we all hate Romney equally and support O/B.
In fact all Republicans get no love at ALL.
My mom chased one gop cantidate away from the house because he tried to argue with her...After almost 54 years I know that is like trying to get a whooly mammoth out of a tar pit.

My closest family members anyway. I have a couple or distant cousins who are Rs on my mom's side, but I hardly ever see them.

Just ignore it, you are not going to change your father at this point.

Have your husband bet your father that if your father can prove that the Romneys served in the military then he will start watching fox and your father will bet he will not have another drink until the election in 2016 if they did not serve

my ass off. Especially if they were screaming at each other.

it was bad enough I left...I was worried about cops, actually


I swear its also a male thing...they're both sleeping now and I'm wound up

of wine or something to calm down.

Men fight and then get over it much better than women do. I don't understand it, but after 2 husbands and 2 sons I know it's true.

Republicans must be rolled back out of office, only then will the constitutional protections that we have a right to be observed. That effort is going to take the better part of a decade of voting in local, state and federal elections, including primaries.

in order to end the extremist nature of the modern Republican party, they are going to have to be defeated soundly over and over until it occurs to them that what they're doing isn't working and they're facing extinction if they don't change. If they don't change I hope they do become extinct personally. Ever since about February of 2011 when the brunt force of the 'Red Tide' rolled through Wisconsin and governor Walker's strong-arming of Wisconsinites, I have been operating on a slowly reducing number of working nerves until now when I'm down to about my last functioning one and the whole damned lot of them are on it at once. This has GOT to be the end of it all. This election I mean as I'm looking to a nervous breakdown of some kind if Romney gets into office (parish the mere thought)!

Also, Syntara, a warm welcome to DU. I hope you will enjoy your time here......

If they're not defeated soundly time and time again then they'll just keep thinking they lost because whatever candidate is running for their team "isn't conservative enough". They have to be hit on the head with a huge mallet ( figuratively speaking ) with the fact that they're NOT the majority....not even close. But that's what living in a fox news/talk radio bubble does to troglodytes.

That is why they are so proud of their insanity, and so sure of their false facts.

The media gets paid very well by the Koch Brothers to manufacture consent.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I've been going through a very tense time with my mother for quite a while now. Everyone I respect and admire, she very vocally hates. Everyone she admires, I think is radically insane (Beck and O'Reilly, for starters).

When I was there this summer, she kept following me around, trying to bait me into a political "discussion." I told her that I'd really like for us to get along, and attempting to discuss politics in any form wouldn't allow that. There's so much tension between us, even in her stilted replies to the generic "Hi, How are you feeling?" emails that I send, that it's ridiculous.

Like you said, "I feel like a bad daughter...but it just makes me sick." It's really upsetting to me, too, but there's nothing I can do about it. I'm not changing my world view or backing down on my principles just to please her, which is what she wants.

There's so much tension between us, even in her stilted replies to the generic "Hi, How are you feeling?" emails that I send, that it's ridiculous.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Hang in there.

she is a bad mother. I say that as a mother of 2 grown women. It is her place and duty as a mother to support you and love you unconditionally all of her life.

I'm not saying she has to agree with everything you believe or do, but if she does not respect your beliefs, opinions and a right to your own life, then she is a failure as a parent.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'd like to attribute it to dementia, but she still has all her faculties. This has been the reality ever since I started thinking and acting for myself, and climbed out of the box she raised me in.

The really sad part is how deeply painful it still is, even now that I have two absolutely wonderful grown children of my own. Detaching myself from the emotional conflict it causes is something I've been working on for years, but I don't seem to be making much progress.

between me and my father-in-law. He's a classic Fox news watcher, because that's "real." My wife holds me back (she's a liberal) for the sake a family harmony, but sooner or later, I'm gonna let loose. At some point his propagation of all of the Fox lies and racist jokes are gonna push me over the edge.

I still love him. He really is a good guy and loves his daughter and granddaughter (my girl). But he's really just brainwashed by Limbaugh and Fox.

