There are things that they will refuse to do for any amount of money.

I actually think prostitution is probably one of the most honest professions out there. When they talk about "truth in advertising" you can't get much more truthful than that.

it is all about being honest.

lordy.

I mean more truth in advertising in the sense that, politicians are notorious for flip flopping, will say their morals are one thing one day then another the next. You may not agree with prostitution and think it's exploitative and wrong but aside from what you mentioned it's honest in that it is what it's advertised to be, sex for money.

Note that I'm not trying to argue the morality of prostitution.

(and full disclosure, I chuckled too) I find the comparison mildly offensive myself. You pay a prostitute for a particular fantasy, sure- but it's all up-front and agreed-on beforehand, and assuming it goes as planned then everyone gets what they wanted. Politicians sell you a fantasy when you didn't ask for one and deliver a reality you didn't want. I'm pretty sure there's a moral of some sort there.

It should be legal and regulated.

I have never visited one, and I don't intend to ever visit one. Under different circumstances when I was young I might have - especially if it had been legal and safe. Even if I were no longer married I do not see myself ever visiting one at my age.

In addition I would hope neither one of my daughters ever engaged in such an activity. They are both working towards being professionals (engineer and doctor).

From a moral standpoint I think it would be damaging to my marriage, my spouse, and myself if I ever visited a prostitute.

Interesting stories.

You know, some of them do make house calls.

I might. It should be legal. It could save more marriages than destroy IMO. As long as it done for fun, and maybe both partners involved.

I don't care who knows that I have had sex with hookers. I don't do that any more, but when I was young I used to screw around with hookers just for the hell of it. These days, I have friends who still work the high end.

and maybe it's just me, but calling people 'hookers' seems sort of dehumanizing. Then again, maybe it's the same as saying 'I used to screw around with doctors', I don't know. It just seems like an ugly and dehumanizing word to me.

I don't like the word "whores" and "prostitutes" just sounds so clinical. After all, these are real people.

The Working Ladies who are my friends refer to themselves as "hookers". And they are in the $1K/night class.

If I offended you, I sincerely apologize.
DBH

We spent a good deal of the time just talking. But the whole experience was very therapeutic. She was a sole provider and not associated with any "pimps" or "madams".

Wow...that's great!

Also, she told me I didn't need to use a condom. But I'm glad I used one anyway, because she died of AIDS a few years later.

your nutsack smells weird anyhow!

I'm shocked. Absolutely shocked!

So, I probably won't post it here.

I believe they provide a very important service to society.

when I could get it any time for free.

But I have had friends who were in the business, and they are just hard working people trying to make a living like the rest of us. I wish that it was legal and regulated so that there would not have to be a "shaming" on either the prostitute or the john. It is a ridiculous fight that we will never win keeping it illegal, and it just feeds criminals.

...that while you could "get it" for free, you might not get what YOU want as much as what your partner wants.

Never will. However, I see no difference between it and the purchasing of pornagraphy which a consenting adult was paid to have sex to create. I also have a family member who I know prostitutes.

but she wouldn't me pay enough.

I'm a goody-goody (what a boring life) and haven't engaged in any of these activities except playing Black Jack in Las Vegas and visiting a few strip clubs. I don't smoke anything because of my asthma but I heard Marijuana has some medicinal qualities.

But I'm for all these because it's people's own business how they entertain themselves either smoking a joint, how they spend their money or spend their time with another consenting adult. So legalize them all. Prostitution is legal in a couple counties in Nevada where it's a tightly controlled industry and it works. People are people and legislating "recreational activities" that don't harm other people shouldn't be illegal. Too much money is spent in law enforcement fighting it. Maybe they want to keep it that way to keep the money in to fight it. But I think from a tax perspective more money could be made legalizing it all.

and your eyes are like the ocean and baby I'm lost at sea

(this was in NV)

Especially if all you are dating for is sex. Then it seems you did it wrong. But isn't dating a hopeful route to something more than just sex?

this is the CUTSEY little joke men like to tell each other, right?

Its a fact that dates can be expensive and if its just sex one wants then it can be cheaper to hire a proffesional. Sometimes its easier if you are looking for something in particular as well as you cant be sure your your date is into the same stuff you are.

merely prostitutes, regardless....

what a creepy creepy thing to say loli....

so disappointed and really, pretty disgusted.

Well, no, she didn't. But who cares, right?

Just that dates can be more expensive than hiring a professional and there is no guaremteed result. Not sure why you are reading more into it.

If I need release I have a hand and porn. Otherwise I'm pretty good at dealing with loneliness.

That always bugs me. That honor goes to the story tellers or myth makers most likely.

Anyway, I'm female and I know a few prostitutes so.. Other

I suspect the drive for sex outdates the availability of language (spoken or written) by a considerable period.

furs, fresh meat, shelter...

I don't think feminists would appreciate that argument.

Edit: That was put forth by the author of The Naked Ape and The Human Zoo. That female humans offered up their hind quarters for meat.

