatchers, he didn't have friends apart from a few serial killers in Broadmoor such as Peter Sutcliffe and The Krays.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
19. What kind of friendships did he have, that everyone waited till he died before they came out with
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:08 PM
Oct 2012

the information

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
12. Only one disagreement. "PSU football should have been shut down" - it isn't the players' fault.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:13 AM
Oct 2012

It's just not fair to punish the kids who are on the team for the misdeeds of those in charge. It simply isn't.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
13. PSU was saved for the adults and the kids are just an excuse
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:54 AM
Oct 2012

If the kids are good enough to play at PSU they can get another scholarship somewhere else.

PSU football was saved because it funded every other sport at Penn State. The money does not go to the kids, it goes to the Vollyball coach, the hockey coach, the secretaries, the guy who cuts the lawn and all that. If they killed the golden goose then all that is gone.

I think killing the football program would do a few things. First and foremost, it might help to make a point that you shouldn't help to rape children. Second, it would encourage other universities not to make foootball an all consuming goal and run over the educational mission of the university.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
15. Oh come on. The kids on the team had nothing to do with what happened.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:19 PM
Oct 2012

I'm not a sports fan by any means, but what happened was before ANY of the current members joined the team. They shouldn't be punished for what some slime ball coach did.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
21. what part of "they can play at other universities" didn't you understand?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:13 PM
Oct 2012

what about the kids at SMU? how about the kids at USC whose parents didn't get homes or cars? what about Jerry Sandusky's family? why are they being punished? are you beginning to see what a slippery slope this is?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,318 posts)
14. And the same, presumably, goes for the BBC
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:06 PM
Oct 2012

because those who knew the rumours were still a small minority (and, for that matter, are joined by people in the rest of the media who had heard the rumours too).

Londoncalling

(66 posts)
20. They was always rumours
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:12 PM
Oct 2012

but it was always on the conspiracy pages and therefore hard to take seriously along with David Ike...
It seemed to be one of those things that single, men that are eccentric attract..along with the rumours
Savile was a secretly gay...Nobody could have imaged the scale of what he had done...It is terrible for the
charities who have carried his name, including a care home near to me. They have been there for decades and suddenly the
sign has gone and they are tainted.

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