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reformist2

(9,841 posts) Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:33 PM Oct 2012

I think the $716B Mediscare/Obamacare LIE is having a bigger effect than is realized.

On the surface, it really does sound as if they are taking $716 B away from Medicare to pay for Obamacare - i.e., taking money away from seniors and giving it to poor people. I can see why some seniors might be alarmed and even resentful.

Obama needs to tell voters that this is going to be the savings of having insured people not have to use emergency rooms and such, and in no way shape or form will lead to a reduction in medical care for seniors. And, that doctors, hospitals and insurers all agree on this.

To be honest, I don't think the Team Obama has done a good enough job explaining this yet.

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I think the $716B Mediscare/Obamacare LIE is having a bigger effect than is realized. (Original Post) reformist2 Oct 2012 OP

But most polls show people Trust Obama with Medicare JuveDem Oct 2012 #1

romney said that 10X in the first debate and it went unchallenged. now accepted as fact nt msongs Oct 2012 #2

Only by those that ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #5

If you look at it from R-Money's nykym Oct 2012 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Drab Oct 2012 #3

At this stage of the game, they're minds are already made up Drab Oct 2012 #4

I don't think so ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #7

That's great, but it does seem that Florida has moved toward Romney more than any other state reformist2 Oct 2012 #8

Hmmm. What polls are you using? nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #10

Just looking at the state polls as compiled by electoral-vote.com reformist2 Oct 2012 #12

It possible. HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #11

Bigger effect with whom, exactly? nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #9

JuveDem

(69 posts)

1. But most polls show people Trust Obama with Medicare

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Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:35 PM

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more than Romney. I do agree though that the message should be more direct

msongs

(67,443 posts)

2. romney said that 10X in the first debate and it went unchallenged. now accepted as fact nt

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Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:35 PM

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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)

5. Only by those that ...

Reply to msongs (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:53 PM

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listen to gop campaign ads and believe fact-checkers have a liberal bias. IOW, gop voters.

nykym

(3,063 posts)

6. If you look at it from R-Money's

Reply to msongs (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:57 PM

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viewpoint...Yes they robbed Medicare, they took away all the illegal duplicate and over-payments to the hospitals & insurance companies.

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Drab

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4. At this stage of the game, they're minds are already made up

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Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:46 PM

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1StrongBlackMan

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7. I don't think so ...

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Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:58 PM

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my 88 year old, decidedly apolitical, mother asked me about the claim. Before answering her, I asked what she thought. She said, "Obamacare cut my prescription costs and my medicare premiums are about the same, so if he took the $716 million (see was not certain of the number) and gave it to Obamacare, wouldn't it be a wash?"

reformist2

(9,841 posts)

8. That's great, but it does seem that Florida has moved toward Romney more than any other state

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Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:15 PM

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in the past month. And I can't help but wonder if it's not because of this Medicare/Obamacare money issue.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)

10. Hmmm. What polls are you using? nt.

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Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:19 PM

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reformist2

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12. Just looking at the state polls as compiled by electoral-vote.com

Reply to OldDem2012 (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:40 PM

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This one for Florida (below) shows a pretty clear "flip" from Obama being +4 over Romney to now being -2. The latest poll is encouraging, though. But still, I hate to see a state which was so clearly for Obama before slipping away from us.

http://electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Pres/Graphs/florida.html

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)

11. It possible.

Reply to reformist2 (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:23 PM

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Florida does have a large elderly population, and a large misinformed population. Its possible the message hasn't been made entirely clear. I don't think explaining it would swing the votes of the idiots in The Villages, but it might in the I-4 corridor.

OldDem2012

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9. Bigger effect with whom, exactly? nt.

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Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:18 PM

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