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MindMover

(5,016 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:48 PM Oct 2012

It is a fiscal cliff because Republicans want a Thelma solution ...

CEOs to Washington: Focus on Fiscal Cliff

A growing number of chief executives are – cautiously – telling the White House and Congress to more urgently address looming spending cuts and tax increases that are set to begin in January.

The latest overture came Thursday, when 15 chief executives from the country’s largest banks and insurance companies sent a letter to the White House and Congress calling for a bipartisan deal “to avoid the approaching ‘fiscal cliff.’”

The fiscal cliff is the inside-the-beltway name for the combination of the expiring Bush-era tax cuts and the large spending cuts that are scheduled to begin in January. Many economists have warned that if Congress doesn’t act, the impact of the fiscal changes could push the country back into a recession.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/10/18/ceos-to-washington-focus-on-fiscal-cliff/
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It is a fiscal cliff because Republicans want a Thelma solution ... (Original Post) MindMover Oct 2012 OP
Is there a list of the proposed cuts? I have googled it, but can't find anything. n/t patricia92243 Oct 2012 #1
Here ... MindMover Oct 2012 #2
Thank You. MrYikes Oct 2012 #3
Thanks!! n/t patricia92243 Oct 2012 #4
Nothing happens till the election maxsolomon Oct 2012 #5
fuck those liars. there is no 'fiscal cliff'. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #6
I wonder why MSNBC is contributing to the fiscal cliff hype ... ? MindMover Oct 2012 #7
because the owners want to promote the crisis meme and confuse people with misleading and HiPointDem Oct 2012 #8

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
5. Nothing happens till the election
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:37 PM
Oct 2012

The lame duck session MAY produce a compromise if Boner can control the Teabags. But it won't be pretty.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
6. fuck those liars. there is no 'fiscal cliff'.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:44 PM
Oct 2012

The NYT has a nice piece pointing out that the notion of a "fiscal cliff" hitting the country at the end of the year is fundamentally wrong. The immediate impact of leaving the scheduled tax increases and spending cuts in place through the end of the year will be almost zero. As the piece points out, the dire projections of sharply slower growth or even a recession are not based on letting the December 31 deadline pass, but rather leaving the higher taxes and lower spending in place for the whole year. If Congress and the president were to reach an agreement in January or even February, the impact on the economy would be limited.

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-fiscal-cliff-doesnt-live-up-to-the-hype


First and foremost the problem is that it is not accurate. It also helps push the Republican agenda on budget policy.

The reason that it is not accurate is that there is no cliff. Contrary to the image conveyed by the metaphor, pretty much nothing happens on January 1, 2013 if there is no budget deal in place. We will all be on a higher tax withholding schedule and in principle the government should be spending at a slower pace, but these effects will be virtually invisible on January 1. In fact, they will just barely be visible even if we go the whole month of January without a deal.

The tales of sharply slower growth and even a recession are based on Congress and the president going a whole year without a deal. At that point the economy will certainly feel the effects of higher with-holdings and slower spending, but that is not what happens from failing to reach a deal by January 1. (Here is a somewhat fuller discussion.)


This matters a great deal in the current context because the Republicans would very much like to force a deal before the end of the year when the immediate issue is raising taxes or not for various segments of the population. After January 1, the Bush tax cuts will have expired. At that point, the question will be who gets a tax cut. This would be a far more advantageous position for President Obama to negotiate from, assuming that he does win the election.

For this reason, wrongly implying an urgency to getting a deal before January 1 frames the debate on terms that are very advantageous to the Republicans in Congress. NPR should go back into the files and dig up a better headline for this series.

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/fiscal-cliff-notes-have-no-place-on-npr



MindMover

(5,016 posts)
7. I wonder why MSNBC is contributing to the fiscal cliff hype ... ?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:52 PM
Oct 2012

The Alex Wagner show this AM was all about this topic...

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
8. because the owners want to promote the crisis meme and confuse people with misleading and
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:08 PM
Oct 2012

contradictory information?

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