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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:40 PM Oct 2012

Judge rules for cheerleaders in Bible banner suit

Judge rules for cheerleaders in Bible banner suit


AUSTIN, Texas A judge stopped an East Texas school district on Thursday from barring cheerleaders from quoting biblical scripture on banners at high school football games, saying the policy appears to violate their free speech rights.

District Judge Steve Thomas granted an injunction requested by the Kountze High School cheerleaders allowing them to continue displaying religious-themed banners pending the outcome of a lawsuit set to go to trial next June 24, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said. Thomas previously granted a temporary restraining order allowing the practice to continue.

School officials barred the cheerleaders from displaying banners with religious messages such as, "If God is for us, who can be against us," after the Freedom From Religion Foundation complained. The advocacy group says the messages violate the First Amendment clause barring the government - or a publicly funded school district, in this case - from establishing or endorsing a religion.

Republican Gov. Rick Perry and Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott spoke out in support of the cheerleaders on Wednesday. Perry appointed Thomas to fill a vacancy on the 356th District Court, and he is running for election to continue in the post as a Republican.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/10/18/3605889/judge-rules-for-cheerleaders-in.html#storylink=cpy

Well, it is not the school making the signs, it is the students.

I don't want to read any damned signs until we have a global meta room and juries to help block out words I don't like....

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Judge rules for cheerleaders in Bible banner suit (Original Post) The Straight Story Oct 2012 OP
Can they have banners saying "Hail Satan" or endorsing Jihad? cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #1
In Texas atreides1 Oct 2012 #4
i don't get why this point is so difficult for people. FedUpWithIt All Oct 2012 #15
Yes, God is now opening a bottle of champagne lalalu Oct 2012 #2
Correctly decided dems_rightnow Oct 2012 #3
Yep. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2012 #8
I wonder how far a couple of atheist cheerleaders hifiguy Oct 2012 #5
If atheists don't get equal treatment and take it to court, sadbear Oct 2012 #19
this is disgusting..... pathetic.. the christian taliban strikes again. bowens43 Oct 2012 #6
oh the hyperbole leftyohiolib Oct 2012 #7
Well how about xtian Hezbollah (Army of God)? GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #11
THE HYPERBOLE .. IT BURNS!!!! leftyohiolib Oct 2012 #12
You somehow seem to think that these people aren't serious about a theocracy. GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #22
i think refering to these cheerleaders as jihadists is hyperbole leftyohiolib Oct 2012 #29
Alrighty then - JIT's Jihadist's in training. GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #30
Those pesky amendments. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2012 #9
minors on school property or at school events don't have the same rights Mosby Oct 2012 #13
Morse doesn't apply dems_rightnow Oct 2012 #17
That one has to do with illegal drugs, doesn't it? sadbear Oct 2012 #18
yeah, "bong hits 4 jesus" Mosby Oct 2012 #20
The banner in this case isn't advocating something illegal Posteritatis Oct 2012 #28
what do you make of this case: Mosby Oct 2012 #34
they're a double-edge sword sometimes aint they leftyohiolib Oct 2012 #14
Yeah, totally. Marinedem Oct 2012 #10
It's Texas. And football. And religion. Not one surprise here. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #16
Well, I think the ruling was correct, but that the banners are incredibly arrogant and unchristian. yewberry Oct 2012 #21
I would like to apply the "No True Scotsman" rule, GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #23
+1 arely staircase Oct 2012 #31
Disgree with the ruling, and bet it will be overturned obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #24
I think so,too. sadbear Oct 2012 #25
Hopefully it will Pithlet Oct 2012 #26
god, yortsed snacilbuper Oct 2012 #27
This WILL be over-turned. These cheerleaders represent their PUBLIC school. It is no different WinkyDink Oct 2012 #32
Whew! God was getting worried He was going to have to support another team. tanyev Oct 2012 #33

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
1. Can they have banners saying "Hail Satan" or endorsing Jihad?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:42 PM
Oct 2012

Just curious how far these cheerleaders 1st amendment rights to religious expression extend.

FedUpWithIt All

(4,442 posts)
15. i don't get why this point is so difficult for people.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:17 PM
Oct 2012

Freedom for some is not the same as freedom for ALL.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
5. I wonder how far a couple of atheist cheerleaders
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:45 PM
Oct 2012

would get if the shoe was on the other foot. They'd probably be lucky if someone didn't take a shot at them, literally.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
19. If atheists don't get equal treatment and take it to court,
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:23 PM
Oct 2012

they'll eventually throw it out. They'd rather no one have free speech rights than allow atheists to have any.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
22. You somehow seem to think that these people aren't serious about a theocracy.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:27 PM
Oct 2012

Well, "The Handmaiden's Tale" could well come true if the Dominionists get a shot at power.

