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Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:28 AM Oct 2012

Can someone explain to me, like I'm a 5 year old, how Mitt and Obama can be neck and neck...

In the polls at this point. It makes no fucking sense . One is smart, charismatic, experienced, strong, presidential, with a proven record during impossible times . The other is a slime ball.

I'm being a bit of a smartass here I know why, but it STILL blows my mind. And yes Obama is far from perfect IMHO , but he is compared to the alternative.

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Can someone explain to me, like I'm a 5 year old, how Mitt and Obama can be neck and neck... (Original Post) Locut0s Oct 2012 OP
lots of stupid people ibegurpard Oct 2012 #1
Like George Carlin said... Frank Cannon Oct 2012 #36
lol nt BootinUp Oct 2012 #38
Teh stupid plus fake momentum generated by the powers that be flamingdem Oct 2012 #2
The MSM needs to sell soap Brother Buzz Oct 2012 #3
Very affective and time-tested repug propaganda. elleng Oct 2012 #4
"It's the economy stupid." JDPriestly Oct 2012 #5
Examine the various pollsters closely....you'll be amazed at what you find. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #6
More info... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #16
almost all can be laid at the feet of the press.. oldhippydude Oct 2012 #7
+1000 ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #21
Well. it's like this. You take the onesided media and add in a dash of biased polls, throw mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #8
It's like the second Bush election rightsideout Oct 2012 #9
There seem to be two basic types of people voting for Romney: Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2012 #10
Why is anyone surprised? davidn3600 Oct 2012 #11
Because nearly 50% of the people in this country are either stupid motherfuckers, or filled to bluestate10 Oct 2012 #12
This ^ mzmolly Oct 2012 #13
It's considerably higher than 50%, but a lot of them don't vote or are voting for "our" guy. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #20
Explain Stephen Harper to me. Barack_America Oct 2012 #14
Touche. You have me there. I fucking hate Stephen Harper... Locut0s Oct 2012 #15
Steven Harper was aided by a lot of Ralph Reid arthritisR_US Oct 2012 #19
Money and power behind the machine doing arthritisR_US Oct 2012 #17
Like you're 5? "Some people don't like people who look different than they do, Johnny." Volaris Oct 2012 #18
Here ya go.......... thelordofhell Oct 2012 #22
Because people still get scammed by emails glowing Oct 2012 #23
Sure... TM99 Oct 2012 #24
the teevee gnews. meeeedia. gotta keep it close or people would turn the teevee off. pansypoo53219 Oct 2012 #25
Oh, for fuck's sake. We're winning this shit, plain and simple. jsmirman Oct 2012 #26
We don't call him "mitt" around here. speedoo Oct 2012 #27
If you watch the Romneys in public EmeraldCityGrl Oct 2012 #28
Yeah, that does say something. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #30
ok kid MFM008 Oct 2012 #29
They aren't NNN0LHI Oct 2012 #31
1. The economy didn't get magically better two days after he took office. 6000eliot Oct 2012 #32
Fall down go boom! begin_within Oct 2012 #33
The average IQ is 100. RagAss Oct 2012 #34
why are people so surprised backwoodsbob Oct 2012 #35
There has been a lot of brainwashing BootinUp Oct 2012 #37
Okay, little Locut0s.... sofa king Oct 2012 #39

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
1. lots of stupid people
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:29 AM
Oct 2012

who have been driven to frothing-at-the-mouth insanity by right-wing propaganda.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
2. Teh stupid plus fake momentum generated by the powers that be
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:30 AM
Oct 2012

as well as the power of Citizens United dough

elleng

(131,014 posts)
4. Very affective and time-tested repug propaganda.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:33 AM
Oct 2012

Works every time. Add 'trick' voting machines and VOILA!

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
16. More info...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:56 AM
Oct 2012

Credible Polls:
---------------
PPP (D)
NBC/Marist
SurveyUSA (Sponsored by WCMH-TV Columbus )
CNN
Columbus Dispatch
Quinnipiac/CBS/NYT
WaPo

Not Credible or No Longer Credible (sponsored by right-wing groups):
------------------------------------------------------------------
Gallup
Zogby * (Sponsored by Newsmax)
Gravis Marketing
Rasmussen
Pulse Opinion Research (Sponsored by Let Freedom Ring)
Wenzel Strategies (R) (Sponsored by Citizens United)
We Ask America

Additionally, prior to the first debate, the pollsters had been using the Registered Voter model which clearly placed the President in the lead across the spectrum. Then the pollsters switched to the Likely Voter model which allowed them to claim Democrat voters were less enthusiastic and therefore less liable to vote. Women and Latino voters suddenly appeared to be split evenly between the President and Romney. Heck, some polls even tried to present numbers that the President was losing support among black voters. So, guess what happened to the spread between the President and Romney? It appeared to tighten up, right?

