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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, let me see if I have got this straight . . .
Long before the Presidential debates even ever began, they said "these debates won't matter."
Then, after most of the talking heads on tv said that Romney won the first debate, they said "these debates will decide who will win this election."
Then, after President Obama hands Romney his ass in the last 2 debates, they said, "these debates won't make that big of a difference to the voters."
Really??
Well, this leaves me to the only obvious conclusion . . they are full of shit!
madokie
(51,076 posts)FULL of SHIT,
spot on
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)librarylu
(503 posts)I only wish the President had come down hard on why unemployment and food stamps are as they are - but it was a foreign policy debate - supposedly.
Romney was at his best when he parroted Obama's policies.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)samplegirl
(11,502 posts)JackN415
(924 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)it is and always has been obamas, wondering about the hair on fire the last handful of weeks.
Cosmocat
(14,574 posts)the last three debates, watching them collectively trying to not admit a President Obama or Vice President Biden win, while furiously sputtering, "not sure how much it will change the state of the race ..."
sinkingfeeling
(51,474 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)first election as though the last two didn't matter.
rock
(13,218 posts)It's entertainment! (OK, it's just barely entertainment).
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)Ohio Highlander
(4 posts)PPP post-debate INDYs only key stat: More/less likely to vote after debate Obama 32 more/48 less. Romney 47 more/35 less.
PPP tends to go our way...what is wrong with these people...
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Cuz that's not what I'm seeing here in this post from this morning:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/10/obama-wins-debate-by-11-points-in-swing-states.html
Obama's winning margin among critical independent voters was even larger than his overall win, with 55% of them picking him as the winner to 40% for Romney. The sense that Obama was the winner is pretty universal across different demographics groups- women (57/39), men (48/45), Hispanics (69/29), African Americans (87/13), whites (49/45), young voters (55/40), and seniors (53/43) all think Obama came out ahead tonight.
Maybe even more important than the sentiment on who won the debate is who folks in these swing states are planning to vote for now: 51% of them say they're going to support Obama to 45% who stand with Romney. That includes a 46/36 advantage for Obama with independents, and Obama also seems to have made a lot of progress with groups he was previously down by wide margins with. Among men (50/47) and whites (50/46) he is trailing only slightly and with seniors he's actually ahead 52/47.
Tonight's debate was more a win for Obama than a loss for Romney. Romney, despite losing, came out with 38% of voters now saying they're more likely to vote for him to 35% who say they're less likely to for a +3 positive spread. Obama just came out even better with 37% of voters saying they're more likely to vote for him to 31% who are less likely to for a +6 spread.
Are you posting numbers from the first debate?
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Pizza served.
AllyCat
(16,226 posts)no bump when the President and VP knock it out of the park because the debates don't matter. Our media is completely inept and probably corrupt.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)standingtall
(2,787 posts)that after the first debate the media wanted to facilitate momentum for Romney, and immediately after the 2nd, and 3rd debates the media wanted to spin it to blunt any momentum Obama might get before it could get started.
The Wizard
(12,549 posts)reason to believe the corporate/conventional media is just propaganda.
oliverrams1
(60 posts)TOO MUCH SPIN FOR ROMNEY FROM TALKING HEADS. HE CLEARLY IS NOT READY TO LEAD
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)of the first debate when the president was polite and respectful and then they are saying the President lost the second and third debates also because he was too aggressive. BS
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)On the things that they should have been talking about, i.e. fact checking Romney's jobs plan and tax cut plan, and ignoring the weekly reinventing himself. How can you put a president in the White House who will lie about everything? Now when it's too late, some are starting to focus on fact checking him. The main stream media is guilty of committing journalistic malpractice this election season,as far as I'm concerned.
Their latest miscue is the much publicized football game between the Romney family and the Press Corps which travels with him. Ann Romney scored a touchdown. I understand the benefit to Romney; what was in it for the Press Corps.
keeganspaa
(8 posts)They are for people who haven't been paying attention the past four years, people who therefore can't tell who's being honest and who's a lying scumbag.
