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Raven

(13,891 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:17 PM Oct 2012

Please help me with a response to this:

from a RW friend:

"While I don't agree with the security provided to the personal in Libya,I realize that is not the president's fault. He delegates, he doesn't have time to micro manage every detail in the federal government. However, when the call went out begging for help with two way communication for 6 hours, the president did nothing. As you know, only the "commander in chief" can order the military into a foriegn country to provide help of any kind. A super sonic ground level fly over of 10 F-16s, which were available 15 minutes away (from either of the 2 carrier groups we have stationed there), would have scared the living crap out of the theorist and bought time to help those guys. Can you imagine being in that situation for 6 hrs., knowing that you are going to die without help and no one even responds. By the way, there were 3 other attacks on the same day (9/11). So to say that the president didn't know is either bull shit or the worst break down in communication I can imagine ie. the U.S. was being attacked!. Either way it is unconscionable. I am prior service and I know that this is not the way it is designed to work. When we serve we have to trust that the commander in chief will make ever effort to protect us. And when things do go wrong that help will be on its way ASAP. Again, the president did nothing! I trusted him with my vote once- never again.. ---- "

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joycejnr

(326 posts)
1. It's not worth answering...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:22 PM
Oct 2012

...his statements reek of right-wing memes and anyone who gets their info spoon-fed from Limbaugh & Co. won't listen to reason or evidence anyway.

Right-wingers are genetically unable to accept anything that deviates from their own screwed up world.

Raven

(13,891 posts)
17. Unfortunately, he's the asshole husband
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:44 PM
Oct 2012

of a very dear friend of mine and he kind of comes with the package.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
3. It's like these RWers are more mad at Obama than they are of the terrorists who killed.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:25 PM
Oct 2012

Yet on 9/11/01 not a single one of them dared to blame Bush...And that didn't happen half-way around the planet, that happened HERE in the USA, and AFTER months of intel briefing. Btw, that's not at all how the Libya timeline went.

democrat_patriot

(2,774 posts)
5. Sorry, we can't just fly into another countries airspace.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:29 PM
Oct 2012

It just doesn't happen that way. There are very very strict rules in place. Even when personnel are in harms way.

And the whole "I trusted him with my vote once- never again.. ---- " is bullshit. Guaranteed he voted for Bush after 9/11.

And he doesn't think the Republicans that cut the security budget have any blame?

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
6. America does not do everthing alone, we have allies
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:30 PM
Oct 2012

We had allies engaged in a fire fight trying to protect the Americans and yes four Americans died but over a hundred were saved because of our Libyan allies....

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
8. But Obama should have been there
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:42 PM
Oct 2012

At the embassy himself. Just like he should have been there when Osama was killed. Geesh! Obama can't do anything right.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
9. Your friend is a theorist? He has theories about how the world works
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:50 PM
Oct 2012

and thinks that some kind of Blue Angels performance would have "scared the living crap out of the theorist" (!)

Romney: It took 5 weeks for your RW friend to call this an act of theory!

A response to that mess is to send him some coffee.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
10. F-16s are not carrier planes. F-18s are carrier
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:56 PM
Oct 2012

planes. The rest is about the same level of no nothing bull shit talking points.
You can't drop bombs on a handfull of terrorists without killing everyone else around.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
11. What can you say to such an obvious expert in fighting the war on 'theorists'?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:58 PM
Oct 2012

If only we'd known before how effective a non-lethal flyover can be, we could have saved a bundle on ordnance.

jorno67

(1,986 posts)
13. Start here:
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:02 PM
Oct 2012

Personal - adj -
1.of, pertaining to, or coming as from a particular person; individual; private: a personal opinion.
2.relating to, directed to, or intended for a particular person: a personal favor; one's personal life; a letter marked “Personal.”
3.intended for use by one person: a personal car.
4.referring or directed to a particular person in a disparaging or offensive sense or manner, usually involving character, behavior, appearance, etc.: personal remarks.
5.making personal remarks or attacks: to become personal in a dispute.

Personnel - noun -
1
a : a body of persons usually employed (as in a factory or organization)
b personnel plural : persons
2: a division of an organization concerned with personnel

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
14. Where is he getting this nonsense?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:20 PM
Oct 2012

o The ambassador was killed at the start of the fight, not after 6 hours.
o Libyan troops joined the ex-Navy SEALS an hour into the fight, not after 6 hours.
o US reinforcements joined the ex-Navy SEALS before they were killed.
o The ex-Navy SEALS were killed as part of a much larger force. They weren’t overrun by a mob. They were killed as soldiers in a battle.
o If they did not run at the sight of all these forces arrayed against them, what makes him think they would run at the site of jets?
o How would jets even target the right people?

MacArthur tried using Navy/Marine pilots in place of artillery in the Philippines. It was a disaster until they added Marine Corps spotters to the Army ground forces. If they haven’t trained together, these things are not very simple.


tjwash

(8,219 posts)
15. I've trimmed my facebook friends list quite a bit in the last 2 months
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:24 PM
Oct 2012

I am much happier that I did it as well

PD Turk

(1,289 posts)
18. 2 things come to mind
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:50 PM
Oct 2012

1. If he's prior service he should know that F-16s are not carrier planes and...

2. If they tried to fly at ground level they would crash

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