Your response is perfect, imo.

figured out over the years. However, I think their house of cards has started to crumble. Thank you for your reminder of what a huge difference PBO's incredible fight to get ACA into law is so important and necessary!

things like gay marriage and abortion should trump whether you can put food on the table for your family or not. And for the few economic issues they do talk about, they find convenient scapegoats and then convert them into super-enemies. So everything becomes an apocalyptic fight to the death, just like in every super-hero story where "the fate of the universe is at stake".

Meantime, their eyes are so blinded that they don't see that their quality of life has dropped dramatically. Case in point - Hurricane Katrina. Hurricane Sandy shows us what disaster relief looks like when it's done right. And Hurricane Katrina shows us what FEMA becomes when it's packed with people who don't believe in providing emergency assistance.

A lot of people can't imagine how bad a Romney administration would be -- for them, personally. Hopefully, this video will help them to see it:



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Glad you're BOTH here! (I just saw your post, westladem.) It amazes me how well republi-CONS have been able to put their poisons over on the public! We need you guys - this election is NOT won yet!







Now get to work.

is beginning to figure it out. He's decided that, even though we disagree on many issues, that what we do agree on is more important. And that the basic problem is not that Americans are so divided - it's that we haven't figured out that we're actually much more united than we are divided.

is what a certain segment of the population considers "their best interest". People who oppose Obamacare fall into just 2 categories...Those who have employer provided insurance and those who simply believe they don't need health insurance. Democrats would do well to figure out just what is the white working class believes is in their best interest...until we do, the Republicans will continue to be a ball & chain dragging us ever backward.

said..thank you

Great to have you with us as well. We need you! The clock is ticking, and this election is not signed, sealed, and delivered to Obama yet.






Now get to work.

Did your 'friend' respond?

You should ask yourself why your friend is desperate to repeal the ACA. Is it because they think poor people (esp. nonwhites) should "know their place?" Is it because they think insurance companies should dictate terms to both providers and patients? or are they just a dumb fucking cow, swept along with the rest of the herd?

did you get any response from her or anyone else?

My husband would have to stay forever with this company. Never understood why so many middle and lower class republicans vote against things that help keep them from living on the street. You said it well and I hope a few read it and it registers in some way.

Well done.

insurance and your older daughter is having a baby on health insurance you own. Would you want to end it and end your daughter's health insurance?

"Yes."

Dicks are everywhere. However, they aren't enough to counteract others. My granddaughter's entire family on both sides are voting for Obama just for the health care.

is just the race of our POTUS then. sad indeed. Would hurt his own daughter!!!????? Mean spirited racist.

to think about. Remember you can always tell her I pray your never in my position. On the other hand without Obamacare and your aging it could happen to you.

I worked for a major health insurance company for nearly 5 years. I saw firsthand how the insurance creeps worked. Insurance companies don't give a damn about you or your families. Having to deny claims, find reasons TO deny claims, etc..it was madness. I hated working there. I truly felt like I was working for the 'enemy.'

But then..when the first of the ACA came into play..it was amazing. I LOVED watching the higher-ups going crazy when PBO was elected and the aftermath was glorious. Oh, you should hear the town-hall meetings we had...hilarious!

Suddenly, more and more mental health services were being covered, preventative health services being paid at 100% with no copays or deductibles, parents able to keep their college-age kids on their insurance longer...SO many great things.

Once our CEO left and another came in, I had to leave...more and more politics were coming into play at work and I just couldn't take it anymore.

Why anyone would vote against the ACA is way beyond me. They have no idea.

I had 2 herniated disks in 2009 and in 2010 had to move from a group policy to a private policy. Texas law allows BCBS, who has insured me non-stop for 25+ years, to place a rider on my private BCBS policy to permanently exclude ANY thing to do with my spine, muscles or nerves.