Time to call these theocratic crazies out and keep them away from elected office and the public sphere as much as possible.

Mosby

(16,315 posts)
13. minors on school property or at school events don't have the same rights
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:15 PM
Oct 2012

Morse vs. Frederick. 2007


dems_rightnow

(1,956 posts)
17. Morse doesn't apply
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:20 PM
Oct 2012

The SC was really clear on that. And in Morse, the speech was promoting an illegal activity, which was partially the reason for the ruling.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
28. The banner in this case isn't advocating something illegal
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:31 PM
Oct 2012

Its ruling was quite specific and I don't see it applying here.

Mosby

(16,315 posts)
34. what do you make of this case:
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:52 PM
Oct 2012

Boroff v. Van Wert City Board of Education, 240 F.3d 465 (6th Cir. 2000)

Facts:
A high school student wore a t-shirt to school bearing the name of the shock rocker Marilyn Manson. The shirt depicted a three-faced Jesus, bearing the words "See No Truth. Hear No Truth. Speak No Truth." On the back, the shirt contained the word "BELIEVE" with the letters "LIE" highlighted.

A school official told the student that the T-shirt violated the school’s dress code policy, which prohibited "clothing with offensive illustrations." The school official ordered the student to either turn the shirt inside out or leave school. The student left and returned the next day with another Marilyn Manson t-shirt. He was again sent home. The student sued, claiming a violation of his First Amendment rights. A federal district court dismissed the suit. The student appealed to the Sixth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Issue:
Whether school officials can prohibit a student from wearing t-shirts with offensive messages.

Holding:
In a 2-1 vote, a Sixth Circuit panel ruled that school officials may prohibit students from wearing clothing that is vulgar or offensive.

Reasoning:
The majority quoted the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Fraser: "It is a highly appropriate function of public school education to prohibit the use of vulgar and offensive terms in public discourse." In addition, the court ruled that the school could prohibit student clothing which is "patently contrary to the school’s educational mission."

Majority:
"The standard for reviewing the suppression of vulgar or plainly offensive speech is governed by Fraser." (Judge Harry W. Wellford)

Dissent:
The dissenting judge argued that school officials cannot forbid students from wearing t-shirts simply because they disagree with the shirt’s message. "In sum, the Supreme Court's First Amendment jurisprudence prohibits school officials from telling a student that he cannot wear a particular T-shirt simply because they perceive that the T-shirt is communicating a message with which they disagree." (Judge Ronald Lee Gilman)

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Seems like a pretty clear cut decision to me, the judicial system does not accept the notion that the first amend applies to everyone, including high school kids.

 

Marinedem

(373 posts)
10. Yeah, totally.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:12 PM
Oct 2012

The part where the cheerleaders went to the local LGBT gathering and threw acid in peoples faces was really awful.


Hyperbole is counterproductive. It trivializes real issues and makes you look silly.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
21. Well, I think the ruling was correct, but that the banners are incredibly arrogant and unchristian.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:26 PM
Oct 2012

"If God is for us, who can be against us"? Really?

How is that different than, "God loves us more than you"? What a shitty message for people who claim to be Christian to send.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
31. +1
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:51 PM
Oct 2012

on all points. if they aren't using my tax dollars to promote religion (and as a teacher I am almost certain the kids and parents paid for the materials) then i don't give two sh*ts what they put on their banners. as a christian i find them tacky.

obamanut2012

(26,077 posts)
24. Disgree with the ruling, and bet it will be overturned
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:36 PM
Oct 2012

It wasn't just random students doing it, but students who are part of a school-sanctioned activity at a school-sanctioned sports function. A PUBLIC school.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
25. I think so,too.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:38 PM
Oct 2012

This ruling opens the door for minority groups to do the same thing. There's no way they're having that.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
32. This WILL be over-turned. These cheerleaders represent their PUBLIC school. It is no different
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:53 PM
Oct 2012

from if the marching band spelled out "Allah is Great!" at half-time; if the basketball team began the game with a prayer circle; or, to go back to MY elementary-school days, if students read a passage from the Bible every morning.

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