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Cartoonist

(7,323 posts)
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:52 PM Nov 2012

Freeper confidence bothers me

4 years ago, freeperland was wringing their hands in worry and clutching at straws for hope. This year they are trotting out all kinds of favorable polls, prominent pundits and all sorts of tea leaves giving them supreme confidence that this election is all but over and that R$ will win handily. I admit it, I'm spooked.

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Freeper confidence bothers me (Original Post) Cartoonist Nov 2012 OP
Remember DU in 2004? Renew Deal Nov 2012 #1
Oh, I remember. They shut public access to DU for a day or two aletier_v Nov 2012 #17
Not this DUer. David__77 Nov 2012 #35
Bush looked too smug (he knew he was going to steal it) Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2012 #37
I think they're only doing what the spokespeople are doing. They're trying to project victory. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2012 #2
And they live in a bubble, believing the lies coming out of Faux. Indpndnt Nov 2012 #33
Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown. nt TeamPooka Nov 2012 #3
lol n/t cabot Nov 2012 #9
lol woolldog Nov 2012 #12
If you're worried, donate to Obama's campaign gollygee Nov 2012 #4
I've heard references to NV polls that showed Reid would be crushed, but that didn't happen. Same gateley Nov 2012 #5
Nate Silver had Angle beating Reid by 3% pintobean Nov 2012 #45
Nate Silver? Damn! gateley Nov 2012 #46
I read a thread where they're all falling apart in grief lunatica Nov 2012 #6
Lol Separation Nov 2012 #51
Is it as high as DU's confidence though? Applan Nov 2012 #7
I read both sites, although I've cut back on FR a lot in the past 3-4 years aletier_v Nov 2012 #21
Freepers were confident McCain would win right up to the end. They sufrommich Nov 2012 #8
Yup. They believed McCain was a lock in Ohio, PA, FL and other swing states. Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #16
Then don't go there. tblue Nov 2012 #10
They were pretty cocky in '08... Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #11
Yep. This Mitt prediction from 2008 is hilarious. Viking12 Nov 2012 #15
Fools are always confident. n/t NEOBuckeye Nov 2012 #13
Freepers are delusional. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #14
I think it is a result of CthulhusEvilCousin Nov 2012 #18
GAWD-Don't mention Kerry/Edwards barbiegeek Nov 2012 #19
The probablility of Obama winning this thing right now RomneyLies Nov 2012 #20
They are brainwashed and truly believe they will win in a blowout krawhitham Nov 2012 #22
I don't think they believe it aletier_v Nov 2012 #24
I don't think one's "confidence" should be based on what the posters at Free Republic are saying. Cali_Democrat Nov 2012 #23
I will say Cartoonist Nov 2012 #25
Not! Cartoonist Nov 2012 #26
Keep in mind that those geniuses "believe" that Palin is smart and evolution is propaganda. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #27
I don't understand the Palin worship aletier_v Nov 2012 #32
Believe me...Chris Christie would never have kisses the President's ass.... Walk away Nov 2012 #28
They are trying to discourage us and keep us home marlakay Nov 2012 #29
Its all they've got. jackbenimble Nov 2012 #30
Biggest difference between 2004 election HockeyMom Nov 2012 #31
I doubt it. Everything is driven by irrational hate of Obama aletier_v Nov 2012 #34
I was listening to right-wing radio yesterday and they slipped up... David__77 Nov 2012 #36
Freeper confidence is like fat-free lard - neither has any use. HopeHoops Nov 2012 #38
LOL!! FieryLocks Nov 2012 #49
Their hope is on buying or stealing the election... santamargarita Nov 2012 #39
This is the only thing that makes sense to me! n/t Dalai_1 Nov 2012 #41
. Motown_Johnny Nov 2012 #40
No they weren't. You remember wrong. cali Nov 2012 #42
Obama and his campaign are very different from John Kerry.... Swede Atlanta Nov 2012 #43
Did Baghdad Bob worry you? longship Nov 2012 #44
I Really Only Wanted To Post Once In This Thread DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #48
Your Concern Is Duly Noted.Thank You For Your Input./nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #47
Don't fret... FieryLocks Nov 2012 #50

Renew Deal

(81,871 posts)
1. Remember DU in 2004?
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:53 PM
Nov 2012

DUers thought Kerry had it in the bag. Polls looked pretty good overall, though it was close.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
17. Oh, I remember. They shut public access to DU for a day or two
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:01 PM
Nov 2012

because there was so much gnashing of teeth.

