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LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:13 AM Oct 2012

There should be a law that says employers cannot blackmail people into voting a certain candidate

black·mail/ˈblakˌmāl/Noun: The action, treated as a criminal offense, of demanding money from a person in return for not revealing compromising or injurious...

Verb: Demand money from (a person) in return for not revealing compromising or injurious information: "trying to blackmail him for $400,000".

Synonyms: noun. extortion - chantage - shakedown - racket - racketeering
verb. extort


When a business owner or CEO or someone who has seniority and power over another threatens to FIRE people if they don't vote the way you want them to vote - that's called blackmail. Sure this person of power isn't demanding money or a ransom. But I think threat of income loss is on the same level as demanding payment.

I have no problem with these people reminding their employees to vote. I don't even have an issue if they support one candidate over another and share that with others.

But I have a serious issue when that person who is in power threatens people with loss of job should one candidate win over another or if they vote for one candidate over another.

In the end voting is a private matter - hence why they put curtains around the voting box so people can't see how you are voting.

But these threats by definition are BLACKMAIL and those making them should be treated as criminals and face penalties for doing so.
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LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
2. It is but since money is involved I had placed it under blackmail
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:15 AM
Oct 2012

ie: You want to keep your $45k/year job you better hope Romney wins else I'm firing your ass.

 

porphyrian

(18,530 posts)
3. I think there are laws, but the people doing this are skirting them on the definition of threat...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:17 AM
Oct 2012

...if I understand what others are saying about it. The right attorney(s) may be able to stick it to them anyway.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
4. My company gives everyone a hour off on election day to vote.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:18 AM
Oct 2012

One year, a senior VP suggested that everyone vote for W since he was better for business. Everyone laughed at him.

We usually encourage everyone to vote yes for the local bond referendums to fund schools, parks, libraries, govt buildings, etc since that creates more work for us. Of course, we aren't blackmailing anyone and would have no way of knowing how anyone voted.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
15. I know PA and DE have something similiar
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:55 AM
Oct 2012

although it's not well promoted.

Also in Pennsylvania bars are not allowed to serve alcohol until after the polls closed because god forbid we get drunk and vote

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
6. There are, but it varies by state
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:20 AM
Oct 2012

In any case, it's ineffective unless we lose the secret ballot.

I've had bosses who favored Republicans. I've lied to them with a smile on my face. Some people don't deserve the truth and bullies are first in line.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
14. I'm not sure I agree with you on that...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:54 AM
Oct 2012

... The secret ballot helps only when the employee is a committed democrat or is sufficiently principled to resist the coercion. This tactic is not designed to influence them. It is designed to influence a wishy-washy voter is is genuinely afraid that he/she will lose their job if the "wrong" candidate wins the election. They might vote with their fears, or not vote at all, and that is what the strategy intends.

Its insidious. However, one of my conservative friends pointed out that its not much different from a teacher's union encouraging members to vote democrat. In fact, I encourage my employees and partners to vote democrat because republican desires to implement "tort reform" are bad for our business and thus threaten our jobs. So maybe I have no reason to gripe about this.

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
7. Can't be blackmail as long as voting is a private matter, the secret ballot...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:22 AM
Oct 2012

but harassment, possibly.

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
8. I think this is just petulant intimidation
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:35 AM
Oct 2012

I'm not convinced (yet) that there can be much fallout fom it.

What you do in the voting booth is YOUR business - and no one else's. Not your friends. Not your family. Not your wife/husband/partner. Not your employer. No one! It's private.

Unless your employer demands to see your market ballot and to know how you voted -- THEY DON'T KNOW. And that means you can vote how YOU want to vote. If your employer asks, tell them what they want to hear and leave it at that.

Who you voted for is none of anyone else's business, anyway. This is personal, private information.

Your employer cannot find out who you voted for without going to court to get the record of your vote -- your completed ballot. I've never heard of anyone doing that, for one thing. And for another, ballots do not have identifying info on them ie: name.

I suppose in some cases, employers could look up your voter registration and just fire all Dems - but I'd think it would hurt THEM to do that since they'd have to get rid of probably half of their workforce. Turnover costs money no matter what the reason.

There is a limit to the damage that can be done by these petulant threats to employees about who they should vote for (threats put out on the suggestion of Mitt Romney, we've learned).

This is nothing but another voter intimidation tactic. Don't fall for it, folks. They cannot stop you from voting and they cannot stop you from voting for whoever YOU want to vote for and they cannot find out who you voted for - not without a lot of trouble and expense - if at all.

So VOTE and vote the way YOU want. Because the only person who knows how you voted is YOU.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
13. I don't think bosses should be telling any employee how they ought to vote.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:47 AM
Oct 2012

They *know* employees aren't in a position to disagree, so what is the point. It's not an opening to dialogue - it's a one-way conversation. It's dictatorial. It's designed to make life miserable for employees who disagree. The boss may as well send out e-mails telling everyone what religion to believe, that it will make them better workers.

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