So I understand. You're not the bad daughter. You'll probably never change your dad's mind. But if he is a good guy, never stop trying.

That is the very thing that I cannot tolerate. My father-in-law spouts Fox News lies and is intolerant of hearing any other opinion, and my wife tells me to not speak my mind. That infuriates me! You deserve to be treated with respect. And treating people with respect involves listening to what they have to say, not just saying what you think and being intolerant of any other views. So I have yelled at my father-in-law several times, because he needs to understand that he has no right to tell me what I can or cannot say.

I'm not mad at my husband. i think he just felt bad b/c i felt the need to leave. i don't blame him, he felt attacked.

we're at a condo resort (family vacation, haha)...i seriously thought the cops were gonna show up.

My Dad is both very Republican...and a Mormon....but he told me today that he mailed in his ballot for Obama. Luckyy he hasn't bought into the faux news bs. He's pissed that the teaparty has hijacked his party.

Wife aligns herself as a Republican, not necessarily a Conservative, but Fox is what she watches when not watching local Big Three news.

She has described the Tea Party member as nuts, even though I point out to her that there's no daylight between the Tea Party and the GOP.

She continues to declare herself as undecided this election, so I am having at times to just take shit off her and remain quiet, rather than correct her when she is wrong about Obama or Romney. I guess I could just smart off back at her, and it's not like her one vote is going to cost Obama the State of Washington. However, there are lots of races down ticket where I'm hoping to hold some sway over her. Governor's race is one, and I'm a state employee. On that, I tell her, "If Rob McKenna wins, there's a fair chance I could get laid off, since I'm a newbie and have only been with the state for just under a year."

In 2010, in the 11th hour, she turned to me for input on races where she was undecided, and she damned near voted straight Democratic Party, same as me. I thought she was going to vomit when she filled in Patty Murray for U.S. Senate. If I had to, I would have taken a punch to make it happen. I do remember profane utterances. I had effectively used healthcare on her in 2010. I am not having as much sway over her on that point this year.

She did pop a cork tonight ranting about companies sending jobs overseas or importing workers. I asked if she'd heard about Sensata, and I gave her just a brief rundown. Workers having to train their Chinese replacements, if they want to get the severance package. That set her almost screaming. Didn't inject Rmoney into the conversation on that, yet.

Hard to say where she'll come down. Like I say, Washington is solid blue for Obama, but it's the down ticket races that most concern me here.

A heteropolitical marriage can be a painful one. Homopolitical marriage seems far more harmonious.

Really, I don't care how my wife votes, what I find difficult is that we can't have a conversation about it without her feeling that she is being attacked. Her whole family are like that, and I have noticed many Republicans are that way. I don't need somebody to reafirm my own beliefs, but I don't understand how there can be things that cannot be talked about. You seem to have that problem to a certain extent, but for me politics is a complete no-go area for her and her family. I conclude that their political beliefs are like a faith and they feel their identity is under threat to have to listen to opposing views. I find it infuriating and illogical. We have many other difference, including religion and diet, but I see the differences as a way of both of us being stronger and we talk about those things, but I don't get this thing about not being prepared to hear any arguments that might differ from Fox News and Rush Limbaurgh.

Religion as well is another area for us. I'm an agnostic pantheist, and she's a Christian. That one REALLY stirs the pot. She'll grouse at me that she "can't find a church" but I see it as code for "I won't believe what she believes".

Diet, to a lesser extent, is an issue with us. Really it's diet and exercise. Doctors basically tell her, "You better lose weight or you could die." I've tried getting her on a bike, or walking, anything to start, but there's always an excuse.

That is a great point, about rupubs acting attacked if we offer an opinion. I teach and our history teacher is a staunch tea partier. I have learned to not discuss politics w her Bc she, well, she freaks. So I hold back and allow her to spew Fox talking points. Hate that my opinion is the one considered extreme!

