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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJim Cramer: Obama Is Going To Obliterate Romney In A Historic Landslide
It's wild and crazy Jim time
"The Washington Post asked a bunch of pundits/gurus/big-names for their electoral predictions.
There's a big list of folks, and almost all see Obama winning.
Among the names on the list. Jim Cramer, who has a SUPER aggressive Obama call.
Whereas most folks see Obama just moderately getting over the 270 mark, he sees Obama winning 440 electoral votes, with 55% of the vote."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jim-cramer-obama-is-going-to-destroy-romney-in-a-historic-landslide-2012-11#ixzz2BDnF5wIG
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)msongs
(67,417 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)If it were, we'd all be making hand over fist money in our 401ks.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)acts in mysterious ways. He gives advice on the health of a business and whether he THINKS a stock will do well in the near or far term, but IT IS NOT GUARANTEED. It's his professional opinion, after studying up on the business.
It's a probability thing. Like Nate Silver's probabilities.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)You are entitled to your own opinion, but you aren't entitled to your own facts.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)The year 2000 and the term "tech stocks" come to mind...
I sure wouldn't bank all my hopes on what this blowhard says. 440 electorals?
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)I think we have perfect upward momentum while Mitch is in a nose dive death spiral.
Obama is drawing huge crowds in red states while Mitch is drawing Mitch crowds.
TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)I still stand by it and think I might be under the winning total.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Of course that counts on Florida going for Obama
TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)but I hope we can pull off those two
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Bear Stearns. Cramer recommended buying this stock on 8/17/07 at $118.20 per share. He lost 95 percent on this one - selling at just under $6 per share on 3/20/08.
Morgan Stanley. Cramer recommended buying this stock on 9/15/06 at $70.95 per share. Its recently been trading around $25.
Lehman Brothers. Cramer recommended this stock on 10/17/05 at $55.18 per share. On 9/5/08 with the stock trading at $16 per share, on CNBC, Cramer selected Lehman as a "screaming buy" and said things couldn't get any worse for the company. The firm went bankrupt and the stock trades for pennies per share for more than a 99 percent loss for Cramer.
Merrill Lynch. Cramer recommended buying this stock on 9/19/05 at $60.17 per share and sold it on 9/12/08 for $17.05 per share for a 72 percent loss.
In the 12/30/07 issue of New York Magazine, Cramer made investing in Goldman Sachs his #1 recommendation for the year. He said looking ahead through the end of 2008, "Goldman Sachs makes more money than every other brokerage firm in New York combined and finishes the year at $300 a share. Not a prediction-an inevitability." Goldman has been trading in the $150s.
Mira
(22,380 posts)is turning into a dull roar.
EC
(12,287 posts)I seem to remember him complaining about him. I know this past year he's been saying nice things, but I do seem to recall some hits earlier on.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)One has nothing to do with the ohter.
If Romney were leading in most of hte battleground state polls, I might predict a Romney win, although I don't like Romney and didn't vote for him.
BTW, Cramer is a moderate Democrat. Or at least used to be. Mainly, he's an investment guy, though.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)GP6971
(31,166 posts)How many EC votes constitutes a landslide?
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)standingtall
(2,785 posts)but I don't see it happening. Although I think Obama wins handily with 323 electoral votes.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)This shitbag is wrong about everything. He was telling people to buy Lehman the week before it collapsed. He's a know nothing motherfucker.
fujiyama
(15,185 posts)He's like Bill Kristol or Dick Morris - I don't understand why these guys get paid to be so wrong about EVERYTHING.
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WooWooWoo
(454 posts)no way he reaches 440. Or anywhere close to it.
330 is about his ceiling. And that's if everything breaks right.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)And, that Georgia was a long shot, but I hadn't heard about those other three. South Carolina was mentioned earlier in the thread, and I haven't seen a poll for this state since January. That one had the President down by only 5 points. Judging by the lack of enthusiasm for Slick Willard that I have seen among my fellow South Carolinians, I wouldn't be surprised if it's still that close.
Ter
(4,281 posts)Texas? Wow you're kidding right?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I can't begin to imagine where you came up with that.
Archbishop
(41 posts)qanda
(10,422 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)I don't think that's necessarily the case here, since presumably no money's directly involved in his prediction. But any time it is, his calling clearly has been to Fuck You Over. You'd be rich if you'd followed a strict line of betting the other way from what Cramer recommends. It's hard to believe there is no Anti-Cramer Index, or maybe I missed it. On the face of it it's also hard to believe this pump-and-dump whore still has a program, especially after Stewart's excellent televised assassination. Except, of course, that Cramer is not at all a failure. He is a functioning cog in the system, once you understand that it is supposed to suck small-investor patsies into the wood-chipper. (The Sirens who lured sailors to their deaths at least had a lovely song, unlike the unbearable noise of Cramer's show.)
