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BeyondGeography

(39,380 posts)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:09 PM Oct 2012

Josh Marshall: Many "independents" just tea partiers who don't identify as R anymore

Can Romney Win Indies & Lose?

In all the hothouse discussion of polls, there’s one point you hear again and again from Romney supporters: Romney can’t be winning independents so consistently and also be behind. But that’s not really true.

...One point to keep in mind here is that we keep this data set of ‘adults’ rather than registered or likely voters. That makes it somewhat different from the voting electorate. But it also removes swells of voter and partisan enthusiasm from the trend. These are polls which simply ask people over 18, how do you identify in partisan terms. So we get a good apples to apples comparison over time.

A few things jump right out. The big thing is that independent identification skyrocketed and GOP identification plummeted in the Fall of 2010 — notably, this started just in advance of the 2010 midterm election.

Now, unless you assume that the US has moved strongly to the left since 2010, it seems pretty clear that what happened was an exodus from the GOP to the right. In other words, a lot of people left the Republican party, in identification terms. But they didn’t become Democrats. And it doesn’t seem (at least from the politics of the last two years) like they became more moderate of ‘centrist’ in ideological terms. They simply reidentified themselves as independents. One more thing I’d add and this is part is just my supposition. But I think in a lot of cases they actually re-identified because the GOP wasn’t right-wing enough, call it a Tea Party exodus from the GOP...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/10/can_romney_win_indies_lose.php?ref=fpblg

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Josh Marshall: Many "independents" just tea partiers who don't identify as R anymore (Original Post) BeyondGeography Oct 2012 OP
"I'm an Independent, but I hate Obama and Democrats." Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #1
So these polling outfits have been polling republicans and former republicans that are extremist itsrobert Oct 2012 #2
The only independents I know are marlakay Oct 2012 #3
Hate this "independents are all conservatives" meme. intheflow Oct 2012 #4
He's talking about recent growth in the number of people self-identifying as independents BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #5
Or Closet Repubs JustToo Damn Embarassed to Call Themselves Repub Anymore Indykatie Oct 2012 #6
Independent - Republican embarrassed to say he supported Bush. SalviaBlue Oct 2012 #7
Bullshit _ed_ Nov 2012 #8

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
2. So these polling outfits have been polling republicans and former republicans that are extremist
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:15 PM
Oct 2012

and tilting the outcome to Romney?

I can see how that give bad outcome. Bad data in, bad data out.

marlakay

(11,498 posts)
3. The only independents I know are
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:23 PM
Oct 2012

People who want to change parties but don't want to tell friends, family and work people.

One set used to be republican, they now vote dem but are independent.

Other set used to be dem but now republican but are independent.

So I think it can go either way....

intheflow

(28,504 posts)
4. Hate this "independents are all conservatives" meme.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:41 PM
Oct 2012

Been hearing this line of bullshit for years. It's as wrong as claiming all southerners are conservative. I'm independent, my bf is independent, because the Democratic party isn't far enough to the left for us. This holds true for every independent I personally know.

BeyondGeography

(39,380 posts)
5. He's talking about recent growth in the number of people self-identifying as independents
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:45 PM
Oct 2012

Which is another way of saying you missed the point entirely.

PS: The thread title is "many" independents, not all.

_ed_

(1,734 posts)
8. Bullshit
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:55 AM
Nov 2012

Lifelong independent here. I've voted Green, Libertarian, and Democratic, but I've never voted for a Republican for local, state, or federal office.

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