baseball survived the outing of their pharm phenoms -- the crowds and cycling participants in events in my town get larger and larger these days, it seems.

Takes forever to get to town.

Actually, most these days.

I'll give him a pass

Amen.

to people to think as individual, it gives us the ability to see things others won't see.

and forced the rest of his team to cheat with him.

Lie Strong.

in their pursuit of perfection so much so that I'm beginning to think if it's really worth it anymore. Some how I think this has nothing to do with Armstrong being caught using dope, it has more to do with him pissing off somebody with tremendous connection. The dude rode a bike for how many years without ever being caught, few years later after he has retired from the sports we're suppose to suddenly believe he is a dope addict, dope is what's responsible for all those wins, you can actually see that they believe people will eat this shit up without questioning their method of pursuant, the guy was vilified vehemently by this doping body, IMO, something is definitely out of place here.

Total hogwash, people should be asking questions rather than accepting whatever is thrown at them. they have destroyed him (Armstrong) completely, the charity that he started is probably no longer viable.

why is it he was never caught during the times he won seven championships? Seven, until now.

thought this was suppose to be solid evidence on him, having 15 riders to give evidence does not change my opinion of what I think is right or wrong. People can give false evidence, it happens all the time anyone that does not know this is completely naive.

This is of the same magnitude of Ray Clemens, he was pursue and discredited just as they did with Barry Bonds. You probably don't understand the malice involved when it comes to these stars.

You still haven't read the report. Here's a direct link, if you haven't found it yet:

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/ReasonedDecision.pdf

It's a PDF, it's long. Take the time to read it. There's nothing else I can, or want to say to you until you have a more informed viewpoint.

Lance has fought the truth for over a decade with bribes, intimidation, threats, and large sums of money (arguably in the millions). He is a confirmed liar and a cheat.

His charity donates almost nothing to research, but plenty to improving Lance's image. Now read your post again...see? It works.

Is someone fighting to clear their name intimidation? Is that what you're saying?

pledging to end someone's career and/or sponsorship through connections if they don't hush something up...that's intimidation.

You really do need to read the report.

http://cyclinginvestigation.usada.org/

then others should decide to ignore you until you are better informed on the topic.

I've read the report and have also read other article pertaining to this story, I don't just read one side of a story, I try to see all sides, so I don't say something stupid as "then others should decide to ignore you until you are better informed on the topic" okay.

You are just plain wrong. Is that better? You're defending the indefensible.

Armstrong is a liar and a cheater and stole the dreams and prizes and endorsement deals of cyclers who weren't doping. He has no reputation to repair, no name to clear. Period.

and Barry Bonds.

what I did or did not say with regard to Clemens or Bonds. I was not a member here at that time and there is nothing that exists in writing of my opinion in those cases.

Name me ONE -- JUST ONE -- other BICYCLIST who is world class. Nobody's ever heard of him/her ... guaranteed.

Sigh.

Bake

Sad and pathetic, really. There are more important issues in life.

That is sad and pathetic.