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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGloria Allred will be in a Boston area courtroom Wednesday to unseal the sworn testimony
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/gloria-allred-mitt-romney-october-surprise-gag-order
Famed civil rights attorney Gloria Allred will be in a Boston area courtroom Wednesday in an attempt to unseal the sworn testimony given by Republican Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, in a prior court case, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.
"The Boston Globe is headed to court tomorrow morning for an emergency hearing in an attempt to obtain a court order to unseal the sworn testimony given by Mitt Romney in a prior court case and to lift a gag order so that the parties can speak about Romney. Gloria Allred will be in court representing one of the parties in the case," a source close to the situation tells RadarOnline.com.
The emergency hearing will take place at the Norfolk Probate & Family Court in Canton, Massachusetts, and Justice Jennifer Ulwick will oversee the proceedings which will begin at 9 a.m. EST.
FSogol
(45,527 posts)Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)That maybe just maybe he was trying to distract from the Gloria Allred rumored October surprise.
FSogol
(45,527 posts)Bank on it.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)crunch60
(1,412 posts)Wednesday and drop the bomb, if she has one.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)someone gave Drudge a tip and he gave everyone a heads up, to force her hand.
crunch60
(1,412 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)When Romney's camp knew the horrific and documented "scissor brutalizing" story, they immediately sent Queen Ann out beforehand to "chat" with the media how Mitt had loved to pull pranks when he was young. This was to preempt the bad story.
The Trump story is to preempt the Allred story.
I believe you called this one.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)T'was the FIRST thing that came to mind when I heard of the Donald's quacking!
Texin
(2,597 posts)Same hamfisted tactics he uses every year to boost his show's ratings.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)But I bet it doesn't get unsealed.
MissNostalgia
(159 posts)I agree, Im not allowing myself to become to excited.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)to throw mud to counterbalance Trump's divorce or coke sale story. If Trump's story is about divorce then the Dems win the news cycle, if it's about coke, the Thugs win it.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,215 posts)Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)Don't you think?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,215 posts)jsmirman
(4,507 posts)Enough said.
monmouth
(21,078 posts)crazylikafox
(2,762 posts)She didn't want to kiss him.....
sad sally
(2,627 posts)for dear life - like he was about to leave her or something.
FSogol
(45,527 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,472 posts)Not sure what it's about, but really, Allred isn't that well-respected these days.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Jeez.
Beaverhausen
(24,472 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)"The Boston Globe is headed to court tomorrow morning for an emergency hearing in an attempt to obtain a court order to unseal the sworn testimony given by Mitt Romney in a prior court case and to lift a gag order so that the parties can speak about Romney."
Two items:
1. unseal the sworn testimony given by Mitt Romney
....and....
2. lift a gag order so that the parties can speak about Romney
enough
(13,262 posts)chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)Remember, this is family court and there could be parties here that never felt justice got served. So, the party looking to unseal a document could just be someone looking for payback even if there is nothing really there.
femrap
(13,418 posts)respect her, but a helofalot of women do.
I've read how horribly Mi$$ has treated Mormon women...he was some kind of 'bishop' in Boston. What he said had to be obeyed.
Remember Mormon women are here for: "To bear, to rear, to love."
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)femrap
(13,418 posts)some kind of Mormon language? Or just German? I took French.....oooh la la!!
AspenRose
(14,916 posts).
I guess I strike out on all three....except I can cook when I'm in the mood...just not everyday.
Hekate
(90,827 posts)Might have been invented by Kaiser Wilhelm, or it might just be an antique model of the perfect German woman, but it certainly served (so the speak) the aims of dictators.
Woman's place: bearing and caring for children, cooking for the family, and praying in the church. Period.
femrap
(13,418 posts)explains why my relatives left Germany!
What a horrible life.
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)She has been a huge advocate for women and their civil rights for decades upon decades, and her firm does a huge amount of pro bono work.