David__77

(23,509 posts)
35. Not this DUer.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:41 PM
Nov 2012

Of course I didn't say so, but I certainly didn't predict a Kerry victory. You are right that a lot of people thought that the polls were wrong and didn't account for cell phone users, etc. Defeating an incumbent president is always difficult.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,145 posts)
2. I think they're only doing what the spokespeople are doing. They're trying to project victory.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:55 PM
Nov 2012

and it's possible that's based on voter suppression.

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
33. And they live in a bubble, believing the lies coming out of Faux.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:33 PM
Nov 2012

Faux says they're way ahead, so it MUST be true.

Can't wait for Tuesday when the pinhead on each one's shoulders .

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
4. If you're worried, donate to Obama's campaign
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:56 PM
Nov 2012

But generally just relax, wait for Tuesday, make sure to vote and then have fun watching the returns come in and Republican heads explode.

gateley

(62,683 posts)
5. I've heard references to NV polls that showed Reid would be crushed, but that didn't happen. Same
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:56 PM
Nov 2012

With Hillary and NH. Neither side should take she polls as gospel.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
45. Nate Silver had Angle beating Reid by 3%
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:42 PM
Nov 2012

Reid won by 5.5 %. A lot of people are taking Silver as gospel. The best answer is to drag as many people as possible to the polls. There's only one poll that will matter in the end.

Applan

(693 posts)
7. Is it as high as DU's confidence though?
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:58 PM
Nov 2012

I'm betting not. And the fact that every EV poll tracker out there except one joke-tracker has O winning should calm your nerves a little.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
21. I read both sites, although I've cut back on FR a lot in the past 3-4 years
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:06 PM
Nov 2012

but FR definitely feels glum to me, in spite of their positive polls.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
8. Freepers were confident McCain would win right up to the end. They
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:58 PM
Nov 2012

were sure St.Sarah would cause a landslide. I don't know what Free Republic you were reading in 2008, but it looked nothing like what you described.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
11. They were pretty cocky in '08...
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:59 PM
Nov 2012

I remember because I'd check daily and they constantly believed McCain was going to win.

Viking12

(6,012 posts)
15. Yep. This Mitt prediction from 2008 is hilarious.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:01 PM
Nov 2012

How many predictions can you get wrong in less than a minute?

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
14. Freepers are delusional.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:00 PM
Nov 2012

I bet that they didn't point out the Rasmussen has Obama having closed down Romney in Florida and Virginia, or that 17 swing state polls show Obama ahead while only 1 show Romney ahead, with 2 showing a tie.

CthulhusEvilCousin

(209 posts)
18. I think it is a result of
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:03 PM
Nov 2012

the Romney campaign thoroughly controlling the messaging throughout their media-sphere. The Romney campaign before had said they would coordinate with Drudge and Breitbart, and I suspect they've done the same with Fox and even individuals like Dick Morris. I get emails from all sorts of people, and they are sitting there repeating stuff that had to have been born from the sick depths of the Romney campaign. For example, there was this one email from Morris where he asserted that Romney won all 3 debates, and that despite Obama's "lying," that "people got to know Romney - and knowing Romney, people got to like him." A lot of the messaging out of the Romney campaign itself sounds very much like that kind of idol-worship. Liking and loving a "devoted, faithful, honest man." But normal people just don't think or talk like that. The messaging is superficial, strange, rehearsed, which makes me believe that the RomneyCampaign is literally dictating to pundits and media organizations what to say and how to say it. What we see over on Free Republic is the result of that brainwashing. You repeat a lie long enough, it becomes the truth for them. However, they are disconnected from reality by an extreme amount. Up until recently, Jim Robinson, the forum owner, declared that they would never endorse Romney, because he was a lying, statist, homosexualist usurper. Now Romney is the next Reagan over there.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
20. The probablility of Obama winning this thing right now
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:05 PM
Nov 2012

is similar to a football team ahead by a field goal at the two minute warning.

