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I have removed per correction by credible DUers. (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2012 OP
What's wrong is that nationalization can be temporary Warpy Jan 2012 #1
Marx was a remarkably accurate analyst of capitalism, but even he said he wasn't leveymg Jan 2012 #2
Putting the cart before the horse? izquierdista Jan 2012 #3
He assumes that the "working class" is kind of dumb. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #4
very well put maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #12
If it happens in a hundred years or so... Make7 Jan 2012 #5
where he was always wrong - the historical inevitability of communism arely staircase Jan 2012 #6
He Never Said That, Sir: The Thing Is Spurious The Magistrate Jan 2012 #7
Damn! You beat me by 15 seconds. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #9
+1 wtmusic Jan 2012 #10
Sorry if that is so, Magistrate... kentuck Jan 2012 #11
No Problem, My Friend The Magistrate Jan 2012 #17
Other than that Karl Marx never said it, it's fine. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #8
I suspected something when he mentioned 9/11. nt wtmusic Jan 2012 #13
its really refreshing to see someone graciously admit when they are wrong etherealtruth Jan 2012 #14
Agreed. Thank you, kentuck. EFerrari Jan 2012 #16
Awww. I would ask that you restore it with a correction. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #15

Warpy

(111,383 posts)
1. What's wrong is that nationalization can be temporary
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:01 PM
Jan 2012

and capitalist banks returned to the private sector in a well regulated state of equilibrium--until the next bunch of snake oil salesmen come along and sell a gullible public on the joys of deregulation.

He missed the cyclical nature of all this stuff.

And communism was no panacea, many party insiders turning themselves into a defacto aristocratic oligarchy, their wealth and position passing largely to their genetic heirs.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. Marx was a remarkably accurate analyst of capitalism, but even he said he wasn't
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:02 PM
Jan 2012

a "Marxist." Great critical construct, but as an economic model . . .?

 

izquierdista

(11,689 posts)
3. Putting the cart before the horse?
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:03 PM
Jan 2012

When the banks own the State, they don't have to share communally.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
4. He assumes that the "working class" is kind of dumb.
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:09 PM
Jan 2012

I think he is correct that the "Owner of capital" WANTS to stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses, and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits.

But I'd stop there.

The "Owners of capital" don't want the "working class" to reach a point at which their "debt becomes unbearable" ... that part is WRONG.

... because that MIGHT lead to a situation in which "The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalized, and State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism".

Which the "Owners of Capitol" don't want.

What the "Owners of Capitol' want is for the "working class" to maximize their consumption, up to a point slightly ABOVE where their debt becomes unbearable.

They want them on a treadmill.

Work, accumulate expensive goods via income and debt, pay the minimum on the debt, then repeat.

The working class need to get off the treadmill from time to time.






arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
6. where he was always wrong - the historical inevitability of communism
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:14 PM
Jan 2012

the critique of capitalism is - as always too - dead on. but in the end marx fails on his belief that the study of history is a science, not the humanities discipline that it is.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
11. Sorry if that is so, Magistrate...
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:16 PM
Jan 2012

I had actually saved it from DU quite some time ago. I apologize if it is not accurate.

The Magistrate

(95,257 posts)
17. No Problem, My Friend
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:50 PM
Jan 2012

Abraham Lincoln said it best: 'You can't believe everything you read on the internet."

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
14. its really refreshing to see someone graciously admit when they are wrong
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:21 PM
Jan 2012

We all are from time to time ...the gracious admission engenders respect.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
15. Awww. I would ask that you restore it with a correction.
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:25 PM
Jan 2012

Since we've all replied to this thread. Also, it's good to alert people to hoaxes. Also, the quote's worthy of discussion. Also, it's been re-quoted as if Marx said it thousands of times, because people think it's wise. You could call it, "Why do people like this fake Marx quote so much?"

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