Because of this, I excuse her occasional grandstanding.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,472 posts)and if you don't think this could backfire, you're just naive.
We don't really know what it's about, so I think we shouldn't get our hopes up.
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OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)jsmirman
(4,507 posts)Allred has nothing to do with the Obama campaign.
She isn't a prominent surrogate or a surrogate of any kind.
If it's something damaging to Romney, great.
If it's not, it will impact people's opinion of Allred, not of Mitt, and certainly not of Obama.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)but it is necessary to have some lawyers who do this in her line of work.
I doubt that the court will unseal anything without a long appeals process.
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WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)flamingdem
(39,328 posts)woo hoo!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)flamingdem
(39,328 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Boston Globe? This could be important to the election.
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)femrap
(13,418 posts)a child born out of wedlock?
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Best bet.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)Okay, okay, idle speculation! LOL!!
femrap
(13,418 posts)that would be too damn sweet! And the baby was born in Mexico, right? Just like George Romney was born in Mexico... due to the anti-polygamy rules here in the US.
I bet it's a daughter and he didn't want her around...after all he has 5 boyz.
I like your idle speculation!
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)if it's not this speculation, it sure would make a very believable novel...
I think the name Rielle's already been dropped somewhere around here...
demwing
(16,916 posts)and has he supported that child, and claimed the child as a dependent? Is that why he won't release his tax records?
Tikki
(14,559 posts)Tikki
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)an anchor baby...tax returns...
If that turns out to be true, I'll remember THIS thread....
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)I like the way you think!
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)maybe after years of keeping them in one of the attics, they adopted them out. lol.
glinda
(14,807 posts)RandySF
(59,238 posts)In Michigan, that dealt with estates, inheritance and (I think) custody matters. This sounds messy.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Would be a valid reason for a gag order. Mitt pays, no one talks.
RandySF
(59,238 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)I think Ann secretly hates him. Some people will do distasteful things for a payoff.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Romney has no enemies, but all his friends despise him intensely.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)He was a beautiful man once. Most unfortunately, his insides started manifesting on his outsides. He is ugly now. (but not to the deeply, deeply closeted conservative white males who will never admit to having homoerotic fantasies).
Texin
(2,597 posts)That would involve estate matters, divorces and child custody and support issues.
I'm not optimistic that things would be unsealed, but the Globe will certainly be all over this and probably dreging up court records that could point to what's the crux of the issue at hand here.
outsideworld
(601 posts)Going to be good
cags
(1,914 posts)Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)Response to Champion Jack (Reply #31)
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cags
(1,914 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)We should be cautious of these type of stories. Just saying.
femrap
(13,418 posts)couple of days. Remember what Allred did to the eBay CEO woman running for gov against Jerry Brown????
Allred doesn't yell 'wolf.' And if this is in Boston where Mi$$ is NOT liked at all (400 vetos were overturned).
This could be my early Xmas present.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)It was 800 vetos.
femrap
(13,418 posts)grown adult child lives in Boston and she visits him often and kept up with MA politics. She told me it was 400, but I can go with 800!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Of course, it could be anything. He could have testified as a character witness in someone else's domestic case, for instance.
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)If this undermines Mitt's clean image as a "good family man" then Mitt's presidential hopes will go up in flames.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)if the gag order is lifted then the injured party can begin spilling the beans immediately.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)cags
(1,914 posts)speculation and mistrust
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Totally agree! Allred is acting on behalf of her client not anyone else. Wondering what will come of it, if anything is just human nature.
krawhitham
(4,647 posts)krawhitham
(4,647 posts)Response to krawhitham (Reply #55)
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jsmirman
(4,507 posts)lucky Ulwick
Lex
(34,108 posts)Anyone know?
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)Maybe because it involved a juvenile who is now an adult? Can they ask for that after they reach their majority?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Family court plus gag order doesn't look good for Willard.
RagAss
(13,832 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)What are the chances the gag order will be lifted and the testimony will be unsealed?
