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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:13 PM Nov 2012

Child dead after falling into African wild dog exhibit at Pittsburgh Zoo

PITTSBURGH, PA.—A young boy visiting the Pittsburgh zoo with his mother and friends was killed Sunday when he fell off a deck into an exhibit that’s home to a pack of African painted dogs, who pounced on the boy and mauled him, zoo officials said.

It’s not clear whether he died from the fall or the attack, said Barbara Baker, president and CEO of the Pittsburgh Zoo & PPG Aquarium.

When the boy fell, other visitors immediately told staff members, who responded along with Pittsburgh police. Zookeepers called off the dogs, and seven of them immediately went to a back building. Three more eventually were drawn away from the boy, but the last dog wouldn’t come into the building, and police had to shoot him, Baker said.

“It’s clear that the dogs did attack the child, but whether he died of the attack or the fall has yet to be determined,” Baker said. ..............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1282600--child-mauled-to-death-by-african-wild-dogs-at-pittsburgh-zoo



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Child dead after falling into African wild dog exhibit at Pittsburgh Zoo (Original Post) marmar Nov 2012 OP
the article says his cause of death is unknown, ie it may have been from the fall itself magical thyme Nov 2012 #1
I know. I'm going to rewrite the title in my own words. marmar Nov 2012 #2
The child was a small boy about 3 years old according to KDKA. The question is, how the appleannie1 Nov 2012 #3
The capacity for dangerous and self-destructive behavior of small boys is without limit. LeftyMom Nov 2012 #9
The mom propped him on the railing Nevernose Nov 2012 #22
ALL toddlers do dangerous & self-destructive things when not supervised. Please spare us the sexist kath Nov 2012 #24
I can't speak for small girls, never had one. LeftyMom Nov 2012 #25
From another article: kath Nov 2012 #4
My thoughts exactly appleannie1 Nov 2012 #6
He fell off of a 4' high fence. appleannie1 Nov 2012 #5
Oh my...... Marrah_G Nov 2012 #7
I wonder if the mom was texting or talking on a cell phone rather than watching her kid? kath Nov 2012 #8
another article says no visitors on the deck saw the boy fall in... magical thyme Nov 2012 #11
Did the mother lift the boy onto the fence to see better? appleannie1 Nov 2012 #10
possible, but another article (above) says nobody saw the boy fall in the pen magical thyme Nov 2012 #12
Or jumped in after him. Barack_America Nov 2012 #21
Further proof that some people are not cut out for parenting. AtomicKitten Nov 2012 #13
The mother was holding the boy on the fence when he fell appleannie1 Nov 2012 #14
IMHO, the first priority of a zoo is to keep the animals and people separated jberryhill Nov 2012 #15
They do a pretty damned good job of that, but you can't make everything stoopid-proof. kath Nov 2012 #17
Knowing human nature I would think that is something that would be designed for. Throckmorton Nov 2012 #18
Shocking update: Mother placed 2 year old in standing position on the rail. He almost immediately lo magical thyme Nov 2012 #16
How do you not jump in after your child? Barack_America Nov 2012 #23
I hope the boy died from the fall...mauling is a horrible way to go nadine_mn Nov 2012 #19
Wow..how awful! txdemsftw Nov 2012 #20
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
1. the article says his cause of death is unknown, ie it may have been from the fall itself
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:18 PM
Nov 2012

which makes the article title misleading. Not your fault, but sensationalism on their part.

Also, another article says he fell over a rail, not off a deck. It seems unlikely the deck wasn't surrounded by a rail and fencing, and it also seems unlikely that the railing was shorter than a 3 year old. It seems more negligence on the part of the mother, allowing him to climb the railing, than the fault of the zoo.

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
3. The child was a small boy about 3 years old according to KDKA. The question is, how the
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:28 PM
Nov 2012

heck could he have fallen into the exhibit?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
9. The capacity for dangerous and self-destructive behavior of small boys is without limit.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:38 PM
Nov 2012

Especially if you've got a climber on your hands.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
22. The mom propped him on the railing
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:21 AM
Nov 2012

He wiggled and she lost her grip. This is according to another article I read earlier.

kath

(10,565 posts)
24. ALL toddlers do dangerous & self-destructive things when not supervised. Please spare us the sexist
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:17 AM
Nov 2012

stereotypes.
Looking back to my years in a pediatric ER, plenty of toddler girls as well as boys were brought in for ingesting poisonous substances, near-drownings or drownings from climbing/falling into the family swimming pool, falls from places they shouldn't have been, swallowing pennies/batteries/etc, sticking things up their noses, etc.

