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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuite an opening segment on the Ed show today by Mike Papantonio
He was discussing a few theories dealing with predictive indicators of social unrest/chaos (I wish I remember the names - was driving - but one was some sort of cloud theory, the other was a UN index of some sort) - and said that we are at a real tipping point in the US - the prediction was that within 20 years all hell will break loose unless things change (and if Romney were elected it would be much more likely, since the current grasp of everything by the super wealthy is mainly responsible).
Very sobering segment - if anyone gets to stream it later on, do so - but I don't think it will surprise anyone here.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I guess nadinbrzezinski's earlier post about a civil war, that was widely panned here, wasn't as alertist as some would have it.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,024 posts)I will try to do a bit of research later and see if I can find links to what he was referring to.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,024 posts)nadinbrzezinski
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Suffice it to say, semi pro hobby has been to follow this evolution over the last ten years.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,024 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Those concerns were fueled earlier this month when Col. Kevin Benson of the US Army's University of Foreign Military and Cultural Studies at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., published a theoretical paper in "Small Wars Journal" positing the response of the US government to an extremist militia fueled by tea party sentiments taking control of Darlington, S.C.
Thanks to a stubbornly poor economy and philosophical some would say foundational high stakes apparent in the presidential election, its clear from political blogs, letters to the editor, and word on the street that tensions are running high in the country, and that extends to politics. The recent shooting of a guard at the conservative Family Research Council by a gay rights activist supports that.
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/could-obama-re-election-incite-us-civil-war
Now this is the kind of fantasy that you also saw before the first civil war. I refuse to copy and paste, but this is from Whistle Blower Magazine. I just add it into the zeitgeist and environment we are at. As they say a marker. Yes, they have been saying this crap since Clinton got elected, but they have gotten far more strident. Secession is now openly talked about. THis is a marker.
Suffice it to say, the Editor of this mag is Farrah. But the title is suggestive of zeitgeist.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/the-tipping-point/
Then there is this Judge in Texas, a man sitting on the bench, who is ready to prepare for secession.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/08/22/texas-county-prepares-for-civil-war-after-obamas-re-election/
(I should add two local ones, one running for office who holds strange anti government views for somebody who wants to get on the bench, and another that got on the bench)
Now into the academic, here we go
http://www.die-gdi.de/CMS-Homepage/openwebcms3.nsf/(ynDK_contentByKey)/ANES-8G2GNY/$FILE/DP%208.2011.pdf
Then there is this on the origins of civil war, that actually match what I found debriefing people decades ago.
organisations that require finance and some glue to hold them together.
to rebel is the centre of much controversy and a lot of the discourse has been based on the greed
versus grievance debate.
common interests. The need to address grievances due to religion, ethnicity or class is commonly
cited as joint interests that motivates rebellion.
http://www.socsci.uci.edu/~mrgarfin/OUP/papers/Hoeffler.pdf
This is but a small example of things I found just from looking (again) at the subject.
Also, this is a personal observation, linguistically the language of civil war and it's inevitability is already here. That is not good news, in fact, that is very bad news.
Not only are we seeing this in places like DU (Ok it is a bloging site) or FR, but that add from Chris Mathews. "A cvil war that never ends" is very much part of it.
But I have found that for the most part this is now a verbotten subject in this place. I have to conclude that perhaps it's too late to stop it. For the record, I hope I am not just wrong, but dead wrong. I will say it again, despite all the fantasies that now BOTH SIDES hold, there is no honor or glory in war, just death and stench of death.
JustAnotherGen
(31,931 posts)tledford
(917 posts)that the true salvation of the country will come in the form of a second revolution, a revolution in reaction to the fascism that the country's ruling corporate elite has embraced over the course of the last 31 years.
When Ronald Reagan first ran for President in 1976, Californians who had endured him as Governor created and distributed bumper stickers exclaiming "Ronald Reagan for Fuehrer!"
Turns out they were exactly right.
jabpo22
(1 post)One of the people Mike referenced was Peter Turchin. He predicts world-wide chaos by 2020. Can't recall the UN index but I believe the cut off for civil unrest is 4.0 and the US is currently at 4.7 (or something like that).
NRaleighLiberal
(60,024 posts)and welcome to DU!