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)until sometime next decade.
BUT, when we learn the identify of her client, who is apparently under a gag order, we can work backwards and it might prove interesting. Does the client look like Mitt? Does she/he have a child which could be Mitt's? Was Mitt a party or a witness?
The man has more money than God. Gag orders are usually used when money is involved: If you talk about the case, you have to pay the money back. What kind of case went far enough that Mitt had to testify? And then pay her off? Or did he testify about something in connection with his chruch duties? Or is it a contested probate matter and he testified about what the deceased told him s/he wanted done with his/her property?
I got nothing.
onecent
(6,096 posts)win_in_06
(1,764 posts)We are winning. Why do we need this type of stuff? It appears desperate.
krawhitham
(4,647 posts)This is a free country correct?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)flamingdem
(39,328 posts)They should get a tip if she's truly the supporter she claims to be
Texin
(2,597 posts)Don't know if was related or she was just handing him a political donation, but the timing's certainly interesting. And then there is the odd Trump thing coming tomorrow. Coincidence? I think not.
rainlillie
(1,095 posts)I'm not buying that the President met with her. This seems to me to be a case of trying to tie him to whatever dirt comes out about Mitt.
rainlillie
(1,095 posts)I hope the MSM won't start hounding him/her. Regardless of who the parents are, the child is innocent. I also think the right-wing hate is so intense for the President, they don't care what comes out about Mitt, they're still going to vote for him.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the wdnutz, of course. Byline: jerome corsi
gateley
(62,683 posts)Gloria Allred reportedly met with President Obama during a campaign fundraiser at the Nokia Theater in L.A. earlier this month.
She told TMZ about the meeting, I just thanked him for being the great president that he is and let him know the work that I do. And he indicated that he was very well aware of the work that I do and liked the work that I did and was very very kind.
She added, He said to the people there she is one of the best attorneys in our country. So that was very very kind of him.
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13231337-republicans-scared-of-proobama-lawyer-gloria-allreds-october-surprise
redwitch
(14,947 posts)I would like to know.
randome
(34,845 posts)If it's something really useful, the WH doesn't want to look like they are in collusion.
If she truly has something, she just needs to get it out there.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)citizen who wishes to speak publicly.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)they should be okay. And given that it is happening in Massachusetts, it is quite likely OFA will ignore it.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)only the client has the right to ask her to stand down.
Tikki
(14,559 posts)at one time or another.
Tikki
Richard D
(8,774 posts)onenote
(42,767 posts)First, the jurisdiction of the Family and Probate court includes the following: wills, trusts and related matters. Also family law issues including divorce, support, custody and adoptions.
Second, earlier this year a couple of Boston Globe reporters wrote a book about Romney that claimed that he had pressured an unmarried women in his church to put her baby up for adoption. It could be that there was another adoption case or custody case in which Romney, in his role as a church leader, testified and his testimony, which was put under seal, will make him look bad. The fact that its the Globe that is seeking to unseal the testimony makes this a plausible speculation.
TBF
(32,098 posts)than out of wedlock kids ... he would go to great lengths, I think, to pay off in such a situation and be sure it wouldn't come back to haunt him. But his influence in another case might be something out there.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)kind of "spiritual" coercion.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)get the red out
(13,468 posts)If it could be shown that he pressured a woman to give up their child for adoption that could keep a lot religious folks from bothering to go vote for him.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)and he will cry ala Jimmy Swaggart I have sinned all will be forgiven and they will say we are being petty This shit only hurts democrats
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)SICK of pusillanimous Democrats.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Obama withstood the heat, and set the bar pretty fucking high.
If you can't stand the heat, don't sit in the seat.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)The lying sack of corporate shit has it coming.......every single bit of it.