Bottom line? Polls are only as good as the people preparing them. When looking at a poll you have to examine who was called, when were they called, and in what regions were they called.

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
7. almost all can be laid at the feet of the press..
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:35 AM
Oct 2012

we have corporate news in the U.S. that doesn't ask or fact check... and a right wing bubble machine that is beyond uninformed, its misinformed... many voters have no idea what they are voting for..

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
21. +1000
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:11 AM
Oct 2012

I think this is the key issue - a media complicit in peddling Republican propaganda - because they're owned by big corporations which require Republican loyalty.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
8. Well. it's like this. You take the onesided media and add in a dash of biased polls, throw
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:35 AM
Oct 2012

a graph on the chart and send it to a gullible public. Then you have constant repetitive script and a neck and neck competition.

rightsideout

(978 posts)
9. It's like the second Bush election
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:36 AM
Oct 2012

It's probably alot of people who voted for Bush the second time. I'm seeing so many similarities to those people who supported Bush and the current crop of Romney supporters, it's scary.

For some reason they have amnesia about the Bush years and have no qualms about going back to the same policies that put us in this mess.

I think they are either clueless or not paying attention.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,417 posts)
10. There seem to be two basic types of people voting for Romney:
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:38 AM
Oct 2012

1. People whom hate President Obama with the heat of a thousand suns. They don't like Romney per se but will vote for him just so that they can get President Obama out of the WH. End of story

2. Wishy-washy people (i.e. low-information voters) whom believe, egregiously (thanks to massive Fox News/GOP propaganda), that President Obama didn't get anything accomplished despite having a Democratic Congress for the first two years in office (which is both true and misleading), that his policies have failed (or made things worse despite the objective evidence that things are actually better now), and that he didn't fix everything in 4 years so we need to try Romney/Ryan and see if they can get the job done (this seems to be the slant of the Orlando Sentinel today that endorsed Romney for POTUS).

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
11. Why is anyone surprised?
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:38 AM
Oct 2012

I keep seeing these threads.

It's not that complicated to understand that the United States is a politically-divided country.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
12. Because nearly 50% of the people in this country are either stupid motherfuckers, or filled to
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:42 AM
Oct 2012

their eyeballs with hate.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
20. It's considerably higher than 50%, but a lot of them don't vote or are voting for "our" guy.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:02 AM
Oct 2012

Hardly a day goes by that I'm not confronted with a perfectly nice person that would be completely nonplussed by the intricacies of making change. And those days when it doesn't happen are the ones I spent entirely with animals.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
14. Explain Stephen Harper to me.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:46 AM
Oct 2012

I think there's a lot of reasons that people are supporting Romney. None of them are good reasons, of course (unless you're of the uber-rich, then he's clearly your man). There's racism and ignorance. There's this bizarre "Romney is a businessman" BS. There's frustration that Obama couldn't make it "all better" in his first term. And, of course, there's the people who vote against their economic interest for social issues.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
15. Touche. You have me there. I fucking hate Stephen Harper...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:53 AM
Oct 2012

And you are right on all your points of course and we have the same issues up here too as evidenced by Harper. But he doesn't seem quiet as scary to me, maybe because as a populous we are just slightly more liberal and some things even he couldn't touch, like universal health care

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
23. Because people still get scammed by emails
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:13 AM
Oct 2012

from Nigeria and the sleazy salesman still sells the lemon car. Americans really aren't all #1 or all that bright... And many don't pay all that much of attention to any of it.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
26. Oh, for fuck's sake. We're winning this shit, plain and simple.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:46 AM
Oct 2012

If Monday goes as it should - and this is no invitation to ease the foot off the pedal or break it down with twenty meters left to the tape - but if Monday goes as it should and we keep pushing and the campaign keeps pushing - we are winning this fucking thing.

It is becoming very hard for me to understand how some people around here do NOT see it.

Obama is an in-the-money option right now. Period. And if anyone was willing to sell you that option even valued as something with some potential in its trajectory but still out of the money, you would snap it up in a heartbeat.

