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piechartking

(617 posts)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:48 PM Oct 2012

Evangelical Problem

If you know Christians and evangelicals, you should talk to them about Billy Graham's removal of Mormonism off the list of cults he has always been against (conveniently enough, this declassification of Mormonism's "cult" status occurred just in time for the election). If you want what I think is a similar analogy, think about if a gay Log Cabin Republican had won the Republican nomination, and all of a sudden Christians fell all over themselves to abruptly declare that homosexuality is no longer an abomination. Yeah, pretty clear what Billy Graham's priorities are, and it ain't religious convictions.

Now, I don't want to be insensitive to Christians, but this would put me in a bind, if I were a conservative Evangelical Christian. Why? Because my choices are: 1) To disagree with Billy Graham according to my own (koo-koo) convictions and conscience, and refuse to cast a vote for a Mormon; or 2) To agree with Billy Graham while simultaneously acknowledging that one of the most esteemed patriarchs of the American Evangelical movement is cravenly playing politics and choosing electoral success over fundamental bedrock principles, which should (if you have conscience) make me realize just how disgusting my side is being and cause me not to cast a vote for Mitt Romney and my side. Number 3) is the worst, which is that your Christian friend has to admit to him/herself that they also do not have a conscience, want electoral success over their religious principles and think that the ends justify the means. In which case, just ask them (sarcastically) What Would Jesus Do?

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left is right

(1,665 posts)
4. Throughout the 90s Protestants heard from their preachers
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:51 PM
Oct 2012

that Mormonism was a cult. I have trouble believing that when it comes right down to casting a vote for Romney many of them will be able to do it despite the fact that they are now being told that it’s now ok. I think many will just stay home and not vote at all. I am strangely all right with that

piechartking

(617 posts)
7. That's why if you have evangelical friends
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:09 PM
Oct 2012

You can put it into stark relief:

1) You actually believe your own leaders and principles, and won't vote for a Mormon because you think it goes against your religion. OR

2) You admit that your beliefs are shit and winning a secular election is more important than what the majority of your church thinks is correct. (In which case, aren't you shitting on your religion, then?) OR

3) You can see that your side holds its own principles in disdain (whenever there's something TRULY important like a Presidential election) and vote Obama (or just stay home).

Wildcat1955

(69 posts)
8. Evangelical Agenda
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:44 PM
Oct 2012

The problem with evangelicals is that they want to secure their agenda through coercion rather than persuasion. They want political power to promulgate laws that will impose their social ethics on the culture. Instead of being a prophetic witness to Jesus' teachings, they prefer to establish a kingdom through political means. They should be salt, light and doers of good, but instead they have settled for being a subsidiary of the Republican Party.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
9. they are willing to bite their tongue as long as
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 01:57 AM
Oct 2012

they think they can control how the president goes about making his policy decisions. In the past, they had hoped the President himself would ban abortion, but presidents know that is a career killer. So, the new strategy is to have a president that will pick the Supreme Court justices that will overturn Roe vs. Wade. It is also their strategy to take both the House and Senate to outlaw it state by state until they can get it banned nationally. They have been pretty successful at the state level especially in the southern states.

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