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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRS_CHURCH_POLITICS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-03-12-51-33NEW YORK (AP) -- For the past three years, the Internal Revenue Service hasn't been investigating complaints of partisan political activity by churches, leaving religious groups who make direct or thinly veiled endorsements of political candidates unchallenged.
The IRS monitors religious and other nonprofits on everything from salaries to spending, and that oversight continues. However, Russell Renwicks, a manager in the IRS Mid-Atlantic region, recently said the agency had suspended audits of churches suspected of breaching federal restrictions on political activity. A 2009 federal court ruling required the IRS to clarify which high-ranking official could authorize audits over the tax code's political rules. The IRS has yet to do so.
Dean Patterson, an IRS spokesman in Washington, said Renwicks, who examines large tax-exempt groups, "misspoke." Patterson would not provide any specifics beyond saying that "the IRS continues to run a balanced program that follows up on potential noncompliance."
However, attorneys who specialize in tax law for religious groups, as well as advocacy groups who monitor the cases, say they know of no IRS inquiries in the past three years into claims of partisanship by houses of worship. IRS church audits are confidential, but usually become public as the targeted religious groups fight to maintain their nonprofit status.
Anthony McCarthy
(507 posts)they should lose their tax exemptions. But we live in a country where "non-profit" groups can rake in millions from billionaires to fill the media with lies. I don't think this is going to get better until the Supreme Court gets some members who have a clue about what self-government by an accurately informed People is, some who have actually run for office, some who aren't full of Olympian BS from Ivy League law schools.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Historically, black churches have been the soul of the community and the focal point for raising political fervor and funds. It has been that way for generations. If you want to go after the fundies for political activities, you will also be taking on the black churches and community which were politicking well before Billy Graham and some catholic bishops. Think about how President Clinton spoke at black churches...it is not like he was guest preacher giving a sermon.
Anthony McCarthy
(507 posts)with churches and entire denominations telling people how to vote. I'm entirely in favor of religious people expressing their religious ideas within politics, even of pointing out a religious obligation to cast a vote informed by the facts and moral values. I'm against tax-exempt groups telling people how to vote. I'm also against that for secular tax-exempt organizations.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)The cause and the person were preached from the pulpit regularly. This is not new...be careful what you wish for in terms of IRS intervention.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)If they are rules, then someone needs to take responsibility for rules being broken. If its a law that's been broken than some one needs to step in an make something happen so the laws are enforced. If Man A keeps robbing Store B every Thursday at gunpoint at 7pm, and the police refuse to do something about it.. You would think eventually someone is going to have to go above the Police to get this dealt with, in which case it would be to go to the Police Commissioner and make sure the law is enforced.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)do otherwise?
JESUS. AMERICA. JUSTICE. 2012.
CANDO
(2,068 posts)My wife just got home from church and said during sunday school, a man went on a rant about voting pro life. A woman spoke up and said she wasn't there for politics. He got pissed off at being challenged, started shouting and walked out. My wife said other people were crying due to the stress it brought on. It was bad. I told her this is why I no longer go to church or consider myself religious. I'm sick and tired of conservatives "owning" Christianity.
UTUSN
(70,708 posts)Besides that Catholic priests preach their single issue from the pulpit (filtering down to me through relatives & their friends), there's this TOTALLY OBNOXIOUS fundie minister who advertises on the local radio non-stop with wingnut parrot points and does it, not only "directly" (naming the President as satan), but blatantly.
I called the IRS and it was a labyrinth of getting bounced from one department to another until I finally got somebody who supposedly knows the topic, and her answer was "free speech."
I'm all for NO TAX EXEMPTION for any religion. The radio fundie even MOCKS, saying he has free speech. Funny how they don't mind the perks that Caesar provides them, free speech and tax exemption, while firebreathing against Caesar.
And my local radio wingnut yakker tried to correct me by saying it is not Caesar who guarantees free speech, that free speech is a HUMAN right. I replied that, no, it is the TEMPORAL authorities who decide what "rights" are going to be allowed within jurisdictions. I told him that really, the human sciences like anthropology say that MIGRATION is the premier right of species, and this means the wingnuts/TeaBaggers would have to withdraw their objections to "national" lines, as in LENNON's "Imagine," -- Imagine there's no countries .... Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too. And that would totally DESTROY a whole agenda category wingnuts have, hint, nationalism/borders/us-against-everybody, etc.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Didn't this all get is roots in Kansas back about 1906 by some Apostolic crazy. Kind of stayed out of the main stream until Nixon and Lee Attwater and his bunch of crooks. Think this is a result of Nixon's Southern Strategy,using the Abortion and Race cards and pandering to the low information voters. We are at the crescendo,I hope,of this finally. This was to be the fundies biggest election in concert with the Oligarchs to put a Theocracy in the USA.
There will be a ton of finger pointing on Wednesday,that is a given. By the end of 2014,if one follows demographic trends,the Gobber Old Peoples Party will be out of power for at least 4 generations according to Demographers. Loven it and keep the faith.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)I witnessed it regularly growing up.