One of the major reasons I voted this year for Obama to stay in office and the ACA to stay in place.

is, I believe, the incentive for the voter ID laws, voter suppression and intimidation. The rethugs have come to grips (even though they insisted on the snail's pace of implementation) with ACA being in full effect by 2016. It will then be impossible to reverse it. The Democrats can then rightly, claim yet another social program the rethugs opposed. But like Social Security and Medicare, it will be too popular to be undone. The improvement, both socially and economically, will be hard to ignore.

The rethugs, once again, will prove to be an empty vessel organized strictly for the benefit of the 1%. They will then have to claw there way back as they had to after the Depression and FDR's/Democrats 'New Deal'.

The amazing accomplishments of humanity are able to easily provide for basic needs at a small cost compared to all that is produced. Only when a more basic need is met and mastered can we address our higher needs. (Thank you Dr. Maslow!)

I truly believe it is in our DNA to help others with basic needs especially when we have our own basic needs covered - and our outrage at ignoring those needs, plus our knowledge that "we can do it" springs from that.

Physiological needs

Air, water, food, clothing, shelter (Think Sandy)

Safety needs

Personal security
Financial security
Health and well-being
Safety net against accidents/illness and their adverse impacts (Our Poster)


These two levels of need IMHO can and should be addressed by our political structures.

The rest - listed below - are up to each individual and their circumstances. The beauty of it all is that if our political structures function correctly, each and every individual has the same shot at our higher needs (The Pursuit of Happiness?)


Love and belonging

Friendship
Intimacy
Family

Esteem

typical human desire to be accepted and valued by others


Self-actualization

the desire to accomplish everything that one can, to become the most that one can be

Self-transcendence

The spiritual dimension of our personalities

you gave them the facts just as to why you want the ACA to continue, and in a way to keep them from having any rebuttal that would be effective.

I have the same thing with my BIL. I am awaiting a federal appeals court decision on my disability claim (I have the disability proven, it is the date of onset we are appealing), and am without insurance. Of course I can't get insurance I can afford yet.

My BIL said I would be getting Medicare if the case goes through, but I countered that since my blood pressure is not controlled I could be dead before that comes through. The ACA would allow me to be able to see a doctor now, not in a couple of years.

...how it also saves money and is cheaper to have than not to have for the federal debt.

Money trumps compassion for most Republicans so that is the thing to talk to them about. $$$ and how they aren't going to pay more taxes. That's their highest value, no matter how much they wrap themselves in the biblical.

This resonates with RepubliCON mantra and especially low info types whom are always RepubliCON.

hold you in the highest esteem. Thank You for your courage and I applaud your retort to your friend.

madamesilverspurs! Those who want to get of it don't have a clue what it actually Does!

i hope it gave your friend great pause.

And it would be beyond cruel. It would be inhumane and immoral to roll back ACA.

I hope that your medical difficulties can be cleared up. Obama has done so much for everyone and I hope that Romney doesn't make it all go to waste.

The whole thing against 'Obamacare' is nuts. Who wouldn't want millions more people to have healthcare?!?! Europeans think we're nuts (and of course, a certain percentage of us ARE - no, not 99% of the people on this site).

Besides the Lone Ranger-type attitude held by Republicans, they're also against it, of course, due to lots of lies, sound bites, and the simple fact that few of them have bothered to actually *read the details* - what a concept! Remember 'death panels'? What a load of crap.

response. It is very diplomatic.

Many of my inlaws (including most of the LGBT ones) are "like"ing Romney right and left. I have not responded because they are inlaws - and some of them children of one inlaw I got off on the wrong foot with 30-some years ago who has never forgiven me.

But today, when one posted a "can't we all get along" post, saying something nice about Obama - and requesting Obama supporters say something nice about Romney, it was too much.

Here is my response to her:

I have been avoiding saying negative things about Romney on facebook, because I have friends and family who support him. That is about the best I can do.