A theory you can't prove.

What bearing does the hypothetical opinion of some unnamed feminists have on a discussion of history?

There's a lot of history that I don't like. Doesn't change whether it happened though.

/trading sex for food is definitely one of the oldest recorded occupations. Was it the first? Hard to say as the definition of profession can vary.

You honestly believe prostitution is the oldest profression, and I'm assuming you mean female prostitutes, from an anthropological perspective? 'Recorded occupations' Wow. Heh.

There is a common sense factor here you're missing as well, aside from a chunk of of very interesting history.

That's an entirely different discussion than the purpose of this thread, so I'm out of here.

You honestly believe prostitution is the oldest profression

There is a common sense factor here you're missing as well, aside from a chunk of of very interesting history.

That doesn't mean those events didn't happen.

Supply and demand, my friend. Just basic economics, which IS as old as civilization, if not older.

So "cave men" had an advantage when it came to hunting.

It is likely that some "cave woman" traded sex for the results of that hunting. We are talking about tens of thousands of years, at least. Even unlikely events could happen once.

So far, your argument is "that's not feminist!". Do you have an argument based on anything else?

and so both gender had sex whenever without any restriction and female sex was not a commodity. how could it be if it was not valued at that point cause we did not have men telling women how they were suppose to behave sexually, to insure they fathered the baby from their sperm.

ALL that was not even a concept. a thought. they were clueless.

too many people want to bring todays intelligence and knowledge to the beginning of time, and it just was not there.

It still felt good. Someone could still "purchase" sex for that reason, not because women were locked in ivory towers.

I think the difference is I'm thinking more like a woman "marrying" a successful man instead of a one-night encounter in return for some elk. The former is still prostitution, it just has less stigma.

thought, known. you are looking at todays world and apply it to a time when the brain was barely developed. really had none of these concepts. took time for all that to progress and develop. so to suggest that beginning of time, sex was used as a tool, doesnt apply.

It was a lot shorter than typing out "long term pair-bonding typical of primitive homo sapiens". The evidence is we practiced serial monogamy before we invented marriage.

And we're not talking about brain barely developed. Our species has been around for about 100,000 years. We're not that new. Only our ability to pass down history is.

they pretty much have sex constantly.

And they are surely free from our patriarchal cocepts of sex and the dominate male power structure (and so on ad infinitum).

They certainly don't "have men telling women how they were suppose to behave sexually, to insure they fathered the baby from their sperm."

And yet they figured out prostitution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_among_animals

too many people want to bring todays intelligence and knowledge to the beginning of time, and it just was not there.

look like a freaking monastery.

that PIV intercourse is an unnatural construct of the Patriarchy.

Or perhaps the patriarchy is so strong it can even influence animals.

I mean shit, we didn't have the first stars till 400 million years after the big bang LOL...


You are talking about very very very very very recent history and trying to figure out if early humans fucked like dogs or emperor penguins. I think there are books on that

I agree with Seabeyond!

It's easily plausible that a "transaction" wasn't needed.

I saw a show on baboons that I've never forgotten. Every baboon clan has a dominant male. One clan had a mellow dominant male. Kind of a hippie baboon. He was run off by a younger, stronger male. But the new male was mean to the females and babies. One day they found the new male beat to shit. The females had ganged up on him and run him off.

Your theories are just theories.

Yes, it's possible for a group of primitive women to gang up and kill a primitive man.

It's also possible for a single primitive woman to kill a single primitive man.

But single instances do not mean the alternate is impossible.

Again, I fully understand you don't like the idea of a "cave woman" shacking up with a "cave man" in order to get access to his hunting output. Yet you've responded with variations on "nuh-uh!!". I mean, the easiest line of attack you could use against would be to remind us that hunter-gatherer tribes are primarily gatherers. The hunting provided much less of the daily calories. From that you could argue that there was no reason for a woman to "sell" herself to a man for hunting output.

But we're talking about approximately 100,000 years. It happened at least once in that time period.

Every conceivable variation has happened. What were the most successful ones that led to us? ...That is the question.

We're already talking about homo sapiens. There was no "led to us". They were us.

Homosapiens are much different now than they were 80 years ago.

Some people are even willing to pay for that while some are able to go for weeks (or in my case - decades) without having sex, most people don't go that long without food, or water.

Well, technically, I'd prefer a shawoman.

No, really. Three or four of my patients are working girls who come in regularly to get tested.

so I passed.

if any of the guys I talk to were ever clients. If they have been, they haven't fessed up.

Love your sig.

First time there. My brother's wife had a baby and I decided to visit them (got in town after a 16 hour drive 9 hours before the delivery; turned out to be a difficult labor and they chose c-section, was a really difficult time for everyone; but everyone is well now).

Anyway, I saw a lot of gals walking around the more sketchy areas of town. It shocked me. I don't know their story or even if they were prostitutes.

