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amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:37 PM Nov 2012

Jim Cramer: Obama Is Going To Obliterate Romney In A Historic Landslide

It's wild and crazy Jim time

"The Washington Post asked a bunch of pundits/gurus/big-names for their electoral predictions.

There's a big list of folks, and almost all see Obama winning.

Among the names on the list. Jim Cramer, who has a SUPER aggressive Obama call.

Whereas most folks see Obama just moderately getting over the 270 mark, he sees Obama winning 440 electoral votes, with 55% of the vote."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jim-cramer-obama-is-going-to-destroy-romney-in-a-historic-landslide-2012-11#ixzz2BDnF5wIG

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Jim Cramer: Obama Is Going To Obliterate Romney In A Historic Landslide (Original Post) amuse bouche Nov 2012 OP
I guess one can hope!! Thekaspervote Nov 2012 #1
cramer's stocks tips are pretty crummy lol nt msongs Nov 2012 #2
Some are good, some are not good. The stock market isn't a sure thing. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #48
Cramer gives stock advise professionally though. That means "it's tough!" isn't a good excuse. nt Romulox Nov 2012 #51
Yes. But it's not a sure thing. As I said, if it were, we'd all be wealthy. The market Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #57
Cramer has a *TV SHOW* in which he gives *STOCK ADVICE*. He's been caught *PUMPING*. Romulox Nov 2012 #62
Also, Cramer isn't a mathematician or an expert in probability. Dunno where you're getting that. nt Romulox Nov 2012 #63
Let's keep in mind how stunningly wrong Cramer's predictions have been in the past. Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #3
I am feeling it more like like he is, actually, rather than as the conventional pundits. Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #4
I called 322 EV's for the POTUS in Aug. TeamPooka Nov 2012 #6
That's the same number I've been using since about early to mid Sept davidpdx Nov 2012 #43
that';s the sleeper I'm counting on to win the pool TeamPooka Nov 2012 #50
I'm not in the pool davidpdx Nov 2012 #60
not much of a fan; although I like his prediction this time Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #5
My gut's whisper of "landslide" Mira Nov 2012 #7
Cramer didn't used to like Obama did he? EC Nov 2012 #8
You're confusing liking someone with predicting who wins. That's the false criticism of Nate Silver. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #49
Cramer is a stock pumper. None of what he says is personal. nt Romulox Nov 2012 #53
I have no idea GP6971 Nov 2012 #9
You betcha I'll rec-ya! (er, or something like that....!) nt riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #10
Well I would love for Kramer to be right on this one standingtall Nov 2012 #11
Cramer is Donald Trump without the bad hair and without all the bankruptcies BlueStreak Nov 2012 #12
Oh dear Gawd, now I'm actually worried alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #13
Same here. When he says "buy", it's time to "sell". fujiyama Nov 2012 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author -LOKI -BAD FOR YA Nov 2012 #28
unless he wins Texas, South Carolina and Georgia WooWooWoo Nov 2012 #14
Texas, Georgia, Arizona, North Dakota and Montana are probable for Obama. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #20
I had heard that Arizona was a good possibility. GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #38
I want what you're drinking Ter Nov 2012 #40
"Probable"? Codeine Nov 2012 #45
Delusional post. Archbishop Nov 2012 #61
You mean breaks left... qanda Nov 2012 #33
Uh oh. This guy's role professionally is to Always Be Wrong. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #15
JC? From "Mad Money"? Yul A Nov 2012 #16
Now I am worried he is about as accurate with predictions doc03 Nov 2012 #17
I like him. He's not afraid to tick off either side. liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #18
350 is doable, 440 is almost certainly not jmowreader Nov 2012 #19
The link amuse bouche Nov 2012 #23
I figured he was relying on Texas going blue jmowreader Nov 2012 #26
I'm thinking 358 is definitely doable. nt greyl Nov 2012 #27
Anything but Cramer's wet dream is feasible jmowreader Nov 2012 #35
You need to refine your "High" prediction a bit Jim Lane Nov 2012 #56
Okay, add Utah to that total jmowreader Nov 2012 #58
I hope Jim realizes you can't inflate the electoral vote just by talking it up n/t Azathoth Nov 2012 #21
haha exactly, it's not Apple n/t flamingdem Nov 2012 #29
Jim Cramer is batshit crazy but this is something I'd like to see! Initech Nov 2012 #22
I see a high vote turnout for O, Dan Nov 2012 #24
As worried as I am about fraud and turnout, my heart is telling me that ecstatic Nov 2012 #30
Millions will. Tens of millions won't jmowreader Nov 2012 #55
I would love it..that would really put the polling in perspective in the future Tribetime Nov 2012 #31
One can dream, right? Zalatix Nov 2012 #32
NOBODY is winning in a landslide! NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #34
"UPDATE: We were wondering what a 440-to-96 map would even look like." Leopolds Ghost Nov 2012 #36
Has a nice Christmas like look to it. Tribetime Nov 2012 #46
He's trying to pump up his Intrade shares. rucky Nov 2012 #37
That was my first thought, too. MineralMan Nov 2012 #54
So you got it that he is saying one thing but got his Benjamin's on the other side? nolabels Nov 2012 #65
What a fool Ter Nov 2012 #39
440 is not going to happen for a Dem for years, if ever. Jennicut Nov 2012 #41
I totally concur. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #42
Jim Cramer is a douche-bag idiot davidpdx Nov 2012 #44
Only way this happens is if all the fun dies stay home n2doc Nov 2012 #47
Cramer isn't a "pundit" guys--he's a scheister. But he doesn't even claim to be a "pundit". nt Romulox Nov 2012 #52
It'll Be The First Time that Cramer Is Right About Anything AnnieBW Nov 2012 #59
This *could* happen IF RedCloud Nov 2012 #64

