of sending our young people into the hell of war.

We need to stop killing people and making trouble for the rest of the world.

The military takes young men and women and reprograms them and makes them into killers. We then send them to war after they are taught to hate and kill. Then when a picture surfaces that illustrates what they have been reprogrammed and turned into - the very people that turned these young people into killers finds their behavior deplorable and turns on them.

It's no wonder that when these trained killers come home and get thrust back into society that they have PTSD. They are messed up for life and many wind up homeless; alcoholics; addicts; menaces to society and themselves. How many of these trained killers come back and commit suicide or kill their families or others?

Don't blame them - blame the monsters that changed them into these killers.

The pictures of the men 'peeing on the bodies of those they were trained to kill' depicts in a very real and vivid way the horrors and the despicable nature of war.

PEOPLE - don't blame these guys that are in the picture - blame those that put them into the situation that allowed them to even be in such a picture.

If the military and the U.S. don't want to be embarrassed by such pictures and such behavior of those that they trained and put into such a situation - stop training our kids to hate and kill - STOP THE WARS.

The military trains people to kill other people. I realize there are other types of education going on but the main thing a military does is kill. Today you decide to join the military therefore you are deciding to learn the craft of killing people.

My argument to my rw relatives is that toady you volunteer to die for your country and during the Vietnam conflict you were drafted to kill or you went to jail for a very long time.

In my opinion you must dehumanize an enemy before you can kill him, particularly if you are face to face. Pissing on him alive or dead is immaterial.

I site the way the Japanese were pictured in WWII propaganda.

nor conceive, young marines trained to kill and survive might find it a fitting tribute to the enemy that had been trying to kill him 10 minutes ago.

pissing on the dead bodies of the invaded.

If it were up to me, I think I would object more to the senseless killings. After all, they lived there, we do not.
But apparently urine is more objectionable than bullets. So now the guilty could face war crimes, not for murder, but for relieving themselves in public.

For every instance such as this that is exposed, there are probably a thousand that never see the light.

thousands of instances that have been recored that are shared in close circles and will trickle and leak out over the coming years.

in 3 combat theaters of operation, I can almost guarantee you're right. War is, in fact hell. Nothing humane about it.

started in 2008 is starting to show? In early 2009, right after Pres Obama took office, it was reported that:

Military figures show that only 82 percent of about 80,000 Army recruits last year had high school diplomas. According to new figures, the Army provided waivers to 18 percent of active-duty recruits in the final four months of last year, allowing them to enlist despite medical conditions or criminal records.

the corpses complained.

I imagine however, the relatives of the corpses did; as did the US State Dept, and many people worldwide who see vulgarity for what it is.

We're mostly ok with killing civilians who happen to be in the area of someone we think may be an enemy soldier. And killing (or maiming) an enemy with a manned-plane, or tank, or face-to-face with a gun is good. Locking them up indefinitely also acceptable.

But pee on a dead body and we've gone too far.

I am NOT okay with peeing on the dead bodies. But the outrage seems a little out of proportion. Whether or not we pee on a few dead bodies won't change a thing tomorrow (unless the video gets lots of hype and the family finds out and goes through extra pain). Whether or not we drop some bombs from a drone can be the difference between a number of kids waking up tomorrow with their mom and dad or missing a parent (even if mom/dad is not our enemy)

be irrelevant. The US has sunk so low that we automatically make "heroes" out of our armed forces, praise them for killing the "enemy," and then act all outraged when they pee on the corpse. Completely hypocritical.

personal to the killed."

You may say that's not the UCMJ, but I believe that SCOTUS found the UCMJ to include the Geneva Conventions in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld:

if nowhere else.

And there sure should be somewhere else. It's sick, vulgar, and brings down the reputation of the Corps.

Not to mention handing "the enemy" a propaganda goldmine.

... as I used to be one and was subject to it.

"Article 133. Conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman:Any commissioned officer, cadet, or midshipman who is convicted of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

But does anyone know of a similar article in the UCMJ that pertains to enlisted? I would think there would be one, but I can't find it.

I would charge:

Article 92: Failure to obey order or regulation
Article 93: Cruelty or maltreatment
Article 99: Misbehavior before the enemy
Article 117: Provoking speeches or gestures
(this one's usually used on guys who start fights, but I'd try it here)

Those you could definitely make stick. You could also PROBABLY get an Article 104 (aiding the enemy), maybe an Article 124 (maiming), Article 128 (assault) would be a longshot...since someone probably said they didn't do it even though they obviously did an Article 107 (false official statements) could apply.

.. each and every year, training our young to be inhuman psychopaths, to kill, wound, and destroy without conscience, and now they are outraged that the inhuman psychopaths they trained are acting like inhuman psychopaths?

Really?

There is no "honor" or "glory" in waging war. Committing acts of deadly violence are not acts of courage, they are simply acts of violence.

Does urinating on someones lifeless body disgust me? Of course it does, but then I've never killed another human being, even one that "hates my freedoms."