My brother pointed out these two teenagers dressed quite provocatively and said they were prostitutes, I refused to accept that. I mean, they were taking pictures of the sights and everything. It was as if they were just tourists checking things out. But I have my doubts after thinking about it. I don't know, it was weird.

Vegas is one wacky city.

The strip was amazing, though, I cannot deny that. Tens of thousands of people at freaking 3AM... was hoping for fewer because I have issues with crowds. It never seemed to let up the entire time I was there.

Anyway, thanks for your story... best wishes.

and while I've been out of the game awhile I doubt it's changed much: you were absolutely right. The women you see dressed provocatively are usually not workers; they are tourists, just women out clubbing or undercover cops. Street workers will dress more modestly; clothes will be tight or clingy and shirts might be revealing, but mostly it's jeans or pants and a blouse like normal. I worked in jeans and T-shirts. When you're facing jail time if caught, you try to blend with the crowd as much as possible.

If you sit for awhile on the Strip around Naked City or points north and watch for awhile, you will see cars pulling over for every woman walking by on the street. That's why. It's because it's hard to tell who is and who isn't, and the locals know it.

That eases my mind a lot because those girls were really teens and quite underage and it made me sick to think that they were prostituting themselves. It reminded me of this really depressing movie called Lilya 4-Ever. (Hell, I just went and posted on IMdb about that movie...)

My brother got married at a really downtrodden place off of Bridger Ave. and we saw a lot of women walking around there (he showed me the place that got him hitched) that were dressed to the kilt, so maybe they weren't prostitutes (or maybe they were drag queens?). It was really sketchy. And I live in a bad neighborhood here in Colorado and for me to say it was sketchy means something. I've personally been shaken down 4 times and shot at once, so, I mean, I wouldn't have wanted to get out of the car there at night. Really scary and just uncomfortable feeling I was getting. Hell at one point I made my brother run a red light when I saw a bunch of really sketchy people hanging out (told him I'd pay for the ticket if he got one; this was at like 2AM).

Anyway, it was some kind of experience. Thanks for cluing me in about that and easing my mind a lot there. I may be against prostitution in general (I consider it a kind of wage slavery, however, I support sex worker rights, if such a possibility existed) but child prostitution? Horrible. Just horrible.

since I had no first or secondhand encounters with it, but I doubt most actual workers would tolerate it. A lot of them, like me, had kids; those that didn't or were just less altruistic would resent something like that for horning in on the cash flow and bringing the price down. We're not all nice people, but there's some things nobody puts up with.

I think I know the chapel you're talking about- up on 3rd or 4th I think? Yeah, not a great neighborhood, even after the downtown renovations.

That's when I lived in Vegas. If so, we probably passed right by each other in the Rio. (The local's casino.) What a crazy time that was for me.

if you were there into the mid-90s. I used to go dancing at the Rio (dammit, can't even remember the name of the big club there- getting old!) in 96/97. I never worked the casinos though- too risky.

I don't really remember when I left Vegas. It was around 96. I don't keep track of those things. Don't much care. Off to Seattle.

Used to love the Benny Binions $2.00 steak dinners after 10:00. Good times.

I lived on that when I was broke. That and the free chicken dinner coupons from the Klondike.

Ah, memories...

I think I love you. Memories...

I'll see your El Cortez and raise you all you can eat crab legs at the Show Boat.

were actually really good! My ex's mother lived in the district that got all the free coupons, and she collected them from all her neighbors and gave them to us.

Ever go to the Alpine Village before it closed?

Wasn't that near Pahrump? Or somewhere out there. My girlfriend at the time knew all those places. She grew up there.

What was the ski slope? We saw a great concert there. You could see long horn sheep running around.

Had the rathskeller downstairs with the peanut shells on the floor. Closed in 97.

Trying to remember the name of the casino I saw great concerts at. Can't remember. I was into country then.

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I find the idea a little skeevy to be honest. I don't know what I find it to be as such, provided that the provider is doing it of their own free will. I don't object to people doing porn, although I don't watch it, nor do I have a problem with sex before marriage or (other) people having sex outside of a relationship. I guess it's the fact that it's so obviously a transaction without any real emotion. I think I would probably have a hard time completing my portion of the activity (pun intended).

I did once accidentally give the appearance of trying to pick one up though. It was a cold rainy night and I saw a woman standing out in the rain. I asked her if she needed a ride and she suggested that we go back to my place. I naively repeated my request and she suggested she could get a room at a near by hotel, which was when the obvious dawned on the oblivious who quickly hightailed it.

Knowing my luck, it would have been an undercover, although I doubt it with suggesting we go back to my place.

But I'm a guy - so I don't know that I fit your 'poll'.

And I have purchased time w/ a sex worker.

They were generally nice people, a bit on the colorful side as neighbors go, but perfectly friendly. As best as I could tell, the three women ran their own "shop".

and experimented with being a prostitute just to see what it was like.

Never crossed my mind to visit one.

Tijuana,'67, I was drunk.

Why would I visit a prostitute??????