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Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:07 AM Oct 2012

So, let me see if I have got this straight . . .

Long before the Presidential debates even ever began, they said "these debates won't matter."

Then, after most of the talking heads on tv said that Romney won the first debate, they said "these debates will decide who will win this election."

Then, after President Obama hands Romney his ass in the last 2 debates, they said, "these debates won't make that big of a difference to the voters."

Really??

Well, this leaves me to the only obvious conclusion . . they are full of shit!

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So, let me see if I have got this straight . . . (Original Post) Major Hogwash Oct 2012 OP
I'll have to Kick and Rec this madokie Oct 2012 #1
That's a Bingo! nt MrScorpio Oct 2012 #2
You've got that straight librarylu Oct 2012 #3
They have to keep deluding their viewers, keep them watching. reformist2 Oct 2012 #4
So sick of the the talking heads. samplegirl Oct 2012 #5
I haven't watch talking head in years. Whenever they show up in a link. I mute it :) n/t JackN415 Oct 2012 #7
lol. so true. not listening to these twits, i am only seeing the results of states and how seabeyond Oct 2012 #6
cnn has been great Cosmocat Oct 2012 #8
Ding! Ding! Ding! You have won.... sinkingfeeling Oct 2012 #9
... except for the first debate. On Morning Joe they kept harping on Obama's loss of the ladjf Oct 2012 #10
You've got to learn not to take TV so seriously rock Oct 2012 #11
K&R Historic NY Oct 2012 #12
they do matter, and nothing good... Ohio Highlander Oct 2012 #13
Can you provide a link, please? leftynyc Oct 2012 #28
He's dead, Jim. Quantess Oct 2012 #53
Exactly. They gave a HUGE bump to RMoney after the first one, but there is AllyCat Oct 2012 #14
Kicking it Liberalynn Oct 2012 #15
It's is obvious to me standingtall Oct 2012 #16
Just another The Wizard Oct 2012 #17
THIS IS SO FAKE! oliverrams1 Oct 2012 #18
Also notice they accept the "win" Shankapotomus Oct 2012 #19
Pretty much sums it up. Yet the GOP claims the media is unfair TO THEM. nt Comrade_McKenzie Oct 2012 #20
Alsolutely correct. The media has been MIA in much of this campaign. politicaljunkie41910 Oct 2012 #21
The debates are useless keeganspaa Oct 2012 #22
That was Excellent ! ..and a warm welcome to DU. BlueJazz Oct 2012 #24
+1000 ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #30
Nicely done !! lobointexas Oct 2012 #42
This really needs to be on TV. best video EVER K Gardner Oct 2012 #52
+1. After Further Review... The_Counsel Oct 2012 #23
K&R treestar Oct 2012 #25
Absolutely true. ClusterFreak Oct 2012 #26
Yup. They aren't paid to give honest opinions - they closeupready Oct 2012 #27
Yes they're full of shit- After all, you are what you eat NBachers Oct 2012 #29
That is sure the tune NPR has been singing: FailureToCommunicate Oct 2012 #31
Must see TV from Jon Stewart SCVDem Oct 2012 #32
Ha ha ha In the first link Stewart say "Romney Campaign Headquarters" then points to a picture of onecent Oct 2012 #34
WOW...This was so nice to read. WOW...you just made my day. onecent Oct 2012 #33
A BIG kick and rec ! Nt speedoo Oct 2012 #35
They don't matter to the broadcasters RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #36
Yes. Our press is THAT messed up! nonoxy9 Oct 2012 #37
I'm going to have to agree ismnotwasm Oct 2012 #38
Listening to TV for news is like listening to cheerleaders for the score of a football game. KurtNYC Oct 2012 #39
Last evening I turned on NPR to find out the time of the debate KansDem Oct 2012 #40
Agree libodem Oct 2012 #41
yep, pretty much rivegauche Oct 2012 #43
They're definitely listening to the Corporate Masters' dog whistle Texin Oct 2012 #44
I like watching them squirm.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #45
Yes they are. redqueen Oct 2012 #46
I will qualify it nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #47
That's the way I heard it too! Stellar Oct 2012 #48
They are full of it, dae Oct 2012 #49
KAY & ARE. You are more than correct in calling BS on the media Populist_Prole Oct 2012 #50
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2012 #51
Fox's "Bullshit Mountain" has extended Cha Oct 2012 #54
First rule of Italian driving: "What is behind me is not important." bemildred Oct 2012 #55
K&R amborin Oct 2012 #56
That is absolutely TRUE! They are full of BS.... -- n/t mazzarro Oct 2012 #57
And, they will never have hemorrhoids - they are perfect assholes. Marie Marie Oct 2012 #58
Anything Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2012 #59
Right On! lib87 Oct 2012 #61
I've completely stopped watching CNN liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #60

librarylu

(503 posts)
3. You've got that straight
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:14 AM
Oct 2012

I only wish the President had come down hard on why unemployment and food stamps are as they are - but it was a foreign policy debate - supposedly.