In fact the two cases I remember the most were both little girls. And I have a daughter who was a major-league climber as a toddler.

kath

(10,565 posts)
4. From another article:
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:29 PM
Nov 2012
the child, who was about 3 years old, was on an outing with his mother when he fell over a wooden railing and off of a mesh barrier where the painted dogs were on display. A zoo spokeswoman said the wooden railing is 4 feet in height and the lower mesh barrier is 14 feet above the open exhibit space.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-city/child-killed-in-pittsburgh-zoo-exhibit-660606/

So where the heck was the mother when the child climbed over the rail and then was presumably crawling around on the mesh barrier before falling off it?

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
5. He fell off of a 4' high fence.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:32 PM
Nov 2012

Zoo President and Chief Executive Officer Barbara Baker said the child, who was about 3 years old, was on an outing with his mother when he fell over a wooden railing and off of a mesh barrier where the painted dogs were on display. A zoo spokeswoman said the wooden railing is 4 feet in height and the lower mesh barrier is 14 feet above the open exhibit space.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-city/child-killed-in-pittsburgh-zoo-exhibit-660606/#ixzz2BIOtMWHa

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
7. Oh my......
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:33 PM
Nov 2012

I think maybe they need better fencing. not to keep the animals in... but to keep the people out.

kath

(10,565 posts)
8. I wonder if the mom was texting or talking on a cell phone rather than watching her kid?
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:35 PM
Nov 2012

Wouldn't surprise me.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
11. another article says no visitors on the deck saw the boy fall in...
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:43 PM
Nov 2012

presumably that includes the mother, so you may be right...


"No visitors on the observation deck saw the child fall into the exhibit, Baker said."


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/04/14922258-boy-falls-into-pittsburgh-zoo-exhibit-mauled-to-death-by-african-painted-dogs?lite

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
12. possible, but another article (above) says nobody saw the boy fall in the pen
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:46 PM
Nov 2012

and it also says that people started screaming for help after they saw him in the pen.

If the mother was holding him up, she would have seen him fall off the fencing and presumably crawling on the mesh covering over the exhibit and been screaming for help before he was in the exhibit.

It's more and more looking like serious negligence on her part.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
13. Further proof that some people are not cut out for parenting.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:51 PM
Nov 2012

I can't help seeing mom's negligence in this tragedy.

Also it's a damn shame a wild animal is killed for doing what is natural for him in his own habitat. Perhaps it's the right thing to do, but the unfairness of this resonates.

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
14. The mother was holding the boy on the fence when he fell
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:59 PM
Nov 2012

It was just on the local news. He was two years old.

Throckmorton

(3,579 posts)
18. Knowing human nature I would think that is something that would be designed for.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:01 PM
Nov 2012

How many times have you seen a parent holding a child up, or stand them on something to get a better view?

About 30 years ago, I watched from across the street a child, maybe 3 or 4, take a nose dive off of the top of a traffic light control box during a parade. Someone had placed him up there, maybe 6 feet off the ground, presumably so he could see better.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
16. Shocking update: Mother placed 2 year old in standing position on the rail. He almost immediately lo
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 09:27 PM
Nov 2012

lost balance and fell in the enclosure.

"Pittsburgh police Major Crimes Lt. Kevin Kraus said the boy's 34-year-old mother placed the child in a standing position on a wooden railing overlooking the enclosure.
"Almost immediately after that he lost his balance, fell down off the railing into the actual pit and he was immediately attacked by 11 dogs," Lt. Kraus said.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-city/child-killed-in-pittsburgh-zoo-exhibit-660606/#ixzz2BJ3ZzwZr

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
19. I hope the boy died from the fall...mauling is a horrible way to go
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:12 AM
Nov 2012

This is such a horrible and senseless tragedy...the poor boy who lost his life, the dogs that were doing what wild dogs do and one was shot and killed, and of course the mother will have to live with this forever.

What mother stands their 2 yr old on top of a railing at a wild animal exhibit? Even if your child is a young Gabby Douglas, that is crazy to think your child has a good sense of balance or that you have the ability to hang on. I am and always have been a klutz ... I still fall down just standing up. A 2 yr old does not have the motor skills to balance on a railing.

I am trying not to beat up on the mother here but this is just so awful.

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