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
48. Some are good, some are not good. The stock market isn't a sure thing.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 09:36 AM
Nov 2012

If it were, we'd all be making hand over fist money in our 401ks.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
57. Yes. But it's not a sure thing. As I said, if it were, we'd all be wealthy. The market
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 05:40 PM
Nov 2012

acts in mysterious ways. He gives advice on the health of a business and whether he THINKS a stock will do well in the near or far term, but IT IS NOT GUARANTEED. It's his professional opinion, after studying up on the business.

It's a probability thing. Like Nate Silver's probabilities.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
62. Cramer has a *TV SHOW* in which he gives *STOCK ADVICE*. He's been caught *PUMPING*.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:43 AM
Nov 2012

You are entitled to your own opinion, but you aren't entitled to your own facts.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
3. Let's keep in mind how stunningly wrong Cramer's predictions have been in the past.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:40 PM
Nov 2012

The year 2000 and the term "tech stocks" come to mind...

I sure wouldn't bank all my hopes on what this blowhard says. 440 electorals?

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
4. I am feeling it more like like he is, actually, rather than as the conventional pundits.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:41 PM
Nov 2012

I think we have perfect upward momentum while Mitch is in a nose dive death spiral.

Obama is drawing huge crowds in red states while Mitch is drawing Mitch crowds.

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
6. I called 322 EV's for the POTUS in Aug.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:42 PM
Nov 2012

I still stand by it and think I might be under the winning total.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
43. That's the same number I've been using since about early to mid Sept
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 09:03 AM
Nov 2012

Of course that counts on Florida going for Obama

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
5. not much of a fan; although I like his prediction this time
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:42 PM
Nov 2012
http://www.erictyson.com/articles/20080922


Bear Stearns. Cramer recommended buying this stock on 8/17/07 at $118.20 per share. He lost 95 percent on this one - selling at just under $6 per share on 3/20/08.

Morgan Stanley. Cramer recommended buying this stock on 9/15/06 at $70.95 per share. Its recently been trading around $25.
Lehman Brothers. Cramer recommended this stock on 10/17/05 at $55.18 per share. On 9/5/08 with the stock trading at $16 per share, on CNBC, Cramer selected Lehman as a "screaming buy" and said things couldn't get any worse for the company. The firm went bankrupt and the stock trades for pennies per share for more than a 99 percent loss for Cramer.

Merrill Lynch. Cramer recommended buying this stock on 9/19/05 at $60.17 per share and sold it on 9/12/08 for $17.05 per share for a 72 percent loss.