There are a lot of old republican drunks around. These deluded souls see where the last three or four decades have led and mostly have to pick up on debates quibbling about small minutia now. Having a heated debate with such folks often leads one to feel soiled on or unwashed but just notice that somebody has to do it and so might just as well be you. Just remember consult with your doctor before such activity and avoid any overly advert conversations if you are currently using blood pressure medications

Btw, if you wallow in the mud with them they might like you a bit more but if you offer concrete points on why their positions are faulty and nag on it they just get more angry and clam up after while so it's a fine line to be sure. Good hunting

but they go on and on about their views and expect us to listen!

I could never make that work.

I'll throw in some hubby ass too, for taking the bait. A two-fer, just for you my sweet.

She lives in Texas, too!

she was fairly new here and wondered what she had done to upset me

they got so hatefull...

my SIL. he has gone nuts. It's hard to be around him because he always goes off on something. One thing I noticed over the years, because I have a couple republican family members.... they will always try to talk that crap to me, but they WON'T engage my oldest sister. She is a democrat, unapologetically so. And whenever they do their bs, she always calls them on it. It's a thing of beauty and I wish I could do it. Someone said something about the schools and education and she said that we should disband the schools and parents should teach their own kids. This was on facebook. Then the reply was, what am I supposed to do with my kids all day then while I am at work. LOL! People don't bring it up around her. Because she is good at responding to them.

My sentiments exactly. I think I have been suffering from anxiety for the last couple of weeks. I'm ready for this to be over with.

Getting members of the same families and friends to go against each other. And it's the gift that keeps on giving.

is often the best way to tick off a conservative

just stay mellow, have facts/points to everything claimed, and let them destroy themselves..
often they get enraged and simply take their ball and go home :p
which leaves you looking like the adult

Do yourself a favor and take tomorrow to do whatever it is you love to do, as long as it does not involve a television. For myself it is animals, particularly horses right now. But just get the hell out of the house, let the kids fend for themselves, if the spouse doesn't share your enthusiasm, tell them to take over, and just get away from it.

No matter what happens in 17 days, it will happen and you're not going to help or stop it.

Take a deep breath.

Takes a few more.

Notice that the season is changing.

Go for a drive, paint a picture, write a song, go sit in the park before it gets too cold.

Life is way too short to sacrifice any more of yours stressing about that which you cannot change.

Just my two cents.

My stomach starts flipping whenever I dare give it a thought. I still remember 2004. That's why I sat through two silly movies last night.

and I can't even imagine how I will forgive those that allowed a Mittwit presidency if God forbid that should happen.

I spent a hard day working on a yard that has been much neglected.

It was wonderful to sit down with a beer afterwards and just reflect on my own personal bubble of life instead of the global impact of everything.

there is only what is revealed to each of us on a personal level.

What is revealed to me tonight is that you are likely correct, there is no ancient mormon or believer to make it all right for us... for each of us... for you as well as me.

Nov 7th it will all restart.

It's time for a sit down with pops. We ignore politics when speaking or hanging out, or we ignore each other for good. Booze is no longer your excuse.

Nov 7th the 2016 race begins. Every pundit will be screaming about how the race was thrown, regardless of the winner.

I hope you can find a way to make peace. It's likely going to come from a real threat though, choose the party that doesn't give a shit about you or the daughter that loves you.

Interventions are for more than drug abuse.

I said this morning "Obama is going to win and we're gonna have four more years of these fights."

at least it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. he MUST win, dammit.

It's against the rules.

What gets me are the ones who are actually PROUD to call themselves "assholes".

I remind them that means they're full of shit.

It is most annoying.

It got me applause at a party once.

We should never quit demanding that apology until we actually get one. Neither should the Iraqi people.

Their whole attitude is, "Fuck you I ain't apologizing for shit. Least of all to a Liberal."

You have to remember, these people feel free to say things that would have gotten them a punch in the mouth in school.

He must know you and your husband are not impressed by his politics so he should STFU. If he thinks he has the right to criticise and demean your preferences then you have to shut him down about it; he is visiting your family, not typing a point of view on a Freeper board.

but I love my husband's comment to repukes in WA. State. He let's them carry on and on and on
until they're finally done and then he says " good thing your vote doesn't count." they look at him
and say "every vote counts." He then says, " not here. We're a Blue State. Your vote doesn't make
a damn bit of difference." They get so angry, but most of the time they deserve it.

