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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:19 AM Oct 2012

If God makes rapists rape you...

...what the heck is Satan for?


(I know the theological answer, but most of American Heartland Christianity *as practiced* is a Manichean heresy of some sort where God and Satan compete. Few rank-and-file American "bible-believing" Christians who believe that Evolution is a lie promulgated by Satan believe that God created the lie of evolution and permited Satan to promulgate that lie, since everything is God's will and creation.)

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If God makes rapists rape you... (Original Post) cthulu2016 Oct 2012 OP
good one!! mshasta Oct 2012 #1
Where did Cain's wife come from? DefenseLawyer Oct 2012 #2
Cain's wife came from Nod. Fawke Em Oct 2012 #6
The first people were his mom and dad, right? DefenseLawyer Oct 2012 #10
Serious answer cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #11
Bingo! sofa king Oct 2012 #41
Yes. Who was Enoch's mother? nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #13
What about Adam's first wife Lillith? Bandit Oct 2012 #14
She went onto create thinkers. Fawke Em Oct 2012 #35
I was making a Biblical JOKE Fawke Em Oct 2012 #33
For making stupid, evil Politicians. /nt Drale Oct 2012 #3
To welcome the rapist to hell? Hepburn Oct 2012 #4
In evangelical circles, God is omnipotent and in full control. Satan actually does God's will thereismore Oct 2012 #5
That's among evangelical theologians cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #8
True, they are all hypocrites about it. nt thereismore Oct 2012 #12
Case in point —here is Mourdock's walk-back of his comment cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #15
That's what they say also. Satan has "free will" in contradiction to God's supposed omnipotence and thereismore Oct 2012 #17
Though God knows everything Satan will do with that free will cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #19
Well Done, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2012 #28
Yup. God has no free will, assuming he exists of course. nt thereismore Oct 2012 #47
No you uneducated knuckle dragger Caretha Oct 2012 #29
Satan is god’s creation but he (and the other angels) have free will, same as mankind. DawgHouse Oct 2012 #18
God loves all of us, but allows us fuck up so that we can then be punished for all eternity. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #24
Yep. Not only that but he knows before you're even born if you're going to hell or not. DawgHouse Oct 2012 #26
For sure about that one. It never pays to try to engage in a "discussion" with a fundamentalist Grammy23 Oct 2012 #37
What kind of God moondust Oct 2012 #23
In other words, their god is a giant A-hole. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #44
It's one of those dualisms Lithos Oct 2012 #7
Heavy Metal PD Turk Oct 2012 #9
Make sure everybody experiences a little kinky sex during their lifetime snooper2 Oct 2012 #16
Satan obviously exists to tempt raped women to get abortions, silly. tk2kewl Oct 2012 #20
And to hide fake dinosaur bones to trick people into believing in evolution. n/t DefenseLawyer Oct 2012 #22
Don't you love it when the GOP (God's Only Prophets) rustydog Oct 2012 #21
Well to illustrate the mentality here in Indiana... BlueIndyBlue Oct 2012 #25
Satan was created to poke you in your little tookus with a pitchfork if you misbehave. Duh! DawgHouse Oct 2012 #27
I think Mourdock is Rosemary's Baby napkinz Oct 2012 #30
Doesn't that make god a co-conspirator and liable under law? MattBaggins Oct 2012 #31
Well it is the same God who arranged for Lot to screw his daughters. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #32
Satan is the monster who wants you to have access to affordable healthcare while you're pregnant Azathoth Oct 2012 #34
Excellent! ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #36
Romney/Ryan ... spread the word (their words) napkinz Oct 2012 #38
Interesting aside, off topic, but... lapislzi Oct 2012 #39
it would appear God is 'into' Bondage or S&M Sheepshank Oct 2012 #40
Bondage ... Binders ... Big Bird ... napkinz Oct 2012 #43
Satan is there to entice women to enjoy sex. God wants them to hate it. Kablooie Oct 2012 #42
If rape is a gift from God Shankapotomus Oct 2012 #45
The vast majority of religions Aerows Oct 2012 #46
Quality control KansDem Oct 2012 #48
latest on Facebook ... napkinz Oct 2012 #49
 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
10. The first people were his mom and dad, right?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:35 AM
Oct 2012

Built there in the garden. If the first people were Cain's parents how was there a woman somewhere else that Cain could marry?