At the beginning of the week, there were three minutes left.

Tick, tock. Romney's time is running out and he threw a Hail Mary pass to Pennsylvania.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
24. I don't think they believe it
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:12 PM
Nov 2012

I think they want to believe it and there's a lot of peer pressure.

They don't seem very happy.

Cartoonist

(7,323 posts)
25. I will say
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:17 PM
Nov 2012

That their belief that Benghazi is an enormous game changer proves them to be the morans that they are. Still, even worse than a Romney win will be their chest thumping if he does.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
32. I don't understand the Palin worship
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:31 PM
Nov 2012

She's a fake and profiteer.

I really can't understand the last few candidates they fawned over.

Palin is an exercise in egotism - Sin of Pride.
Cain - Sin of Lust.
Romney - Sin of Avarice.


Do they NOT read the bible?

If there is a God, he's been setting them up for failure over and over again.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
28. Believe me...Chris Christie would never have kisses the President's ass....
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:26 PM
Nov 2012

if he was not sure he would win on Tuesday.

marlakay

(11,494 posts)
29. They are trying to discourage us and keep us home
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:28 PM
Nov 2012

Keep us from celebrating and being excited…

Plus its not as clear cut this time so they have hope.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
31. Biggest difference between 2004 election
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:29 PM
Nov 2012

and now? Obama is the INCUMBENT President, and Kerry wasn't. If you want to take it back to Carter election (I voted for him as an Independent), Carter's approval rating was very low (Odd/Even Gas lines if anyone remembers that). Obama's approval ratings, as President and personal, have only been going UP, again, unlike Carter's. Yes, this election is very close, but if Robme really had "momentum" then why would they need to keep trying to suppress the voting?

Who can the people identify with? With Bush, he gave the impression of a good, ole boy, people would like to have a beer with. How many people think Romney would sit at a bar having a beer with them? As a woman, I would give a big, fat EEEEEWWW to that. Mittens is just as creepy as The Donald.

Has anyone, especially Freepers, ever thought of THESE factors?

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
34. I doubt it. Everything is driven by irrational hate of Obama
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:34 PM
Nov 2012

not by what they like about Romney.

I'm not surprised at what's happening, the hate thing gets old, it's one reason I quit reading FR, it's gotten quite out of hand. It's pure pavlovian conditioning. I am not a fan of Obama for several reasons but I do not hate him, and certainly not with the passion I've seen on FR.

There's just nothing that can justify that kind of passionate hate.

It's projection, it's hate from another source projected onto Obama.

David__77

(23,509 posts)
36. I was listening to right-wing radio yesterday and they slipped up...
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:43 PM
Nov 2012

The host was interviewing someone and was talking about how the Republicans will supposedly increase their house majority, and then said Obama would have a hard time over the next two years getting anything passed, then OOPS! stuttered, and said "well, of course I expect Romney to win, but if god forbid Obama wins." I think the smarter analysts know that the odds are on Obama by at least 60-40.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
40. .
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:30 PM
Nov 2012







http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/



^snip^


November 3, 2012, 9:33 AM954 Comments

Nov. 2: For Romney to Win, State Polls Must Be Statistically Biased
By NATE SILVER

President Obama is now better than a 4-in-5 favorite to win the Electoral College, according to the FiveThirtyEight forecast. His chances of winning it increased to 83.7 percent on Friday, his highest figure since the Denver debate and improved from 80.8 percent on Thursday.

Friday’s polling should make it easy to discern why Mr. Obama has the Electoral College advantage. There were 22 polls of swing states published Friday. Of these, Mr. Obama led in 19 polls, and two showed a tie. Mitt Romney led in just one of the surveys, a Mason-Dixon poll of Florida.


 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
43. Obama and his campaign are very different from John Kerry....
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:46 PM
Nov 2012

They are not going to roll over and play dead. They will fight for their candidate.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
48. I Really Only Wanted To Post Once In This Thread
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:58 PM
Nov 2012

Hopefully this will be my last one. It's noteworthy Hitler was telling the German people its military was consolidating its victories in April of 1945.

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