And my brother voted to take my rights away in cal. Prop 8. The only good thing about having republican family members is that it gives you deeper insight into what their side really thinks, if you can call it thinking. But It's very frustrating.

Over politics? When it comes to satanic forces like Romney, you betcha.

These people know what Romney is about and they willingly stand behind his war to destroy the working class. The class I was born in and spent most of my life a part of, the class that I depend upon for my success. These people are traitors and I am done tolerating that shit.

Blood is thicker than water but septic poison in my blood must be flushed out. I take an extreme hard line on this shit. No more fraternizing with people who wage war on the working class.

My wife used to have an issue with me about this concerning a certain in-law. After the Sandra Fluke shit broke out and said in-law voiced his opposition to birth control rights? She didn't have an issue with it anymore!

I grin each time I read the title to the OP as it could mean either that Dad and Husband are one in the same or that Dad and Hubby got in a fight with a third entity.

Love the message though.

Classy.

It is only hurting the situation. Part of the reason your dad is being an ass is because no one has spoke up in the past. America can no longer afford quiet Democrats.

My husband's family baits me into arguments. For them, it's fun to bait the professor into an argument, especially about "illegals." These are supposedly good, giving Christians...who think only about their pocketbooks.

I rarely give them any satisfaction. My mom's family gives half-hearted attempts to annoy me, but they're usually sent scuttling off after a few minutes.

Some are being stretched to the breaking point. Try not to get caught up in the raging emotions. Just tell yourself that this will pass. Don't try to control the situation or the people. They're all stressed too.

I think it's mainly the black thing, but also the label "liberal." But whatever it is, it's based on hate.

"The only reason you voted for Obama is because he's black" - that's what he said last night.

... responding, "Yeah, and?" would feel great.

I would then follow up, "But I'm voting for him again in 2012 because he's so much smarter and better for the country than Rmoney."

...and I encourage every Republican dissatisfied with Mitt to vote for their libertarian white knight.

Every Republican vote for Ron Paul is a vote down the toilet, so flush away, elephant people!

I see many women say they won't talk politics with the family because people get upset. I think remaining silent in the face of ignorance is wrong.

didint expect such response. thanks

.husband got up this morning and dad was gone...which means he left in the middle of the night (drunk) or got up at the crack of dawn.

either way, it's because he didn't want to face me this morning

he's done this before...last time he actually used the n-word (my husband is AA). he was embarrassed and ashamed and ran.

how come you never hear stories of liberal/democratic parents fighting with their conservative kids?

because those ideals are truly aging out and dying off, that's why. the world has evolved far beyond the 'world' these generations grew up in.

those that refuse to adapt are getting left behind, and it scares them so they strike out. add alcohol to the mix, and boom.

... that can't help saying stupid stuff also. Used to just bite my tongue and let ride.

Not so much anymore. Since I've started blasting back with facts, his stupid doesn't come up as often.

Definitely not fun to deal with, you have my compassion.

One weekend I came home and dad started ragging about the evil teacher's unions. I just looked at him and said, very softly, "But dad, I am in a teacher's union. Am I evil?" He got this stricken look on his face and never spewed bagger bs in my presence again.

I miss my dad.

I would have walked out after telling him "until you learn to behave like a civilized human being, I have no intention of subjecting either my husband or myself to your ignorant abuse. Good-bye" What your father demonstrated quite clearly is that he not only has no respect for the president, but none for you or your husband. Why tolerate it? I understand that you love your parents, but at some point the parent has to demonstrate the feeling is mutual. Without respect, there is no love.

time it's all kind of okay. Like you said, "Oh, that's just __________________."

I know that I'm supposed to believe that others look and listen and decide against this ugly craziness, but SOME are validated by it, because it manifests stuff about themselves that they may feel like it's wrong, but here's a convenient excuse to say to themselves, TTE, "It's okay to have these thoughts and feelings and prejudices, because I'm a much nicer person that so-and-so."