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
11. Serious answer
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:38 AM
Oct 2012

Genesis is the story of the creation of the jews, not of mankind.

Fundamentalist Christian answer... there isn't one.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
41. Bingo!
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:40 AM
Oct 2012

Just look at what the names of tribes around the world mean, and you'll find that a great many of them name themselves things like, "The Real People," "The Chosen Ones," "The Human Beings."

The implication being that everyone not of that tribe is not "people," and sometimes not even human. The Bible is all about defining "people" differently from the way we define people today. Those who aren't "people" have no rights, can be dealt with treacherously, and are unworthy of mention in the canon except as opponents and loot.

Sometimes that definition is further refined. Look for an un-scrubbed translation of Numbers 31 and you will find something like this: "and of human beings -- of the women who have not known the lying of a male -- all the persons are two and thirty thousand."

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
35. She went onto create thinkers.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:16 AM
Oct 2012

The same as Jesus' wife, Mary Magdelene.

Anyone who thinks at 33-year-old Jewish man wasn't married in those days is a fool.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
5. In evangelical circles, God is omnipotent and in full control. Satan actually does God's will
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:25 AM
Oct 2012

because even Satan is God's creation, therefore God has complete control over him. This is why the rape=God's will sits squarely with evangelical beliefs.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
8. That's among evangelical theologians
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:28 AM
Oct 2012

In my experience, rank and file "bible-believing christians" do not accept that in practice.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
15. Case in point —here is Mourdock's walk-back of his comment
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:41 AM
Oct 2012
"God creates life, and that was my point. God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that he does. Rape is a horrible thing, and for anyone to twist my words otherwise is absurd and sick," stated Richard Mourdock.


A theologically sound explanation would lose him the election, costing him the votes of some of the most faithful.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
17. That's what they say also. Satan has "free will" in contradiction to God's supposed omnipotence and
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:44 AM
Oct 2012

omniscience. If you press them on it, the theologian will say "it's a divine mystery" and there it ends.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
19. Though God knows everything Satan will do with that free will
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:50 AM
Oct 2012

but God does not change what he knows Satan will do...

So God lacks free will.

But we pray to him in hopes he will change his mind... which he won't, to a degree so monstrous in practice it suggests that he cannot..

But Satan can, because he has free will. So it only makes sense to pray to Satan.

QED.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
29. No you uneducated knuckle dragger
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:25 PM
Oct 2012

God does not create life! Egg meets sperm creates life. Simple as that.

Edited to add - I don't mean you cthulu2016, just thought I should clarify

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
18. Satan is god’s creation but he (and the other angels) have free will, same as mankind.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:46 AM
Oct 2012

At least that’s what I was always taught in my fundamentalist years.

God can control Satan but chooses not too because he prefers that mankind make the “right” choice on their own.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
24. God loves all of us, but allows us fuck up so that we can then be punished for all eternity.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:06 PM
Oct 2012

Seems that God does NOT love all of us, for if he did, he would not allow that to happen.

Either that, or God is just another cruel deity, like all the other sky deities, since he allows us to be created with the foreknowledge that some will be condemned to horrific punishment even before they are conceived.

Some all-loving god, there.

Grammy23

(5,815 posts)
37. For sure about that one. It never pays to try to engage in a "discussion" with a fundamentalist
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:26 AM
Oct 2012

because they have an answer for everything. The convenient thing for them is that none of their answers have to make sense and do not have to have any logic. If you present inconsistencies from the Bible, they close their ears ( the ear lobes fold up into the ear canal) and they refuse to listen to you. Or they have a canned answer that they got from the "authority" at their church. I know that is how this works because my daughter in law used that tactic once on me. Then I got wise and realized it was a lost cause. And yes, she did tell me that she got her information from "authorities". Scary.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
23. What kind of God
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:05 PM
Oct 2012

would allow the Holocaust to happen?

