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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan someone explain to me, like I'm a 5 year old, how Mitt and Obama can be neck and neck...
In the polls at this point. It makes no fucking sense . One is smart, charismatic, experienced, strong, presidential, with a proven record during impossible times . The other is a slime ball.
I'm being a bit of a smartass here I know why, but it STILL blows my mind. And yes Obama is far from perfect IMHO , but he is compared to the alternative.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)who have been driven to frothing-at-the-mouth insanity by right-wing propaganda.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)BootinUp
(47,168 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)as well as the power of Citizens United dough
Brother Buzz
(36,448 posts)Simple, no?
elleng
(131,014 posts)Works every time. Add 'trick' voting machines and VOILA!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Don't take this personally. I'm quoting Bill Clinton if you remember.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)Credible Polls:
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PPP (D)
NBC/Marist
SurveyUSA (Sponsored by WCMH-TV Columbus )
CNN
Columbus Dispatch
Quinnipiac/CBS/NYT
WaPo
Not Credible or No Longer Credible (sponsored by right-wing groups):
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Gallup
Zogby * (Sponsored by Newsmax)
Gravis Marketing
Rasmussen
Pulse Opinion Research (Sponsored by Let Freedom Ring)
Wenzel Strategies (R) (Sponsored by Citizens United)
We Ask America
Additionally, prior to the first debate, the pollsters had been using the Registered Voter model which clearly placed the President in the lead across the spectrum. Then the pollsters switched to the Likely Voter model which allowed them to claim Democrat voters were less enthusiastic and therefore less liable to vote. Women and Latino voters suddenly appeared to be split evenly between the President and Romney. Heck, some polls even tried to present numbers that the President was losing support among black voters. So, guess what happened to the spread between the President and Romney? It appeared to tighten up, right?
Bottom line? Polls are only as good as the people preparing them. When looking at a poll you have to examine who was called, when were they called, and in what regions were they called.
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)we have corporate news in the U.S. that doesn't ask or fact check... and a right wing bubble machine that is beyond uninformed, its misinformed... many voters have no idea what they are voting for..
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)I think this is the key issue - a media complicit in peddling Republican propaganda - because they're owned by big corporations which require Republican loyalty.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)a graph on the chart and send it to a gullible public. Then you have constant repetitive script and a neck and neck competition.
rightsideout
(978 posts)It's probably alot of people who voted for Bush the second time. I'm seeing so many similarities to those people who supported Bush and the current crop of Romney supporters, it's scary.
For some reason they have amnesia about the Bush years and have no qualms about going back to the same policies that put us in this mess.
I think they are either clueless or not paying attention.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,417 posts)1. People whom hate President Obama with the heat of a thousand suns. They don't like Romney per se but will vote for him just so that they can get President Obama out of the WH. End of story
2. Wishy-washy people (i.e. low-information voters) whom believe, egregiously (thanks to massive Fox News/GOP propaganda), that President Obama didn't get anything accomplished despite having a Democratic Congress for the first two years in office (which is both true and misleading), that his policies have failed (or made things worse despite the objective evidence that things are actually better now), and that he didn't fix everything in 4 years so we need to try Romney/Ryan and see if they can get the job done (this seems to be the slant of the Orlando Sentinel today that endorsed Romney for POTUS).
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)I keep seeing these threads.
It's not that complicated to understand that the United States is a politically-divided country.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)their eyeballs with hate.
mzmolly
(51,001 posts)Sadly.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Hardly a day goes by that I'm not confronted with a perfectly nice person that would be completely nonplussed by the intricacies of making change. And those days when it doesn't happen are the ones I spent entirely with animals.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)I think there's a lot of reasons that people are supporting Romney. None of them are good reasons, of course (unless you're of the uber-rich, then he's clearly your man). There's racism and ignorance. There's this bizarre "Romney is a businessman" BS. There's frustration that Obama couldn't make it "all better" in his first term. And, of course, there's the people who vote against their economic interest for social issues.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)And you are right on all your points of course and we have the same issues up here too as evidenced by Harper. But he doesn't seem quiet as scary to me, maybe because as a populous we are just slightly more liberal and some things even he couldn't touch, like universal health care
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)money and western stupidity.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)everything they can to make your President a one term only.
Volaris
(10,273 posts)thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)glowing
(12,233 posts)from Nigeria and the sleazy salesman still sells the lemon car. Americans really aren't all #1 or all that bright... And many don't pay all that much of attention to any of it.
