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Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:12 PM Nov 2012

Need back up info. Is the Salvation Army up to this?

I found this on FB and have been trying to find more info and have had no luck on find out if it is fake or real. So I decided to go to the one group I know that can find anything about anything, the DU GD gang. Please help me to find out more info. I really want to know if this is really happening!Thanks.

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Need back up info. Is the Salvation Army up to this? (Original Post) Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 OP
actually i do remember something along these lines NMDemDist2 Nov 2012 #1
Thanks, will check! Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #3
I knew someone who worked with them (also a Fundamentalist), from what they told me NotThisTime Nov 2012 #2
I know the last time I went in to try and find some clothes for a school play meadowlark5 Nov 2012 #4
Here.... Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #5
I have found the threat in stories from 2010. Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #15
I used to contribute to the SA until I found out they had a virulently anti-gay agenda. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #20
I dropped them years ago. Graybeard Nov 2012 #6
I could be wrong, but I think I remember... sadbear Nov 2012 #7
I went to college with a former member of that church. knitter4democracy Nov 2012 #8
They're a religious charity krispos42 Nov 2012 #9
They are a right-wing, religious nut group as far as I'm concerned. LoisB Nov 2012 #10
Here's their Wiki entry: City Lights Nov 2012 #11
The Salvation Army is a religious based organization that has been involved negatively bluestate10 Nov 2012 #12
2010 & 2004 - threatened to close "soup kitchens" rather (edited) Cerridwen Nov 2012 #13
I saw those to. Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #17
I'm about to edit the post you replied to. Cerridwen Nov 2012 #18
With all the people needing help and they are already there... Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #22
Gotcha! Thanks for replying Cerridwen Nov 2012 #23
I have mixed feelings on them. When I found my Dad after a few years out of touch.. progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #14
Yes I do believe that is accurate. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #16
was Salvation Army the ones who said they wont give toys to kids of illegal immigrants JI7 Nov 2012 #19
They prey on the down and out NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #21
I used to know a woman who grew up in the Salvation Army InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #24

NMDemDist2

(49,313 posts)
1. actually i do remember something along these lines
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:15 PM
Nov 2012

last christmas,

i'd check with the LGBT forum tho, they'll know and have links at their fingertips i'm sure

NotThisTime

(3,657 posts)
2. I knew someone who worked with them (also a Fundamentalist), from what they told me
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:16 PM
Nov 2012

what they told me I would absolutely believe this.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
4. I know the last time I went in to try and find some clothes for a school play
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:22 PM
Nov 2012

they had religious music blasting throughout the store.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
15. I have found the threat in stories from 2010.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:36 PM
Nov 2012

Since this is posted today on FB, I was wanting to know if they were using the hurricane to push their agenda. I have this scary feeling that they are.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
20. I used to contribute to the SA until I found out they had a virulently anti-gay agenda.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:47 PM
Nov 2012

Always knew they were fundy Protestants, and a little wacky, but I never knew they were full of bigots.

Graybeard

(6,996 posts)
6. I dropped them years ago.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:24 PM
Nov 2012

Removed Salvation Army from my charity giving when the original stories started to become public. I'm sure you will get a lot of verification from our DUers.

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
7. I could be wrong, but I think I remember...
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:25 PM
Nov 2012

that the SA refused to give Christmas toys to children of illegal immigrants, too.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
8. I went to college with a former member of that church.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:27 PM
Nov 2012

First of all, it's definitely a church, not merely a charity, and secondly, it's a seriously conservative one. They do great work in some areas, but they really are very conservative, so it's good to remember that when dealing with them.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
9. They're a religious charity
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:28 PM
Nov 2012

There was discussion about this last year, too. I think it was that they would not give help or aid or charity to gay couples.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
12. The Salvation Army is a religious based organization that has been involved negatively
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:32 PM
Nov 2012

with rights for gay people. The people that head up local SA branches are typically very religious couples. I won't deny people their religious point of view, but I do have problems when the POV is such that it justifies discrimination against other human beings. Better religious organizations to contribute to are the YMCA, YWCA and Saint Vincent dePaul, the last, although being associated with the Catholic Church takes a remarkably non-sectarian, non-discriminatory approach to it's operation and delivery of services to the needy.

Cerridwen

(13,258 posts)
13. 2010 & 2004 - threatened to close "soup kitchens" rather (edited)
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:34 PM
Nov 2012

than provide state mandated same-sex coverage per New York civil rights law.

Report from Wisconsin paper (2010):

http://www.wisconsingazette.com/breaking-news/salvation-army-would-close-soup-kitchens-over-gay-benefits.html

Report from Chicago Pride (2004):

http://chicago.gopride.com/news/article.cfm/articleid/1824489

Additional background of history of sa's treatment of those who are part of, in their words, the ‘sinful homosexual lifestyle’ from the New York Times (December 2011):

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/24/us/beliefs-salvation-army-hears-dissent-over-gay-views.html

edited to update dates.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
17. I saw those to.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:38 PM
Nov 2012

This is the first time I saw this on FB. I am scared that they may be trying to use the hurricane to put the government over a barrel.

Cerridwen

(13,258 posts)
18. I'm about to edit the post you replied to.
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:39 PM
Nov 2012

It was 2010 and 2004.

What do you mean about putting the government over a barrel, please?

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
22. With all the people needing help and they are already there...
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:59 PM
Nov 2012

They pull out will leave a pretty good hole. I saw this back in Joplin when the Tornado hit. Certain groups came in and was the biggest part of the help, then seeing they were in a position of power... well you can guess what started to happen.

Cerridwen

(13,258 posts)
23. Gotcha! Thanks for replying
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:30 PM
Nov 2012

and getting that clear for me.

I agree with you. It's an awful state of affairs and can easily be exploited.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
14. I have mixed feelings on them. When I found my Dad after a few years out of touch..
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:35 PM
Nov 2012

..he was living in a transitional Salvation Army shelter in Oregon. They took great care of him, and it allowed him to get back on his feet again, with dignity. They had great services for him and other homeless vets. So I do know that they can do good work. I hate their stance on LGBT rights, but I know firsthand that they do good work in the world. (and My Dad was a liberal as they come, and not religious, and they still helped him.)

It's like I disklike the Red Cross for their ridiculously top-heavy administration, BUT they are there for people in emergencies.

NashvilleLefty

(811 posts)
21. They prey on the down and out
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:50 PM
Nov 2012

hoping they can convert them.

We used to have a Call and Response coupled with a short song back in my HS -

All Sing:
Salvation Aaaaaaarmy,
Salvation Aaaaaaarmy,
Put a nickel in the drum
Save another drunken bum.

Salvation Aaaaarmy,
Salvation Aaaaarmy,

Put a nickel in the drum
and you'll be safe.

Leader (spoken):
In my home town we only had one bar.
Group:
Awhhhhhhh.
Leader:
Three miles long!
Group:
Yea!

All Sing:
(repeat Chorus)

Leader (spoken):
In my home town all the girls wore 3-piece bathing suits.
Group:
Awhhhhhhh.
Leader:
2 band-aids and a cork!
Group:
Yea!

All Sing:
(repeat Chorus)

InsultComicDog

(1,209 posts)
24. I used to know a woman who grew up in the Salvation Army
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:35 PM
Nov 2012

She married a Jewish guy and converted to Judaism.

She didn't mention these specific things but she used to tell stories of the lack of tolerance in the movement.

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