I've read that some Jews who survived the death camps asked that question and concluded that either God is not good or there is no God, and they gave up on religion altogether.

Lithos

(26,404 posts)
7. It's one of those dualisms
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:28 AM
Oct 2012

Satan made the person rape you; God took the opportunity to "gift" you with a baby. Nevermind of course that you will now be reminded of Satan's work for the rest of your life and nevermind that the laws would allow the rapist to maintain full contact with you and your child and nevermind that this could be some figure (family member, etc.) whose presence would threaten you and your child as well.

Job should have been so lucky.

L-

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
21. Don't you love it when the GOP (God's Only Prophets)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:57 AM
Oct 2012

hijack God, claim to be the official spokespersons for God and then do and say such UnGodly things:

Women who are legitimately raped can't get pregnant.
Some women rape so easily?
If you have been raped, and become pregnant, IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD?????

What do these socially, mentally, ethically, physically, psychologically retarded Republicans actually think rape is: a scene out of a porn flick with the "cool" music, the woman saying;" no, no" then yelling "YES, YES?"
Do they think a woman can't be raped?

Wow, the hatred, the misogyny is stunning. And there are still women Republicans, I just don't get it.

BlueIndyBlue

(96 posts)
25. Well to illustrate the mentality here in Indiana...
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:14 PM
Oct 2012

check out this quote from a Facebook post on a local TV station's report of Rmoney pulling his endorsement of Mourdock.

"we do not make the baby, God does. Once again, we as humans feel that we are the creator of man, we are not. Even during an act such as rape, God makes a decision whether the sperm enters the egg, we do not. If a baby is conceived during a rape the pregnancy is the will of God, not the rape."



Oh my goodness....I hope the stupid isn't contagious. But if it is, I can use Obamacare for my pre-existing condition.

DawgHouse

(4,019 posts)
27. Satan was created to poke you in your little tookus with a pitchfork if you misbehave. Duh!
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:19 PM
Oct 2012

Credit to David Cross.

MattBaggins

(7,905 posts)
31. Doesn't that make god a co-conspirator and liable under law?
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:23 PM
Oct 2012

Shouldn't god be hauled before a grand jury, indicted, prosecuted, and convicted?

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
32. Well it is the same God who arranged for Lot to screw his daughters.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:24 PM
Oct 2012
"The Bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of 10,000 lies." Mark Twin

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
34. Satan is the monster who wants you to have access to affordable healthcare while you're pregnant
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:13 AM
Oct 2012

You liberals just don't understand the sublime logic behind it all...

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
39. Interesting aside, off topic, but...
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:14 AM
Oct 2012

I really enjoy your theological conundrums.

Regarding Manichean heresy, I lived in South Africa during the apartheid years. One of the interesting by-products of the ruling Afrikaner whites' vitriolic interpretation of Calvinist doctrine was a set of strict laws against blasphemy and heresy. Manichean heresy was one of their favorite targets.

One of the more notorious examples of their extreme promulgation of these laws was the banning of the work of Irish recording artist Chris de Burgh, for his song "Spanish Train." (Not saying that banning Chris de Burgh is de facto a bad thing, mind you..). It was considered fashionably subversive to own a copy of the album on which this song appeared.

For those who don't know, "Spanish Train" is a song depicting Jesus and Satan passing the time on a train playing cards for souls.

I offer this as a quick study in what Manichean heresy and how it is or is not applied.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
40. it would appear God is 'into' Bondage or S&M
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:19 AM
Oct 2012

This would make Satan very relevant and possibly complicit

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
42. Satan is there to entice women to enjoy sex. God wants them to hate it.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:52 AM
Oct 2012

That's what Adam and Eve was all about.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
46. The vast majority of religions
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:15 PM
Oct 2012

are misogynistic. Christianity is just as bad as Islam in this regard.

Any religion that advocates that women are to be subservient to men, etc. etc., is a crock of shit. Not that I think there are any religions that aren't crocks of shit, but some are worse than others.

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