Media propaganda & stupid Americans.
pansypoo53219
(20,983 posts)jsmirman
(4,507 posts)If Monday goes as it should - and this is no invitation to ease the foot off the pedal or break it down with twenty meters left to the tape - but if Monday goes as it should and we keep pushing and the campaign keeps pushing - we are winning this fucking thing.
It is becoming very hard for me to understand how some people around here do NOT see it.
Obama is an in-the-money option right now. Period. And if anyone was willing to sell you that option even valued as something with some potential in its trajectory but still out of the money, you would snap it up in a heartbeat.
And anyone who says differently is a damn fool. And certainly has never traded for a living.
And btw, the campaign is really hitting its stride, if you haven't noticed.
I thought Romnesia was genius, but then I heard the clip tonight where Obama says not to worry if you've got it, because Obamacare covers pre-existing conditions? Genius plus.
I am a realist and I am cautious and diabolically methodical when it comes to grinding out a win. We New Yorkers don't traffic in wild optimism. At least those of us who grew up in the all too realistic 70's and 80's. I am presently very optimistic. Very.
speedoo
(11,229 posts)"rmoney" is ok, so is "shithead", "wiLIARd", etc.
You get the idea.
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)You can see these are not people confident they are winning.
Willard is nervous, evasive, he sweats profusely. He is near
abusive and rude not to just the president but to staffers. He
was too terrified to appear on the view. His son has threatened to
assault the president and Queen Ann has has several publicly
crude comments. They appear desperate. Candidates get a feeling
as to whether the election is moving in their favor...Willard shows
none of that confidence. IMHO.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I doubt Mittens would be acting like this if he was really confident about winning..........in fact, it sounds like he knows he losing, and badly.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)because they are L*I*A*R*S.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)The media already knows President Obama is going to win this election handily.
But that piece of information if confirmed would cost the people in the news business a lot of money.
This election is comparable to 50 Super Bowls.
Image the money lost if the final score of the Super Bowl was announced 3 weeks before the game began. No one would watch.
This election has to appear to be close to increase the bottom line. Money is the bottom line.
That is whats going on right now.
Hope I explained this satisfactory enough for you.
Don
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)2. He's a brown person.
begin_within
(21,551 posts)RagAss
(13,832 posts)Next question.
backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)in this country their are a sizable percentage that vote party no matter what,leaving about 20% to decide the election.
In our current economy the President is going to have a battle no matter the reason for the problems.
BootinUp
(47,168 posts)and it has been going on for a long time.
But I am hopeful that the President will win comfortably in the end.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)... You are five years old. About half of the American voters (not half of all Americans) have about the same level of political understanding as you do--as a five year old.
Many of them "know" that this Congress is a do-nothing Congress. So they don't have to worry about what they do. They don't know that Republicans raised their taxes next year, blocked all chances of economic recovery, wrecked the nation's credit rating, and so forth. Ruining your life so that you blame the President is not "doing nothing." But they, too, have the minds of five-year olds, and they don't know that.
Many of them are people who have served or still serve in the armed forces. The President is their commander-in-chief, and as such he holds sway over where they go, what they do, who they fight, and sometimes whether they live or die. Some of them--the ones with minds of five-year olds--believe that the President holds that same sort of power at home, even though the Constitution goes out of its way to explain that he does not.
Many of those who support Romney--the ones with the minds of five-year olds--believe absurd things about our President. Some think that he is not a Christian--and don't understand that that shouldn't matter, anyway. Some think he isn't even American. Some think that he hates Freedom because he uses the same spying tools that the Freedom-loving President who let Saddam Hussein attack Merka demanded and got.
The people who support Mitt Romney have to believe some or all of these things because that is what the people they trust tell them to believe, at church, on the radio, and on Fox News. Those people wouldn't hide behind Jesus to lie to a five-year old, would they? Of course they would, if it gets them richer and more powerful! But a five-year old doesn't understand that, either.
Because we are a nation of ignorant voters, our political landscape is comprised of thick, wandering lines and stick-figures, drawn by crayon. If an issue is green but Mitt Romney wants to draw it in periwinkle because that's his favorite color, he can. An adult might look at that simplistic drawing and ask, "what is that?" But a five year old can always see home, Mom, and apple pie in the drawing, because those are the things the five year old really cares about.
It doesn't matter if Mitt Romney doesn't really have any ice cream to hand out after the election, what is important is that he says he does, and what five-year old is going to doubt him when they really, really want ice cream? If someone tells them that Mitt doesn't have ice cream, well, the five year old isn't going to listen to that guy, because that's not what they want at all. So they'll happily clamber into Mitt's unmarked white van, just in case he does have ice cream in there.
See?