Cramer, Dow at 36,000 and the sad lack of a guillotine in American life. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/JackRiddler/316
I guess the hardest part to believe is that anyone still watches the show, after all the people he's screwed with his fake-ass predictions. There's a certain class of system-supporting celebrity pundit who simply cannot be put down. Doesn't matter how wrong they are, what stupid things they write, what scandals they get embroiled in, year-in-year-out, they are never discredited. (See Joe Klein, Tom Friedman, David Brooks, etc. etc.) HuffPo is part of that culture, of course.
Finally, those of you still equating the DJIA with the nation's interest and wanting to claim credit on Obama's behalf should rethink that. It's peaked again and we will be revisiting the under-10,000 territory. These are the dynamics of capitalism; the standard array of government policies only make temporary differences.
Yul A
(94 posts)Wow!
doc03
(35,346 posts)as Dick Morris.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)jmowreader
(50,559 posts)I need to do a trip to electoral-vote.com for this, but 440 probably requires every state with 5 or more EV, including Texas which we won't get.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)shows what the map would look like in Jim's lala land
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)If it was Brian Schweitzer running against Romney, then yeah I could see it: he's a rancher who hunts, and he looks like a NASCAR team owner. (On this I am not kidding:
This is Brian Schweitzer, the current governor of Montana.
This is Richard Childress, CEO of the racing team Dale Earnhardt drove for until he got killed doing it.)
But Obama? WAY too many anyone-but-Obama types down there for him to win it.
greyl
(22,990 posts)jmowreader
(50,559 posts)The margins of Obama's inevitable victory are:
Low: 302 electoral votes. I think we'll cross 250 before the California polls close, and not even Rush Limbaugh thinks he can win Calif.
High: Everything except Texas and the four-and-under crowd.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Obama taking " e)verything except Texas and the four-and-under crowd" means he carries Utah's six electoral votes. The most recent poll, from November 1, had Romney squeaking by in Utah, 69% to 26%. We'll need SOME ground game to overcome that.
In the latest map at electoral-vote.com, Romney has 139 EV's from the "strongly GOP" states (which I think are those in which the polling average puts Romney's lead at 10% or more). If Romney wins those states and no others, Obama has 399 EV's. To get even to that level, Obama has to carry states like Georgia, South Carolina, Montana, Arizona, South Dakota, and a few others.
That site's "likely GOP" states total 52 EV's. Adding those to the other Romney states gives him 191 EV's. Obama gets the remaining 347 only by winning ALL the states commonly considered swing states. I'd say that's Obama's upper bound and even getting that high is very unlikely.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)We are still looking at an significant Obama victory under even the most pessimistic "Obama wins" scenario available.
Azathoth
(4,610 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Initech
(100,080 posts)Dan
(3,569 posts)I just don't see the south turning out for R.... just don't see it.
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)there's no way it will be close. Even when racism is factored in. There's no way millions of people are looking at Mitt and saying, "Lies and flip flops aside, Mitt will be a great president!" You can't trust him. Period.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)We did a story in today's paper (go to www.cdapress.com and look for The age-old difference) where our reporter talked to elderly people who like Romney and young people who like Obama...plus one lovable old coot who remembers the two finest politicians this state has ever produced, Frank Church and Cecil Andrus, were both Democrats. Anyway...one person said we need a businessman like Romney to set this country right. The problem with that is, going to Mitt Romney to fix the economy when your problem is undertaxation and wars-on-credit is like taking a hangnail to Jack Kevorkian - what he will do won't fix your problem but it will make your situation worse.
Tribetime
(4,699 posts)Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Especially if we don't slack off.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)National Journal's Jim Tankersely came up with one using CNN's interactive map.
Tribetime
(4,699 posts)rucky
(35,211 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Sounds just like Cramer.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Wouldn't doubt if someone else put him up to it, much like the way they were betting before 9/11.
The corporate moguls have invested every inch of integrity and legitimacy of their paid-for-media into making this look like a close election. In which case it's not hard to imagine a little side betting
Ter
(4,281 posts)Let's all try and be realistic and have some sanity. No chance in Hell Obama gets anywhere near 440 EV's or 55%. Probably 290 and 51%, that's my prediction.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)Would require the entire south going blue or the entire west plus one more state.
Jim Cramer has always been an idiot.
Bill Clinton won big in 1996 and still only got to 379.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I know...I know...tell us how you really feel. lol
n2doc
(47,953 posts)or vote "Jesus". It would be nice but so would winning the lottery.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)AnnieBW
(10,429 posts)He may be an obnoxious douchebag, but at least he's pro-Obama.
RedCloud
(9,230 posts)the electorate is allowed to honestly register to vote and the public has an unbiased pool of info from which to work.