Romney was at his best when he parroted Obama's policies.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
6. lol. so true. not listening to these twits, i am only seeing the results of states and how
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:20 AM
Oct 2012

it is and always has been obamas, wondering about the hair on fire the last handful of weeks.

Cosmocat

(14,574 posts)
8. cnn has been great
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:36 AM
Oct 2012

the last three debates, watching them collectively trying to not admit a President Obama or Vice President Biden win, while furiously sputtering, "not sure how much it will change the state of the race ..."

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
10. ... except for the first debate. On Morning Joe they kept harping on Obama's loss of the
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:48 AM
Oct 2012

first election as though the last two didn't matter.

rock

(13,218 posts)
11. You've got to learn not to take TV so seriously
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:49 AM
Oct 2012

It's entertainment! (OK, it's just barely entertainment).

 

Ohio Highlander

(4 posts)
13. they do matter, and nothing good...
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:11 AM
Oct 2012

PPP post-debate INDYs only key stat: “More/less likely to vote after debate” – Obama 32 more/48 less. Romney 47 more/35 less.
PPP tends to go our way...what is wrong with these people...

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
28. Can you provide a link, please?
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:25 AM
Oct 2012

Cuz that's not what I'm seeing here in this post from this morning:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/10/obama-wins-debate-by-11-points-in-swing-states.html

Obama's winning margin among critical independent voters was even larger than his overall win, with 55% of them picking him as the winner to 40% for Romney. The sense that Obama was the winner is pretty universal across different demographics groups- women (57/39), men (48/45), Hispanics (69/29), African Americans (87/13), whites (49/45), young voters (55/40), and seniors (53/43) all think Obama came out ahead tonight.

Maybe even more important than the sentiment on who won the debate is who folks in these swing states are planning to vote for now: 51% of them say they're going to support Obama to 45% who stand with Romney. That includes a 46/36 advantage for Obama with independents, and Obama also seems to have made a lot of progress with groups he was previously down by wide margins with. Among men (50/47) and whites (50/46) he is trailing only slightly and with seniors he's actually ahead 52/47.

Tonight's debate was more a win for Obama than a loss for Romney. Romney, despite losing, came out with 38% of voters now saying they're more likely to vote for him to 35% who say they're less likely to for a +3 positive spread. Obama just came out even better with 37% of voters saying they're more likely to vote for him to 31% who are less likely to for a +6 spread.


Are you posting numbers from the first debate?


AllyCat

(16,226 posts)
14. Exactly. They gave a HUGE bump to RMoney after the first one, but there is
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:13 AM
Oct 2012

no bump when the President and VP knock it out of the park because the debates don't matter. Our media is completely inept and probably corrupt.

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
16. It's is obvious to me
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:19 AM
Oct 2012

that after the first debate the media wanted to facilitate momentum for Romney, and immediately after the 2nd, and 3rd debates the media wanted to spin it to blunt any momentum Obama might get before it could get started.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
19. Also notice they accept the "win"
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:34 AM
Oct 2012

of the first debate when the president was polite and respectful and then they are saying the President lost the second and third debates also because he was too aggressive. BS

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
21. Alsolutely correct. The media has been MIA in much of this campaign.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:41 AM
Oct 2012

On the things that they should have been talking about, i.e. fact checking Romney's jobs plan and tax cut plan, and ignoring the weekly reinventing himself. How can you put a president in the White House who will lie about everything? Now when it's too late, some are starting to focus on fact checking him. The main stream media is guilty of committing journalistic malpractice this election season,as far as I'm concerned.

Their latest miscue is the much publicized football game between the Romney family and the Press Corps which travels with him. Ann Romney scored a touchdown. I understand the benefit to Romney; what was in it for the Press Corps.

keeganspaa

(8 posts)
22. The debates are useless
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:50 AM
Oct 2012

They are for people who haven't been paying attention the past four years, people who therefore can't tell who's being honest and who's a lying scumbag.