In the 12/30/07 issue of New York Magazine, Cramer made investing in Goldman Sachs his #1 recommendation for the year. He said looking ahead through the end of 2008, "Goldman Sachs makes more money than every other brokerage firm in New York combined and finishes the year at $300 a share. Not a prediction-an inevitability." Goldman has been trading in the $150s.

EC

(12,287 posts)
8. Cramer didn't used to like Obama did he?
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:46 PM
Nov 2012

I seem to remember him complaining about him. I know this past year he's been saying nice things, but I do seem to recall some hits earlier on.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
49. You're confusing liking someone with predicting who wins. That's the false criticism of Nate Silver.
Reply to EC (Reply #8)
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 09:38 AM
Nov 2012

One has nothing to do with the ohter.

If Romney were leading in most of hte battleground state polls, I might predict a Romney win, although I don't like Romney and didn't vote for him.

BTW, Cramer is a moderate Democrat. Or at least used to be. Mainly, he's an investment guy, though.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
11. Well I would love for Kramer to be right on this one
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:52 PM
Nov 2012

but I don't see it happening. Although I think Obama wins handily with 323 electoral votes.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
13. Oh dear Gawd, now I'm actually worried
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:56 PM
Nov 2012

This shitbag is wrong about everything. He was telling people to buy Lehman the week before it collapsed. He's a know nothing motherfucker.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
25. Same here. When he says "buy", it's time to "sell".
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:31 AM
Nov 2012

He's like Bill Kristol or Dick Morris - I don't understand why these guys get paid to be so wrong about EVERYTHING.

Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #13)

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
14. unless he wins Texas, South Carolina and Georgia
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:56 PM
Nov 2012

no way he reaches 440. Or anywhere close to it.

330 is about his ceiling. And that's if everything breaks right.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
38. I had heard that Arizona was a good possibility.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:38 AM
Nov 2012

And, that Georgia was a long shot, but I hadn't heard about those other three. South Carolina was mentioned earlier in the thread, and I haven't seen a poll for this state since January. That one had the President down by only 5 points. Judging by the lack of enthusiasm for Slick Willard that I have seen among my fellow South Carolinians, I wouldn't be surprised if it's still that close.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
15. Uh oh. This guy's role professionally is to Always Be Wrong.
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:57 PM
Nov 2012

I don't think that's necessarily the case here, since presumably no money's directly involved in his prediction. But any time it is, his calling clearly has been to Fuck You Over. You'd be rich if you'd followed a strict line of betting the other way from what Cramer recommends. It's hard to believe there is no Anti-Cramer Index, or maybe I missed it. On the face of it it's also hard to believe this pump-and-dump whore still has a program, especially after Stewart's excellent televised assassination. Except, of course, that Cramer is not at all a failure. He is a functioning cog in the system, once you understand that it is supposed to suck small-investor patsies into the wood-chipper. (The Sirens who lured sailors to their deaths at least had a lovely song, unlike the unbearable noise of Cramer's show.)

Cramer, Dow at 36,000 and the sad lack of a guillotine in American life. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/JackRiddler/316

I guess the hardest part to believe is that anyone still watches the show, after all the people he's screwed with his fake-ass predictions. There's a certain class of system-supporting celebrity pundit who simply cannot be put down. Doesn't matter how wrong they are, what stupid things they write, what scandals they get embroiled in, year-in-year-out, they are never discredited. (See Joe Klein, Tom Friedman, David Brooks, etc. etc.) HuffPo is part of that culture, of course.

Finally, those of you still equating the DJIA with the nation's interest and wanting to claim credit on Obama's behalf should rethink that. It's peaked again and we will be revisiting the under-10,000 territory. These are the dynamics of capitalism; the standard array of government policies only make temporary differences.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
19. 350 is doable, 440 is almost certainly not
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 12:11 AM
Nov 2012

I need to do a trip to electoral-vote.com for this, but 440 probably requires every state with 5 or more EV, including Texas which we won't get.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
26. I figured he was relying on Texas going blue
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:35 AM
Nov 2012

If it was Brian Schweitzer running against Romney, then yeah I could see it: he's a rancher who hunts, and he looks like a NASCAR team owner. (On this I am not kidding:


This is Brian Schweitzer, the current governor of Montana.