Let 'er rip!
win_in_06
(1,764 posts)They would drag out some old Jeremiah Wright footage to counter, no doubt.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)and has withstood all of that plus some. Dirty laundry has been aired and used against him in every and any form and whatever they do will be nothing but old, stale non-news.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)flamingdem
(39,328 posts)but that was not explained
Texin
(2,597 posts)Dockets, case numbers, dates. This would have happened in the mid-90's (probably) and there's a pretty good chance that records might be searchable online.
Interestingly, since the records were sealed, the implication is there that it's in the 'best interest' of a paricular person in the suit (i.e., minor child). I wouldn't bet my house on this, but I've got a sneaky suspicion that it does involve a child and perhaps paternity and support payments. If you do the quick math, if a child were to have been born in 1994, said child would be 18 years old now. The article mentions two parties in the suit. Maybe a mother and her now adult young child?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)dependency/custody issues are sealed.
malaise
(269,174 posts)Melissa G
(10,170 posts)malaise
(269,174 posts)Melissa G
(10,170 posts)sadbear
(4,340 posts)See who Romney sends to represent his interests in court.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)sounds delicious!
easttexaslefty
(1,554 posts)a family member. Maybe it was invested by cps or something. He is a bully.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)but yeah, he is creepy enough looking
DCBob
(24,689 posts)with something "very big".
HipChick
(25,485 posts)grok
(550 posts)What Gloria needs for is for Romney to make a flat out(don't know anything, never heard of him/her) denial after which she can trickles out little undeniable truths. Works great as long as Romney takes the bait.
What interests me is the Trump factor.
I can think of one scenario that *might* play out:
Trump threatens to "expose" Obama hours before Allred is scheduled to do the same to Romney.
Romney "publicly" appeals to Trump to back down and keep Obama's family private business out of public view. Trump "reluctantly backs down. We never learn if it is actually anything shocking. And Romney looks good by being "gracious" and "magnanimous"
Obama never tells Gloria to stand down, Gloria goes ahead. I haven't the foggiest what she has on Romney but it must seem bad, at least to her.
Now Obama looks like a heel for not appearing "magnanimous" as well.
Obama says he has nothing to do with Allred. But it's too late.
This all reminds me of a film Henry Fonda made about political scandal.
jackbenimble
(251 posts)krawhitham
(4,647 posts)Romney, Stemberg and Maureen were all served papers by the Globe notifying them that the paper was trying to unseal the case and lift the gag order enforced on all parties.
According to an article in the Boston Globe in 2005, Maureen received nearly 500,000 shares of Staples stock in the divorce ... but sold have her shares before the company went public.
Our sources say Tom has filed papers opposing the Globe's motion. Romney's lawyers have not responded.
...
We're told Gloria Allred represents someone connected with the divorce and we believe -- though we have not confirmed it -- that is Maureen.
http://www.tmz.com/2012/10/23/mitt-romney-divorce-thomas-stemberg-maureen-staples-gloria-allred-boston-globe/
grok
(550 posts)Thomas is still a friend and supports Romney. Which means to me Romney is unlikely to have been messing with his wife,
UNLESS it was something like this....
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/senate-race-sex-scandal
Note that it took months for those records to be unsealed.
It's not going to happen in just two weeks.,
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Romney was pals with the CEO of Staples and testified on his behalf and against his wife Maureen in their divorce. A documentary film was made about Maureen and the injustice done to her. Her husband cut her off from her from her health insurance while she had cervical and thyroid cancer and Romney helped him do it.
http://www.divorce360.com/blogs/2008/10/30/dorene-page/movie-about-scorned-exwife-of-staples-founder-blog-15646
"...Movie About Scorned Ex-Wife of Staples Founder
The Maureen Sullivan Stemberg Story: A Portrait in Courage is a film about her battle with her ex, the founder of staples, to get a fair divorce settlement.
According to the article, her ex cut off her health insurance even though she had cervical and thyroid cancer. Strangely enough, her ex worked with Mitt Romney on the subject of everyone having a right to health insurance.