And anyone who says differently is a damn fool. And certainly has never traded for a living.

And btw, the campaign is really hitting its stride, if you haven't noticed.

I thought Romnesia was genius, but then I heard the clip tonight where Obama says not to worry if you've got it, because Obamacare covers pre-existing conditions? Genius plus.

I am a realist and I am cautious and diabolically methodical when it comes to grinding out a win. We New Yorkers don't traffic in wild optimism. At least those of us who grew up in the all too realistic 70's and 80's. I am presently very optimistic. Very.

speedoo

(11,229 posts)
27. We don't call him "mitt" around here.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:23 AM
Oct 2012

"rmoney" is ok, so is "shithead", "wiLIARd", etc.

You get the idea.

EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
28. If you watch the Romneys in public
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:59 AM
Oct 2012

You can see these are not people confident they are winning.
Willard is nervous, evasive, he sweats profusely. He is near
abusive and rude not to just the president but to staffers. He
was too terrified to appear on the view. His son has threatened to
assault the president and Queen Ann has has several publicly
crude comments. They appear desperate. Candidates get a feeling
as to whether the election is moving in their favor...Willard shows
none of that confidence. IMHO.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
30. Yeah, that does say something.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:37 AM
Oct 2012

I doubt Mittens would be acting like this if he was really confident about winning..........in fact, it sounds like he knows he losing, and badly.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
31. They aren't
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:52 AM
Oct 2012

The media already knows President Obama is going to win this election handily.

But that piece of information if confirmed would cost the people in the news business a lot of money.

This election is comparable to 50 Super Bowls.

Image the money lost if the final score of the Super Bowl was announced 3 weeks before the game began. No one would watch.

This election has to appear to be close to increase the bottom line. Money is the bottom line.

That is whats going on right now.

Hope I explained this satisfactory enough for you.

Don

 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
35. why are people so surprised
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:18 AM
Oct 2012

in this country their are a sizable percentage that vote party no matter what,leaving about 20% to decide the election.
In our current economy the President is going to have a battle no matter the reason for the problems.

BootinUp

(47,168 posts)
37. There has been a lot of brainwashing
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:45 AM
Oct 2012

and it has been going on for a long time.

But I am hopeful that the President will win comfortably in the end.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
39. Okay, little Locut0s....
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:54 AM
Oct 2012

... You are five years old. About half of the American voters (not half of all Americans) have about the same level of political understanding as you do--as a five year old.

Many of them "know" that this Congress is a do-nothing Congress. So they don't have to worry about what they do. They don't know that Republicans raised their taxes next year, blocked all chances of economic recovery, wrecked the nation's credit rating, and so forth. Ruining your life so that you blame the President is not "doing nothing." But they, too, have the minds of five-year olds, and they don't know that.

Many of them are people who have served or still serve in the armed forces. The President is their commander-in-chief, and as such he holds sway over where they go, what they do, who they fight, and sometimes whether they live or die. Some of them--the ones with minds of five-year olds--believe that the President holds that same sort of power at home, even though the Constitution goes out of its way to explain that he does not.

Many of those who support Romney--the ones with the minds of five-year olds--believe absurd things about our President. Some think that he is not a Christian--and don't understand that that shouldn't matter, anyway. Some think he isn't even American. Some think that he hates Freedom because he uses the same spying tools that the Freedom-loving President who let Saddam Hussein attack Merka demanded and got.

The people who support Mitt Romney have to believe some or all of these things because that is what the people they trust tell them to believe, at church, on the radio, and on Fox News. Those people wouldn't hide behind Jesus to lie to a five-year old, would they? Of course they would, if it gets them richer and more powerful! But a five-year old doesn't understand that, either.

Because we are a nation of ignorant voters, our political landscape is comprised of thick, wandering lines and stick-figures, drawn by crayon. If an issue is green but Mitt Romney wants to draw it in periwinkle because that's his favorite color, he can. An adult might look at that simplistic drawing and ask, "what is that?" But a five year old can always see home, Mom, and apple pie in the drawing, because those are the things the five year old really cares about.

It doesn't matter if Mitt Romney doesn't really have any ice cream to hand out after the election, what is important is that he says he does, and what five-year old is going to doubt him when they really, really want ice cream? If someone tells them that Mitt doesn't have ice cream, well, the five year old isn't going to listen to that guy, because that's not what they want at all. So they'll happily clamber into Mitt's unmarked white van, just in case he does have ice cream in there.

See?

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