This is Richard Childress, CEO of the racing team Dale Earnhardt drove for until he got killed doing it.)

But Obama? WAY too many anyone-but-Obama types down there for him to win it.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
35. Anything but Cramer's wet dream is feasible
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:43 AM
Nov 2012

The margins of Obama's inevitable victory are:
Low: 302 electoral votes. I think we'll cross 250 before the California polls close, and not even Rush Limbaugh thinks he can win Calif.
High: Everything except Texas and the four-and-under crowd.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
56. You need to refine your "High" prediction a bit
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:59 PM
Nov 2012

Obama taking &quot e)verything except Texas and the four-and-under crowd" means he carries Utah's six electoral votes. The most recent poll, from November 1, had Romney squeaking by in Utah, 69% to 26%. We'll need SOME ground game to overcome that.

In the latest map at electoral-vote.com, Romney has 139 EV's from the "strongly GOP" states (which I think are those in which the polling average puts Romney's lead at 10% or more). If Romney wins those states and no others, Obama has 399 EV's. To get even to that level, Obama has to carry states like Georgia, South Carolina, Montana, Arizona, South Dakota, and a few others.

That site's "likely GOP" states total 52 EV's. Adding those to the other Romney states gives him 191 EV's. Obama gets the remaining 347 only by winning ALL the states commonly considered swing states. I'd say that's Obama's upper bound and even getting that high is very unlikely.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
58. Okay, add Utah to that total
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:13 PM
Nov 2012

We are still looking at an significant Obama victory under even the most pessimistic "Obama wins" scenario available.

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
30. As worried as I am about fraud and turnout, my heart is telling me that
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:54 AM
Nov 2012

there's no way it will be close. Even when racism is factored in. There's no way millions of people are looking at Mitt and saying, "Lies and flip flops aside, Mitt will be a great president!" You can't trust him. Period.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
55. Millions will. Tens of millions won't
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:24 PM
Nov 2012

We did a story in today's paper (go to www.cdapress.com and look for The age-old difference) where our reporter talked to elderly people who like Romney and young people who like Obama...plus one lovable old coot who remembers the two finest politicians this state has ever produced, Frank Church and Cecil Andrus, were both Democrats. Anyway...one person said we need a businessman like Romney to set this country right. The problem with that is, going to Mitt Romney to fix the economy when your problem is undertaxation and wars-on-credit is like taking a hangnail to Jack Kevorkian - what he will do won't fix your problem but it will make your situation worse.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
36. "UPDATE: We were wondering what a 440-to-96 map would even look like."
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:29 AM
Nov 2012

National Journal's Jim Tankersely came up with one using CNN's interactive map.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
65. So you got it that he is saying one thing but got his Benjamin's on the other side?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:04 PM
Nov 2012

Wouldn't doubt if someone else put him up to it, much like the way they were betting before 9/11.

The corporate moguls have invested every inch of integrity and legitimacy of their paid-for-media into making this look like a close election. In which case it's not hard to imagine a little side betting

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
39. What a fool
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:38 AM
Nov 2012

Let's all try and be realistic and have some sanity. No chance in Hell Obama gets anywhere near 440 EV's or 55%. Probably 290 and 51%, that's my prediction.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
41. 440 is not going to happen for a Dem for years, if ever.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:43 AM
Nov 2012

Would require the entire south going blue or the entire west plus one more state.

Jim Cramer has always been an idiot.

Bill Clinton won big in 1996 and still only got to 379.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
47. Only way this happens is if all the fun dies stay home
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 09:21 AM
Nov 2012

or vote "Jesus". It would be nice but so would winning the lottery.

AnnieBW

(10,429 posts)
59. It'll Be The First Time that Cramer Is Right About Anything
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:47 PM
Nov 2012

He may be an obnoxious douchebag, but at least he's pro-Obama.

RedCloud

(9,230 posts)
64. This *could* happen IF
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:50 PM
Nov 2012

the electorate is allowed to honestly register to vote and the public has an unbiased pool of info from which to work.

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