Maureen still battles immune deficiencies, and filed bankruptcy because of her money problems with her ex. She's writing a book about immune deficiencies called, "Looks Are Deceiving". That one will be a must read for me, because of my illnesses and the fact that even though I'm very sick, I don't look like someone who's disease ridden. ..."
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)now in several posts.
Don't pretend to know what is precisely in the documentary and then take umbrage on your imaginings.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)From the full press release:
"Maureen Sullivan Stemberg will provide an in-depth account in this first-time tell all tale of the interweaving relationships and strange bedfellow that business has made in her life. Such luminaries include former Governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney - who was the former Republican nominee in the 2008 Presidential campaign, as well as one of the first major investors for Staples while he was employed by Bain Capital, Boston, MA. This story will include the injustice of the Mass. Probate Justice system. Other heavy hitting names have yet to be released in this as of yet untold story including Dola Davis Hamilton Stemberg."
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/10/prweb1536704.htm
Perhaps this prompted the gag order.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)VERY DIFFICULT, indeed, IMPOSSIBLE for Romney to explain away, IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
There is ZERO "wiggle room" here for Romney, since he showcased the ex-husband rich guy at the Convention.
grok
(550 posts)keep in mind this is second-hand. till somebody has a better link from the boston herald directly....
http://forum.purseblog.com/general-discussion/should-wealthy-executives-ex-wife-get-more-money-44446.html
...............
Staples founders ex-wife: Ill be out on the street
By Margery Eagan
Boston Herald Columnist
Sunday, September 3, 2006
Maureen Sullivan Stemberg, ex-wife of Staples founder, sits in her $5,200 a month, 14th-floor, concierge-at-the-door, elegantly furnished Back Bay apartment and tells you shes broke. She cant work. She cant afford a car, her medications, her rent, even the family springer spaniel, J.J., who she just gave away.
She produces doctors notes detailing medical woes: possible lupus, bouts of pneumonia requiring hospitalizations, a history of cancer, petit mal seizures, plus recommendations for thrice weekly psychotherapy and psychiatry. She says her insurance wont cover mental health care.
Im going to be out on the street, says Sullivan Stemberg, a tiny, 50-ish woman who alternates between an overanxious recitation of worries, and tears. Ive had a change of circumstances.
And now she wants her ex-husband, Tom Stemberg, whose worth has been estimated at upwards of $150 million, to dramatically increase his support, guarantee health insurance forever and buy her another home in a concierge building. Im sicker and thinner every day, she says. Im not asking for anything more than he did for his other wife and girlfriend.
...................
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)now that she has LUPUS?
Romney down-played the worth of Staples stock UNDER OATH in order to reduce Maureen's settlement.
Now go ruminate over THAT.
grok
(550 posts)Just providing more info for others to verify, exand and extrapolate on.
The more info, the better. Not less.
cherish44
(2,566 posts)Both Trump and Allred are self-serving, narcissistic attention whores who just want to get their names in the news.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)promotes.
The two are not in the least equivalent.
And more to the point: Why are you on Romney's side here?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Astazia
(262 posts)He testified in his longtime friend & business buddy's divorce re: stock value less than market estimates. (public record for the most part ) The thing is...if my memory serves me...like a month or so after this divorce was settled, Staples went public. (the shares were worth much more then)
I hope it is something about his blatant dishonesty whether it's about his taxes, his history with women as Bishop in the LDS, or perhaps something to do with an illegal act be it perjury or financial scheming.
As far as Bollocks Trump is concerned it's a tie between ratings grabber for CA, or just something he thinks will distract ppl from whatever GA is presenting to be unsealed.
I won't get my hopes up. Could it be an ctober surprise? (in the best of ways)
eppur_se_muova
(36,290 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,290 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Campaigning to see who can reach the bottom first. The Donald will edge her out, just barely.
Megahurtz
(7,046 posts)Go Gloria!!!