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Question about Nate Silver... (Original Post) Archae Nov 2012 OP
Nope. He's not a Democrat, either, though some would like to own him. MADem Nov 2012 #1
No rightsideout Nov 2012 #2
I think he also predicted a Walker victory in the recall. forthemiddle Nov 2012 #14
He thought Walker would win. Jennicut Nov 2012 #17
Nope... Tnliberallee Nov 2012 #3
Yes Shivering Jemmy Nov 2012 #4
Solid in U.S. elections, and predicted the republican wave in 2010, despite dem criticism. pointsoflight Nov 2012 #5
Nate is never wrong because he deals in probabilities instead of predictions cemaphonic Nov 2012 #6
Humans don't handle probabilities well pokerfan Nov 2012 #15
He had Angle beating Reid my 3% in 2010 pintobean Nov 2012 #7
Yes, and I still haven't forgiven him. Brickbat Nov 2012 #8
Not much data to work with in that race. Viking12 Nov 2012 #20
Yes, he had that psycho woman beating Reid in 2010 Recursion Nov 2012 #9
I'm leery of all predictors of elections. Archae Nov 2012 #10
Lol, you mean from the 50s?? Logical Nov 2012 #19
That was the 1948 election. Archae Nov 2012 #22
I think polling has improved in the last 65 years. Logical Nov 2012 #23
Nate Silver DOES NOT make predictions RomneyLies Nov 2012 #11
Bingo! Quixote1818 Nov 2012 #25
Here's a little more on Nate cleduc Nov 2012 #12
The more data he has the better the quality of his predictions grantcart Nov 2012 #13
No, he is pretty good nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #16
Don't worry gollygee Nov 2012 #18
He got the Marriage vote wrong in Maine in 2009 n/t FreeState Nov 2012 #21
He says he is liberal/libertarian and not voting this year Ruby the Liberal Nov 2012 #24

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. Nope. He's not a Democrat, either, though some would like to own him.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:26 PM
Nov 2012

He's a libertarian who loves his work. He's a numbers geek. It's his "thing."

rightsideout

(978 posts)
2. No
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:28 PM
Nov 2012

He also predicted victory for the Republicans in 2010.

He predicted Obama would win in the 2008 election within 1 percentage point.

The Right says Nate is a cheerleader for the Democrats but they forget he predicted the Republicans would pull it off in 2010.

forthemiddle

(1,381 posts)
14. I think he also predicted a Walker victory in the recall.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:36 PM
Nov 2012

At that time, people on DU chose not to believe him, but he was of course, correct.
Maybe I am remembering that incorrectly?

Tnliberallee

(59 posts)
3. Nope...
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:30 PM
Nov 2012

Silver and Sam Wang of Princeton have both been dead on...Indiana was the only state Nate missed in 2008...Dr. Wang only missed the single EV vote that came out of Omaha.......Dr Wang has Obama winning also....

pointsoflight

(1,372 posts)
5. Solid in U.S. elections, and predicted the republican wave in 2010, despite dem criticism.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:37 PM
Nov 2012

So his forecasts have been solid in both directions, and he's put them out there in the face of criticism on both sides.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
6. Nate is never wrong because he deals in probabilities instead of predictions
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:44 PM
Nov 2012

His model gives Romney about 1/7 chances of winning, largely on the possibility that the polling might be less accurate this cycle than before. So if Romney wins, it doesn't make him wrong, just says that the more improbable event happened.

That said, a Romney win would almost certainly end his 'polling guru' reputation. And yeah, he has been very accurate in the past.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
15. Humans don't handle probabilities well
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:55 PM
Nov 2012

Imagine it's NLHE and all the money's in the middle before the flop. Obama has AhAd vs. Romney's KsQs and we're only going to run it once. That's basically all Silver is saying.

Those pocket aces will lose 17.5% of the time.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
8. Yes, and I still haven't forgiven him.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:48 PM
Nov 2012

He caught the trend in MN08 late two years ago. He adjusted his expectations late and ended up wrong on election day, but he was moving toward the outcome that happened.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/forecasts/house/minnesota/8

Cravaack won.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. Yes, he had that psycho woman beating Reid in 2010
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:58 PM
Nov 2012

And he had McCain carrying I think Indiana in 2008.

I think he acknowledges his own personal leanings and hedges some closes races the other way because of that.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
11. Nate Silver DOES NOT make predictions
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:01 PM
Nov 2012

Nate, as any statistician, deals in PROBABILITY.

Right now, the PROBABILITY of an Obama win on November 6 is 85.1%.

There is no way to make an accurate data driven prediction, you can only work in probability. Until probability reaches precisely 100%, there is always a chance for the opposite outcome.

 

cleduc

(653 posts)
12. Here's a little more on Nate
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:05 PM
Nov 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Silver
The accuracy of his November 2008 presidential election predictions—he correctly predicted the winner of 49 of the 50 states—won Silver further attention and commendation. The only state he missed was Indiana, which went for Barack Obama by 1%. He also correctly predicted the winner of all 35 Senate races that year.


He's also done very well in the 2008 primaries, the 2010 election, the 2012 primaries, senate races, and the Walker recall.

In very tight races/toss ups - almost coin tosses, Nate's been on the side of right 70+% of the time.

When Nate has given an election a 90% chance or better for the favorite, the favorite has never lost. And one could make a case that that makes Nate wrong because something less than 10% of those should have lost. I'm not making that case.

But that's a key point many seem to miss about Nate and his approach. On any given prediction where Nate says something is less than 100%, that also means there's some sort of a smaller chance it could go the other way. And what I have concluded is that on the high end, Nate may be a bit conservative with his numbers. Maybe Nate's 90% chance works out closer to 99% for example.

In the 80-90% category, I think he's been right slightly less than 80% of the time and therefore, not as conservative.

As Nate provides % of chance, his work cannot be evaluated over one contest. It must be evaluated over a series of contests. To date, over many contests, his work stands up as arguably the best in the business of what he does.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
13. The more data he has the better the quality of his predictions
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:08 PM
Nov 2012

The fewer polls that he can use the less viable the model.

That is why he is somewhat desperate for poll data.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
24. He says he is liberal/libertarian and not voting this year
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:48 PM
Nov 2012

but would be voting for Gary Johnson if he was. It was in an interview the other day, but I don't remember which publication.

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