This election is, literally, life and death for millions of Americans - including your cousin, my daughter. The medical care that keeps her alive costs around $40,000 a year. The year she needs a transplant, the bill will be over a half million dollars - and after transplant it will be closer to $100,000 a year to keep her from rejecting her new liver. The only reason we can pay that now is because the Affordable Care Act lets her stay on my insurance plan. And, when she turns 26 in less than 4 years, the only way she will be able to obtain insurance she can afford is under the Affordable Care Act which - for the first time - does not link access to health care to wealth, health, or the ability to maintain a full time job or student status.

Romney has promised to repeal it on his first day - and his promise that individuals with pre-existing conditions will be able to get insurance is smoke and mirrors. What he has promised is that some individuals with pre-existing conditions insurance will be guaranteed access to insurance (good news for my daughter - she has insurance, and will be able to continue it - if you don't already have insurance, you are out of luck) The premiums, however, will be market based (bad news for my daughter - and everyone else - that means around $20,000 a year - before copays and coinsurance. In addition, prescription copays are generally not capped, and they are around half of her current health care costs). In other words, if she is lucky and can afford it without having any gaps (since gaps make you no longer eligible for the guarantee), she might get away with only having to come up with $30,000 a year for medical care under the plan Romney proposes. The chances that she will be able to make $30,000 more than she needs to live on, in order to be able to afford health care, are near zero.

So - it has been very hard for me to see all of the people I know who care about my daughter supporting someone whose policies will prevent her from getting the health care she needs to survive. So far I have not de-friended anyone, or even shut off the newsfeeds, but it is incredibly painful. I have not bashed Romney, and I will continue not to, but I also hope that when you vote you will think about the real impact of Romney's proposals on the people you love who have chronic costly illnesses through no fault of their own.

he couldn't repeal it the first day if he wanted to. And it'll be difficult even over time - and he's even said now (which shows what a crock most of his 'ideas' are) that 'parts of it' he wants to keep.

But besides all of that, I agree with you, and the person who started this thread, that at least sometimes, even against relatives that we 'don't want to upset', we have to SPEAK UP. I said 'I wouldn't vote for him for dogcatcher', referring to Bush, at a family get-together several years ago, and oh man, did I cause an uproar! But I couldn't take it any more.

He has stated that people with preexisting conditions will be covered. When you read the plan on his website, what he means is people with preexisting conditions, who already have insurance, cannot be rejected by a subsequent employer's insurance - and that anyone previously insured may extend insurance as a private plan, but that there are no price caps. That was the law under HIPAA (since around 1998) - so "keep" to Romney means he will not roll back the completely inadequate 1996 HIPAA law (which was the only ray of hope in several decades - if I managed to scrape together enough money to keep myself or my daughter covered without a gap in coverage we could get insurance. It might cost a fortune, but it would always be available.

Under that law, the scenario is what I outlined (I just didn't go into detail about the prior law for my niece). Roughly $30,000 a year.

The House has voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act repeatedly. If Romney wins, it is likely that things will be bad in the senate (since the top of the ticket usually pulls seats farther down along with them). The new congress is seated early January, so depending on how bad the losses are in the Senate - and how much stomach the senate Dems have for holding firm in the face of public rejection of the ACA, the bill could be on his desk the day he arrives in office.

I hope that won't happen - but it is his stated intent (and the active intent of the House Rs) and not outside the realm of possibility.

Did you get any facebook feedback?

Brava!You would think that anyone with even a drop of humanity would see that "Obamacare"is a long overdue change in America's outrageously illogical health care system.Why can't the people who see it as a hand out to lazy good for nothings open their eyes to the reality: IT ACTUALLY SAVES YOU MONEY,HOSER! I think that the majority of
American workers live from paycheck to paycheck so that if they lost their job tomorrow they could only survive for a few months on their available funds and God forbid they or a family member becomes ill perhaps then they would know for whom the bell tolled.

thank you for your eloquence...