Keegan Fife VerBurg
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BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)lobointexas
(86 posts)K Gardner
(14,933 posts)The_Counsel
(1,660 posts)...the call in the OP of "bullshit" is sustained.
First down, blue team.
treestar
(82,383 posts):kick:
ClusterFreak
(3,112 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)are paid to peddle RW propaganda.
NBachers
(17,142 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,022 posts)The reports this morning claim this debate was basically a tie because: 'both kept circling back to the economy where Romney is on sure ground' (?!?) and therefore 'we are back to the stalemate with Romney resurgent in the polls'
Ugh.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Chaos On Bullshit Mountain!
The original: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/daily-show-jon-stewart-fox-news-bullshit-mountain-romney-secret-video
Mondays update: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-22-2012/obama-s-final-campaign
Truth!
onecent
(6,096 posts)FOX NEWS OH...I love this man.
onecent
(6,096 posts)Thanks.....I was beginning to get bogged down when my neighbor across the street (he and his wife are friends of mine) and they just put up Romney Ryan and Aiken (Missouri) signs in their yard.
We had a battle of our way back in the 2 Bush campaigns..but i thought we had become friends. I feel betrayed, although the other day I walked in his rec room and what was on tv????? You guessed it, Faux News.
Oh well...I'll delete one of their votes (they are such staunch Baptists that she IS PROBABLY voting for Romney also, unfortunately)
speedoo
(11,229 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)because there's no money in it for them. As a matter of fact, they dislike the debates, because it takes ad money away from them.
nonoxy9
(236 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)And I'm afraid all the enemas in the world won't them.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)Big mistake.
I had intended to listen in so I wanted to know the time. That's all.
Instead, I get this "serious" analysis about how winning or losing the debate might center on a gaffe or just the use of a single work incorrectly, particularly among "undecideds." I don't know who the moderator was, but he was sounding...oh, so serious!
They really talk down to us, don't they?
I thought "To Hell with NPR" and turned off the radio.
libodem
(19,288 posts)What more can I say.
rivegauche
(601 posts)I truly, truly don't understand anyone who is proud to ID themselves as Repub this year. They are absolutely batshit deranged, constantly contradicting themselves, telling obvious and easy to disprove lies and offering up a joke of a candidate for POTUS. And the worst thing abou tit -- so many of them are major Kool-Aid addicts and will defend this horseshit til the end. Just insane.
Texin
(2,599 posts)CNN U.S. is owned by Time Warner. One of TW's largest single shareholders if Aviv "Vivi" Nevo, an Israeli. Does that about sum things up?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It's like this old joke:
Little Johnny's Chemistry teacher wanted to teach his class a lesson about the evils of liquor, so he set up an experiment that involved a glass of water, a glass of whiskey, and two worms.
"Now, class. Observe what happens to the two worms," said the professor putting the first worm in the glass of water. The worm in the water moved about, twisting and seemingly unharmed.
He then dropped the second work in the whiskey glass. It writhed in pain for a moment, then quickly sank to the bottom and died. "Now kids, what lesson can we derive from this experiment?" he asked.
Little Johnny raised his hand and wisely responded, "Drink whiskey and you won't get worms!"
redqueen
(115,103 posts)They make no sense. Their only job is to spin everything to benefit their corporate masters.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)number one and three will make zero difference
Number two and that real time fact checking... is where Mitt probably lost it.
But in general debates rarely make a difference.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Another thing...how is it that the polls can tell when someone will win just by looking at the 'likely voters'.
And how can they tell who voted for which candidate in the early polls. Just wondering.
dae
(3,396 posts)and I don't like Them either!
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Cha
(297,692 posts)to other stations. It's All "Chaos On Bullshit Mountain".
The mediaWhores should get TWITTER BOMBED!
bemildred
(90,061 posts)(Apologies to all Italians.)
amborin
(16,631 posts)mazzarro
(3,450 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)to advance the notion of a horserace. Keep the advertising $$$$$$ flowing in.
lib87
(535 posts)They've been treating Rmoney/Ryan ticket with kid gloves. Not calling them on half the BS they spout so they can play it as 'close race' and keep viewership high.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)I think I may go back to watching the news on PBS.