Keegan Fife VerBurg
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FailureToCommunicate

(14,022 posts)
31. That is sure the tune NPR has been singing:
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:37 AM
Oct 2012

The reports this morning claim this debate was basically a tie because: 'both kept circling back to the economy where Romney is on sure ground' (?!?) and therefore 'we are back to the stalemate with Romney resurgent in the polls'

Ugh.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
34. Ha ha ha In the first link Stewart say "Romney Campaign Headquarters" then points to a picture of
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:19 PM
Oct 2012

FOX NEWS OH...I love this man.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
33. WOW...This was so nice to read. WOW...you just made my day.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 12:10 PM
Oct 2012

Thanks.....I was beginning to get bogged down when my neighbor across the street (he and his wife are friends of mine) and they just put up Romney Ryan and Aiken (Missouri) signs in their yard.

We had a battle of our way back in the 2 Bush campaigns..but i thought we had become friends. I feel betrayed, although the other day I walked in his rec room and what was on tv????? You guessed it, Faux News.

Oh well...I'll delete one of their votes (they are such staunch Baptists that she IS PROBABLY voting for Romney also, unfortunately)

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
36. They don't matter to the broadcasters
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:16 PM
Oct 2012

because there's no money in it for them. As a matter of fact, they dislike the debates, because it takes ad money away from them.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
40. Last evening I turned on NPR to find out the time of the debate
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:42 PM
Oct 2012

Big mistake.

I had intended to listen in so I wanted to know the time. That's all.

Instead, I get this "serious" analysis about how winning or losing the debate might center on a gaffe or just the use of a single work incorrectly, particularly among "undecideds." I don't know who the moderator was, but he was sounding...oh, so serious!

They really talk down to us, don't they?

I thought "To Hell with NPR" and turned off the radio.

rivegauche

(601 posts)
43. yep, pretty much
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 03:54 PM
Oct 2012

I truly, truly don't understand anyone who is proud to ID themselves as Repub this year. They are absolutely batshit deranged, constantly contradicting themselves, telling obvious and easy to disprove lies and offering up a joke of a candidate for POTUS. And the worst thing abou tit -- so many of them are major Kool-Aid addicts and will defend this horseshit til the end. Just insane.

Texin

(2,599 posts)
44. They're definitely listening to the Corporate Masters' dog whistle
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 04:05 PM
Oct 2012

CNN U.S. is owned by Time Warner. One of TW's largest single shareholders if Aviv "Vivi" Nevo, an Israeli. Does that about sum things up?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
45. I like watching them squirm....
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 04:11 PM
Oct 2012

It's like this old joke:

Little Johnny's Chemistry teacher wanted to teach his class a lesson about the evils of liquor, so he set up an experiment that involved a glass of water, a glass of whiskey, and two worms.

"Now, class. Observe what happens to the two worms," said the professor putting the first worm in the glass of water. The worm in the water moved about, twisting and seemingly unharmed.

He then dropped the second work in the whiskey glass. It writhed in pain for a moment, then quickly sank to the bottom and died. "Now kids, what lesson can we derive from this experiment?" he asked.

Little Johnny raised his hand and wisely responded, "Drink whiskey and you won't get worms!"

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
46. Yes they are.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 04:12 PM
Oct 2012

They make no sense. Their only job is to spin everything to benefit their corporate masters.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
47. I will qualify it
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 04:14 PM
Oct 2012

number one and three will make zero difference

Number two and that real time fact checking... is where Mitt probably lost it.

But in general debates rarely make a difference.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
48. That's the way I heard it too!
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 04:22 PM
Oct 2012

Another thing...how is it that the polls can tell when someone will win just by looking at the 'likely voters'.

And how can they tell who voted for which candidate in the early polls. Just wondering.

Cha

(297,692 posts)
54. Fox's "Bullshit Mountain" has extended
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:28 PM
Oct 2012

to other stations. It's All "Chaos On Bullshit Mountain".

The mediaWhores should get TWITTER BOMBED!

lib87

(535 posts)
61. Right On!
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:31 AM
Oct 2012

They've been treating Rmoney/Ryan ticket with kid gloves. Not calling them on half the BS they spout so they can play it as 'close race' and keep viewership high.

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