I even saw an interview with the guy she spoke with who she said, "I don't know you" and closed the door in her face. Profoundly tragic.

Black woman/white neighborhood...I'm not sayin'; I'm just sayin'

Story 1 from yesterday: Mother is driving car, and as she and her children leave the car after getting stuck in a sinkhole the storm surge swept her children away. Unable to find them, she approaches a house for help and is denied help.

Story 2 from today: Mother is driving car, leaves and seeks refuge from the storm with her two children. She is denied entry and her children are subsequently killed.

that the media is confused? Time will tell...

First, I'm not seeing the inconsistency in the two scenarios and SECOND, no one has doubted her story. Even her racist neighbors are like "yeah? So? She shouldn't have been outside"

Staten Island is the racist armpit of NYC. There's a reason no one gives two shits about them.

It's a horrible story and a mother has lost her two young sons. Don't talk trash without knowing the facts.

She screamed and sobbed on the sidewalk for TWELVE hours and no one would her help.

Inconsistencies my ass.

I find that hard to believe.

were washed away by vigorous flood waters. And, yes ... she was reportedly denied assistance.

Here is the story on CNN, and details are different.

"She told police they clung together for hours, before Moore managed to make her way to a nearby property, and pleaded to be let inside. But according to her police account, rather than sheltering the desperate strangers, the occupant refused to let them enter."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/02/world/americas/sandy-staten-island-brothers/index.html

CNN story has different details.
So am really not sure what the actual story is.

though? Could be, reporters are confused.

I should add, the man who lived in the house (in question) claimed a MAN came and asked for help. He may have confused the woman for a man, given he didn't get too close?

She told two completly different stories.

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Her stories are completely different.

My guess is that to perserve her own sanity, she needs to make it less her fault and more someone elses. As a father, I can only imagine how awful the guilt must be.

differ. That doesn't mean her story does. Though, your guilt theory is possible, given she hasn't spoken to the media directly, I'll await more information.

Peace

Unless she told them two different stories.

I feel for the woman, I truly do. But as my dad used to say, some mistakes you can't walk away from.

But at times they are confused. Especially when a distraught person is communicating through third parties, as in this case.

The second one is what she told police. That's what I finally gleaned from reading the different sources yesterday.

They know they can't charge him with anything. As far as I know, it isn't illegal to not help someone.

to not supply reasonable service to anyone whose life is in danger. You cannot drive by someone who is hit by a car and left alone... etc.

There is no law in the world that is going to force a person to let a complete stranger into their home in the middle of a hurricane.

No law is going to force a person to endanger themselves in order to help someone else.

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And at least one version has her, or an unidentified man, of trying to hurl a planter through the front window of an occupied house. Uhhh, there might be a few people who won't answer the door under those conditions.

Questions none of the stories has addressed: With 2 children, why didn't she evacuate when the order was given? Why did she attempt to drive her SUV through deep water? Why didn't she call for help on her cell phone? Why didn't she seek assistance or shelter from neighbors house before her boys were swept away? She supposedly weathered storm on the front porch of unoccupied house... that couldn't be done before boys were lost?
Whole lot of poor decisions made by that woman, that resulted in a tragedy.

The homeowner said an unidentified man threw the planter. Either way, are you opening the door to someone trying to break into your house?

Version 1:
She was getting out of her truck (it went off road into a hole...winds 90mph, roads flooded), got her boys out of their seatbelts, holding them. They were swept away by water soon after that. She knocked on doorS and asked for help finding her boys. She was screaming, hysterical. They didn't help. She finally got the police somehow.

Version 2: (I think this was CNN)
She went into that deep hole off side of the road. Winds 990mph, roads flooded. She got her boys out, hung onto her Ford Explorer for hours. With her boys, she went to ONE house (they showed the house and the owner outside yelling at CNN crew to quit filming him). He asked what she wanted. She asked him to let her inside. He said he didn't know her. She went to the next house, which was empty. Tried to throw brick thru window to get in. At some point at about that time, her boys were swept away. Interview with the man by CNN crew: He said there was a MAN, no children, who he saw trying to break in next door, but did not ask him to be let inside (I think that's what he said). Interviewer asked him if he knew what happened. He didn't. Interviewer told him the boys died. Man seemed genuinely concerned, "Oh, that's tragic. But then she shouldn't have been out on the road."

He seemed like a real asshole. If I had to guess, I'd say he didn't see the kids, and was afraid of being assaulted or something.

I sorta doubt the second version. I can't imagine her clinging to that SUV for hours, and THEN going to a house for help.

Karma will probably get him. I couldn't turn away children out in that dangerous weather. I don't know if I'd let an adult in, though. I would be afraid, I think. But someone with children, I couldn't live with myself if I turned them away.

already gone.

She's told (so far) two completely different stories.

Surrogates have, to my understanding.

If I've been ordered to evacuate and don't, and if I then take my kids out in a car in the middle of the hurricane, then drive through flooded streets and my kids die...then yes, ultimately, it's my fault that my kids are dead. Just because it wasn't intentional doesn't mean it isn't her fault.

Just suck it up, they were ordered to evacuate, and didn't....so just shut up with their crying and moaning already...

Ok...I see where that thinking gets folks

Should they have evacuated? Sure, but they didn't, so now they need to be helped. Because they survived. They took their own lives into their hands, and they won the gamble.

This woman took her childrens' lives into her hands, and they lost. And now she's telling different stories, and trying to lay the blame on someone else. I can understand that, as if I were responsible for the death of my children, I would want to find a way to make myself believe it was someone elses fault and not mine. I'm not sure I could live with the guilt.

but don't see where she is telling different stories...

between getting out of the car and the boys being immediately swept away and getting out of the car and clinging together for hours, and they're only swept away when she starts to go to a house for help.

subjective BS? There is no one on this site who can possibly know anything about this person yet so many are making crazy judgments based on some conflicting news articles? It gets a little nuts in here sometimes.

She was told to evacuate in advance, and she didn't. If she was working at the hospital and couldn't leave, she should have at least made plans to have her children evacuated.

After choosing not to evacuate when she had the chance, she chose to put the kids into the car and drive down flooded streets in the middle of a hurricane.

Neither of these were good choices, and unfortunately, her children paid the price for those choices. And she is going to have to pay the price for the rest of her life, having lost those precious little boys.

It's tragic all around, and my heart goes out to her, but we all have to live with the choices we make, good or bad.

Take the woman in Louisiana recently who claimed that she was attacked, had KKK written on her car and then lit on fire. A number of people were immediately saying that this was a racist attack and that the police were horrible for not immediately labeling it a hate crime. It turns out she did it to herself.

To automatically assume that this woman was turned away because she was black and the residents were white and therefore racist, is rather silly.

And in both of the potential stories, the kids were likely already dead before she could have gotten help. Going out at that point without safety training or equipment would have likely only resulted in further loss of life. That's a blunt way of putting it, but I believe it's also accurate.

At 2 and 4 years of age, they were relying on their mother to make good decisions to protect them.

But notwithstanding, it was too late to drive anywhere. The hurricane was there. Winds were apparently 90 mph, roads flooded. She made a tragic choice. Unfortunately, she'll have to live with that. She may have panicked. She's married; maybe her husband told her to get to her mother's house, w/o realizing the hurricane had gotten to her location already, and she just did it w/o thinking. Who knows?

RIP sweet angels.