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Alright, so I'm trying to make sense of this whole thing.
Some RW people that I know have been touting the ex-SEAL's dad's comments about how the White House "watched his son die" and the CIA told the military to "stand down".
Do we have information to counter these talking points? I'd like some help here. I've read about the Congressional testimony and how the State Department and CIA have both said that these things didn't happen and weren't the case.
Also, how reliable is Charles Woods? Something about this whole thing just SCREAMS "swift boat" to me.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)to whatever it is you are on about?
lolly
(3,248 posts)Because I think the only places reporting it are rabid wingnut sites and Fox--
But the latest seems to be that members of the administration--some claim even the president--watched the embassy takeover and attack and did nothing, even though they supposedly had some capability (what? drones? not sure) to take out all the attackers.
FB is full of posts about how "Obama watched them die" etc. etc.
Not sure what their rationale is for WHY he would do this--if he'd had the capability to take them out and had done so, I would assume that would have been a big political bonus. So their logic gets kinda fuzzy, but I'm guessing some will come around to saying he was rooting for the enemy.
Very weird stuff, and evidence that an hysteria along the lines of the Salem Witch Trials is sweeping the entire right wing in this country.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)nobodyspecial
(2,286 posts)(which is a TOS violation here). Use the preview function to make sure you are logged into the correct account. Happy trolling.
lolly
(3,248 posts)Happy trolling yourself.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)bayareamike
(602 posts)being posted on FB by RW family members (what can you do? I didn't ask for them lol)
nobodyspecial
(2,286 posts)bayareamike
(602 posts)Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)--know what I mean--Vern--
and you've been here since 2001 -- Lolly-- Busted
bayareamike
(602 posts)when I'm clearly looking for a way to DEFEND the President from these RW attacks. But, at the end of the day this is an internet forum and you can believe whatever you want. I've been working for Democratic causes for almost a decade (I'm only in my 20s), through college and now through law school.
But go ahead and attack me as a "sock puppet".
lolly
(3,248 posts)And nobody noticed a thing.
Now your eagle eyes have have picked up on it.
Maybe you should also check to see if someone's been eating your strawberries.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)State Department official Charlene Lamb testified before Congress that officials in the consulate were making multiple phone calls and it was very important that they communicate with the annex in Tripoli because this is where additional resources were coming from. So they would hang up on us and then call back. A Defense Department official confirms that there an unarmed ISR (intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance) drone overhead over part of the assault in Benghazi.
Woods also said, apparently even the State Department had a live stream and was aware of their calls for help. My son wasnt even there. He was at a safe house about a mile away. He got the distress call; he heard them crying for help; thats why he and Glen risked their lives to go that extra mile just to take care of the situation. And Im sure that wasnt the only one received that distress callyou know, Come save our lives.
As Jake Tapper reports, the timeline and the facts are inconclusive. Woods, for example, claims that the Obama White House could see the attacks unfold in "real time." I've heard a lot of this conservative talk radio. Reports that a drone was overhead during part of the incident have created the impression that administration watched and did nothing. The administration denies it; the Department of Defense says that it moves resources but did not commit them in time. Based on what we know now, the decision, before September 11, to deny greater protection in Benghazi may have been the key one.
But the idea that the administration simply whiffed and left men to die is politically irresistable. An angry father is furthering the argument. I think we've moved from "why didn't the president call this terrorism" to "why didn't the president send in troops." Also, I think this is the reason for John Sununu's insta-blogged statement about Colin Powell's endorsement. Powell's support for Obama was more substantive than his support in 2008. He went out of his way to defend Obama's foreign policy. By muttering that Powell had only weighed in to help out a black dude, Sununu changed the headlines and denied a day of strong surrogate news on the issue the president's getting hit on.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/10/26/finally_a_winning_benghazi_argument.html
NRaleighLiberal
(60,018 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)""Charles Woods, the grieving father of one of the security officials killed in the terrorist attack on the U.S diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods called into conservative media outlets this week, offering some unflattering descriptions of his interactions with the president and top officials of his administration.
Woods called into the Lars Larson Show and The Glenn Beck Program earlier this week.
At the memorial service at Joint Base Andrews for his son and the three other Americans killed, Woods said that the president approached him. Shaking hands with him was like shaking hands with a dead fish, he said. He recalled Vice President Biden saying to him in an extremely loud and boisterous voice, Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls? He questioned the sincerity of their sympathy, and that of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.""
The guy is a teabagger who lost his son. Of course he's going to blame Obama and the Dems and while he is grieving he should be allowed to vent.
Of course he'll have no ill words for the Republicans who voted down aid and security money for Libya when it was requested...
lolly
(3,248 posts)Wouldn't want to attack a grieving father directly, but I wonder if anyone at ABC or other news stations has made any effort to get accounts of the service from other witnesses.
The account here sounds like it was written by someone who had never met either man--like it's a version of them that wingnuts made up.
nolabear
(41,990 posts)The "dead fish" handshake is non-descriptive, it sounds like what someone would say who was rageful. And the supposed Biden comment is like a bad caricature of the VP, a Saturday Night Live version. Biden is crude sometimes but he's not stupid.
I agree that he should be let vent but wouldn't take him as a good information source on a bet.
bayareamike
(602 posts)they all link to Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc. What I'm saying is that it's a talking point -- one that is despicable IMHO -- that is being used by the RW right now. I was curious in learning information that could dispute that point.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)State Department official Charlene Lamb testified before Congress that officials in the consulate were making multiple phone calls and it was very important that they communicate with the annex in Tripoli because this is where additional resources were coming from. So they would hang up on us and then call back. A Defense Department official confirms that there an unarmed ISR (intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance) drone overhead over part of the assault in Benghazi.
Woods also said, apparently even the State Department had a live stream and was aware of their calls for help. My son wasnt even there. He was at a safe house about a mile away. He got the distress call; he heard them crying for help; thats why he and Glen risked their lives to go that extra mile just to take care of the situation. And Im sure that wasnt the only one received that distress callyou know, Come save our lives.
As Jake Tapper reports, the timeline and the facts are inconclusive. Woods, for example, claims that the Obama White House could see the attacks unfold in "real time." I've heard a lot of this conservative talk radio. Reports that a drone was overhead during part of the incident have created the impression that administration watched and did nothing. The administration denies it; the Department of Defense says that it moves resources but did not commit them in time. Based on what we know now, the decision, before September 11, to deny greater protection in Benghazi may have been the key one.
But the idea that the administration simply whiffed and left men to die is politically irresistable. An angry father is furthering the argument. I think we've moved from "why didn't the president call this terrorism" to "why didn't the president send in troops." Also, I think this is the reason for John Sununu's insta-blogged statement about Colin Powell's endorsement. Powell's support for Obama was more substantive than his support in 2008. He went out of his way to defend Obama's foreign policy. By muttering that Powell had only weighed in to help out a black dude, Sununu changed the headlines and denied a day of strong surrogate news on the issue the president's getting hit on.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/10/26/finally_a_winning_benghazi_argument.html