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Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:26 PM Nov 2012

Can someone explain to me how it is possible for a Catholic cleric to be on teevee in a political ad

Baltimore Archbishop Lori is all over our teevees telling us how bad it will be if we vote to enshrine marriage equality into law.

He's wearing his bishop getup. He's subtitled as Archbishop Lori. The logo of the Baltimore archdiocese is all over the ad.

I can't find the teevee spot, but it was cut from this long form video (9 minutes): http://www.archbalt.org/about-us/election-video.cfm

Why is the IRS not all over this?

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Can someone explain to me how it is possible for a Catholic cleric to be on teevee in a political ad (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 OP
which is why blueknight Nov 2012 #1
How about this angle: Since the USA diplomatically recognizes the Vatican as a sovreign byeya Nov 2012 #2
you beat me Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #7
Why are we allowing a foreign country tell us how to run our country?? Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #3
Clergy are not prohibited from speaking out on issues, including those on the ballot. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2012 #4
Because it's an issue SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #5
They should take away their tax-exempt status ann--- Nov 2012 #6
He is not allowed to endorse inside the church. Outside it is a different story. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #8
IRS not enforcing rules on churches, politics - See LBN link below... Bozita Nov 2012 #9
The First Amendment RomneyLies Nov 2012 #10
I've actually seen an Episcopal priest in a pro gay marriage commercial liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #11
Clergy can campaign on issues. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2012 #12
but that is exactly how they get away with standing at their pulpit in the church liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #13
Depends on the church..... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2012 #14
Be Careful about what you wish for - Father Drinan OutNow Nov 2012 #15

blueknight

(2,831 posts)
1. which is why
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:30 PM
Nov 2012

i have been saying for years, churchs should lose their tax exempt status. they are a fucking business with thousands of employees

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
2. How about this angle: Since the USA diplomatically recognizes the Vatican as a sovreign
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:33 PM
Nov 2012

natiion, the good Bishop is an official of a foreign country and is manipulating the US voting process for his nation's (Vatican City) benefit.
Why do we have diplomatic relations with the Vatican? Since we do, why are they exempt from our laws and accepted standards of behavior?

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
3. Why are we allowing a foreign country tell us how to run our country??
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:34 PM
Nov 2012

Archbishop has pledged to obey the Pope.
The Pope is the leader of a foreign city/state


and it has been explained on DU just recently that the IRS has stopped investigating because they have not authorized anyone to investigate .......... not sure where the post is

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
4. Clergy are not prohibited from speaking out on issues, including those on the ballot.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:35 PM
Nov 2012

However, they cannot expressly campaign on behalf of any candidate.

Since the commercial at question here appears to go towards an issue (gay marriage) and not a particular candidate, it isn't prohibited.

Hope this helps.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
5. Because it's an issue
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:35 PM
Nov 2012

And making statements about issues is not considered a violation. The issue itself is non-partisan, so he is free to comment on it directly.

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
6. They should take away their tax-exempt status
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:35 PM
Nov 2012

and pay taxes on their income and property taxes on all those very, very expensive churches they
promote their politics in. Sickening.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
10. The First Amendment
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:38 PM
Nov 2012

100% legal.

OF course, there's no First Amendment guarantee to having a tax exempt charitable organization status.

HE can say what he likes. His directive to the parishes should end with the loss of 501.C.3 status for the Roman Catholic church.

That also means that, under the law, the Roman Catholic Church would have to provide insurance that covers birth control to all employees, since they will no longer be a church under US tax code.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
11. I've actually seen an Episcopal priest in a pro gay marriage commercial
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:39 PM
Nov 2012

I was surprised but thought it was cool although neither side should really be doing it.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
13. but that is exactly how they get away with standing at their pulpit in the church
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:48 PM
Nov 2012

on Sunday morning telling their congregation to vote against socialism, vote for family values, vote to protect marriage, vote for life. Just because they don't come out and say the candadite's name does not mean that is not the effect it has. The congregation knows exactly who the priest is talking about when they say those things. If they're going to do it they should lose their tax exempt status.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
14. Depends on the church.....
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 05:06 PM
Nov 2012

....I can only speak from my experience as a Catholic and what I've personally heard. And I've never heard a Catholic cleric ever tell me I must vote for any candidate, even when one might imply that a particular candidate is favored.

And when the matter is a ballot initiative, such as in the OP, it's a bit of a logical leap to think that advocating for a side on the initiative requires a carryover vote instruction on the partisan races. You might presume that advocacy for or against a particular ballot initiative on gay marriage or abortion means they also are demanding that their congregation must vote for the partisan candidate that appears closest to the church's opinions on those issues, but that's never been explicitly been stated.

OutNow

(864 posts)
15. Be Careful about what you wish for - Father Drinan
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 05:07 PM
Nov 2012

Before you condemn all clergy from speaking about political issues - please remember that there are progressive clergy who support us. Maybe you are too young to remember, but I'm 62 and recall fondly Congressman Robert Drinan, a Catholic priest who was a leader in the peace movement in the 1960s / 70s. After winning a seat in Congress from Massachusetts 4 times, he was prohibited from running again by the Pope. But he remained active in the peace movement for decades. Some of the best, most dedicated supporters of the SCLC were clergy, many of them white. I remember many photos of MLK leading marches in the south along with Robert Abernathy, Jesse Jackson, and many Catholic priests in the from row. The United Farm Workers movement led by Cesar Chavez was supported by many active progressive Catholic clergy.

BTW - I am an active non-believer but will work with anyone, including clergy, who support union rights, voting rights, and a world without war.





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