I don't condone what those Marines did, but state that anybody who has ever worn a military uniform and served this country are " inhuman psychopaths, to kill, wound, and destroy without conscience" is offensive and untrue. If it were true, incidents like this would be common occurrences, not isolated incidents.

Oh, here's a list of just a few prominent Democrats who have served in the military: Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, Jimmy Carter and John Kerry.

I find war and what it does to our humanity offensive. Uniforms or not, Democrat, Republican, or Independent killing is killing. Nothing you or anyone else can say changes that harsh reality. So might I suggest you put me on ignore, as I'm probably going to "offend you" again in the future.

.. what you do or do not "find me" is irrelevant to me. Since you seem to be determined to try and bait me into a pissing match, I'll be the better person and put you on ignore then. Bye.

"I find war and what it does to our humanity offensive..."

How precisely that does deny the offensiveness of urinating on corpses, as the two are not predicated on each other? Or is it simply difficult to be offended by more than one thing at a time...?

.. did I say I wasn't offended by "urinating on corpses" or did you just imagine I did?

You see my friend, of course the act is not just offensive, but despicable, but when weighed against the actual acts of violence that routinely happen in wars, many, many, many times to innocent civilians, especially children.....


...well, you do the math.

Thanks for letting me know. (And please, don't worry about offending me. The day that I can be offended by the ignorant blather of a sublimely naive child will be the day that I take my leave of the internet.)

Republicans were "Outraged" that anyone in America would be "Outraged" at the USA torturing people...Senator Inhofe's infamous statement that he was "Outraged at the Outrage" should be remembered and used in campaign material over and over again..

justify these completely unrelated atrocities.

Giving Viagra to warlords to help rape those children is so ethical, caring, and all ....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3965138/CIA-give-Afghan-warlords-Viagra-in-exchange-for-information-on-Taliban.html


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/31/world/asia/31flogging.html?pagewanted=all

'The bodies were dead. Their life forces were gone. They were on their way to "ashes to ashes, dust to dust." '

By that code of conduct and the qualifiers you listed, I can only imagine you believe sex with a corpse is at worst, merely benign?

Or do we only now begin to ad exceptions to your criteria so as to avoid looking conspicuously creepy?

Yet I'm not aware of the necessity of urinating on a corpse to secure that messy Democracy.

Desecrating the dead sucks. More than a few soldiers in Vietnam made collections of Viet Cong ears. It was highly illegal, just as the pissing on the dead is, but people did it anyway. One guy I knew back in the 70s actually showed me his ears, all on a string. I left in disgust and never had anything to do with him again. Bad shit happens during wars. Most people who do that bad shit never get caught or punished.

In wartime, most people look the other way. Only if some evidence gets made public does anyone do anything about it.

Desecrating the dead is a serious crime in the UCMJ. It's officially abhorred everywhere. It's also as common as dirt in war zones.

Part of the spoils of war.

I'm surprised at the level of horror surrounding this incident.

I've talked to people who participated in LOTS worse, including the ear collectors.

I had a stepfather who was with the Marine Corps in WWII. Survived those big landings in the south pacific.

Hector was the nicest man you'd ever want to know.

He gladly showed me the box of gold teeth he liberated from the mouths of the dead enemy.

Bin Ladin's head? Wonder if he wanted it on a pike, paraded through the town square, after being pee'd on?


Now how civil is that?

I see a failure of leadership, actually. Where were those men's officers?

are horrifying. That both are commonplace is horrifying. The particular people who filmed themselves doing this are beyond stupid. They will be punished severely, since it became public. Others will not be punished for doing the same and worse. Justice must be seen to be done.

I deplore desecration of the dead. I know it happens, too. Filming yourself doing it is about as stupid as it gets. That's testifying against yourself, and willingly doing so.

I imagine there are some people who believe war is predicating upon desecration of the dead. I'd warrant the rationalization to get from A to B would be very entertaining to hear...

It is quite plain that desecrating the bodies of the enemy is considered a war crime by every signatory...As is torture (enhanced interragation)....

Every person in the United States who pays taxes has a share in the glory of this incident, and that includes me. Keep that in mind when you're waving the flag, cheering the military on parade, and singing The Star-Spangled Banner. Because most assuredly, there are people all over the globe who make this connection in their hearts and minds.

recently ..... I woulda done the same...fuck um all, war is so pathetic it drives peeps to shit.

"But their commanders won't allow them to write 'fuck' on their airplanes because it's obscene!” - Col. Kurtz

why should this upset anyone?

Why does it surprise anyone that hideous obscene things happen in them.

So, U.S. soldiers can disrespect people enough to KILL them but peeing on dead bodies is unforgivable?

Frankly I tend to agree with Bill Maher:

“It would depend upon what the people they were pissing on did. If they were real Taliban, if they were people who burned down girls’ schools, and, you know, do honor rapes and throw acid in people’s faces, I’m not that upset about pissing on them.”