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NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts) Thu Jan 12, 2012, 07:25 AM Jan 2012

Frank Luntz urged Republicans to substitute “climate change” for “global warming”

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/01/11/capitalism-is-verboten-gop-pollster/

“Capitalism” is verboten — GOP pollster

Use of the term “Capitalism” is not healthy to conservatives and the term should be “removed” from Republicans’ vocabulary, according to GOP pollster and master spin doctor Frank Luntz.

Luntz, who spun universal coverage into “government-run health care,” said on Fox News that right-think politicians need to start using alternative, more effective phrases at once. snip

He urged Republicans to substitute “climate change” for “global warming”, and helped get Fox News to order use of the phrase “government-run health care” during Congress’ 2010 debate over health care reform.

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Frank Luntz urged Republicans to substitute “climate change” for “global warming” (Original Post) NNN0LHI Jan 2012 OP

Then we need to use global warming and capitalism over and over and over again. Orlandodem Jan 2012 #1

I have been told a hundred times by posters here at DU not to use "global warming" NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #2

I think "destabilization" is better than either "change" or "warming" eShirl Jan 2012 #3

I will start using your term from now on lunatica Jan 2012 #8

Do you really know? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #4

I never said said that no one ever used it did I? NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #5

You said: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #6

I didn't think you were going to understand the difference NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #7

Try explaining it then - you might be able to justify your thread muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #9

Orlandodem

(1,115 posts)

1. Then we need to use global warming and capitalism over and over and over again.

Reply to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 07:31 AM

Jan 2012

Don't let them define the rules of the game with changes in lexicon.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)

2. I have been told a hundred times by posters here at DU not to use "global warming"

Reply to Orlandodem (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 07:41 AM

Jan 2012

Always wondered where the "climate change", BS came from.

Now I do.

Don

eShirl

(18,493 posts)

3. I think "destabilization" is better than either "change" or "warming"

Reply to NNN0LHI (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 07:52 AM

Jan 2012

both "change" and "warming" sound too nice & cozy
"destabilization" at least conveys the sense that everything is NOT going to be fine

lunatica

(53,410 posts)

8. I will start using your term from now on

Reply to eShirl (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 08:48 AM

Jan 2012

I'll try to be consistent about saying "Destabilizing climate change" which is a huge improvement as far as getting the message out in as few words as possible. Like a simple soundbite it gets the idea across.

thanks!

People like you are the reason I come to DU. Sounds poetic don't you think?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)

4. Do you really know?

Reply to NNN0LHI (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 08:07 AM

Jan 2012

Remember, the Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change was founded in 1988, when Luntz was 26. Do you think he already had control of the United Nations committees then?

James Hansen published a paper "Global mean sea level: Indicator of climate change?" back in 1983: http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ha07210t.html

'Climate change' has been used by the scientists for decades; and since it covers the effects beyond simple warming (change in rainfall, hurricane frequency, etc.), it's a useful phrase.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)

5. I never said said that no one ever used it did I?

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 08:14 AM

Jan 2012

So I am not sure why you would become defensive about it and start posting links?

This was a political decision to avoid using warming rather than change, that had been ran through focus groups to see what works best for Republican politicians.

Just like he is telling them not to use capitalism now because it doesn't help the GOP to do so.

Can you understand this difference?

Don

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)

6. You said:

Reply to NNN0LHI (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 08:37 AM

Jan 2012

"Always wondered where the "climate change", BS came from. Now I do. " after your personal revelation that Luntz recommended its use. You gave no indication whatsoever that 'climate change' was an established scientific phrase. You, instead, called it 'BS'. 'Climate change' is not a 'BS' phrase. Hansen is still using it.

I post links because it's worth backing up what I say. If you attack scientific terminology as 'BS', then someone needs to defend it from your mischaracterisation.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)

7. I didn't think you were going to understand the difference

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 08:39 AM

Jan 2012

See ya.

Don

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)

9. Try explaining it then - you might be able to justify your thread

Reply to NNN0LHI (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 09:28 AM

Jan 2012

rather than leaving it look like a bit of anti-scientific, anti-intellectual ignorance, as it currently does. Your fear of links is laughable.

The 'difference' between what two things, for instance? Just explaining that would help at least part of your point to come across.

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