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Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:49 AM Nov 2012

Former Obama drug policy adviser predicts weed war if states legalize

Source: Raw Story

By Stephen C. Webster
Sunday, November 4, 2012 20:19 EST

The Obama administration will not just sit by and watch as up to three states attempt to implement laws legalizing marijuana, one of the president’s former senior drug policy advisers predicted Sunday.

Officially, the Obama administration hasn’t said how it will react if three states legalize marijuana this week, but Dr. Kevin A. Sabet, who spent three years as a senior adviser to Obama’s Office of National Drug Control Policy, thinks he knows.

Speaking to NBC News for a report published Sunday, Sabet warned that voters in Colorado, Washington and Oregon may just bring fire and brimstone down on their heads if they vote for ballot measures that would legalize marijuana under state law.

“Once these states actually try to implement these laws, we will see an effort by the feds to shut it down,” he reportedly said. “We can only guess now what exactly that would look like. But the recent U.S. Attorney actions against medical marijuana portends an aggressive effort to stop state-sponsored growing and selling at the outset.”

Despite the president’s prior support for decriminalization, Obama has cracked down harder on medical marijuana than any president to come before him. In the 17 states where medical marijuana is legal, U.S. Attorneys have enlisted the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to take down hundreds of pot shops in just a few short years.

“The question voters should be asking themselves before voting on these initiatives is this: Is your right to buy pot from a store down the street worth the risk of increased teenage drug abuse, increased enforcement action by the feds, and increased problems like ‘stoned driving?’” Sabet said.

However, it’s not clear that voters will see these potential downsides as outweighing reasons supporters give for legalization, including millions in new tax revenues and vast savings on law enforcement, along with a potential reduction in violence associated with criminal gangs that control the black markets where illegal drugs are sold.

It’s also not clear that legalization would lead to increases in drugged driving accidents — in fact, two professors who examined that question in 2011 found that accidents actually decreased (PDF) in states that legalized medical marijuana.

Supporters also point to similar data that shows teenage drug use went down in Colorado after the state legalized medical marijuana, arguing that requiring an identification to buy the drug is a more effective control than outright prohibition.

Whether any of these arguments will be enough to sway voters remains anyone’s guess, but with only two days remaining before the election, it won’t be long before we find out.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/04/former-obama-drug-policy-adviser-predicts-weed-war-if-states-legalize/

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Former Obama drug policy adviser predicts weed war if states legalize (Original Post) Unknown Beatle Nov 2012 OP
The more states that legalize it, the less power the Federal Government will sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #1
they need to keep their privatized prisons full. 2pooped2pop Nov 2012 #10
Oh noes! jmowreader Nov 2012 #2
... Fumesucker Nov 2012 #3
How will lose if marijuana is legalized? Raster Nov 2012 #4
"Weed War" Iggy Nov 2012 #5
There will be another 'weed war'. randome Nov 2012 #20
Agreed... Iggy Nov 2012 #21
Quit harshing my buzz Vincardog Dec 2012 #27
And so it starts DiverDave Nov 2012 #6
Bullshit right-wing speculation about what the Prez might do in a hypothetical situation. Scuba Nov 2012 #7
Yeah? DiverDave Nov 2012 #8
Yeah because the federal government hasn't been going after legal state growers Marrah_G Nov 2012 #11
Good grief. woo me with science Nov 2012 #17
do they fucking understand 2pooped2pop Nov 2012 #9
Legalization doesn't mean employers can no longer fire you for smoking it. n/t cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #13
but it would come to that eventually. n/t 2pooped2pop Nov 2012 #14
Not necessarily. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #15
I have two comments DrummerMan Nov 2012 #12
My thought here in WA is marlakay Nov 2012 #16
Clearly this guy has an agenda. MisterJones Nov 2012 #18
"Only Nixon could go to China." bemildred Nov 2012 #19
Bull. If and When states begin legalizing it, it's the beginning of the end of prohibtion. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #22
Translation: My Gravy Train is rapidly approaching the end of its line Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #23
The "war" has been on for decades... Tomorrow I vote to start to end it Ohio Joe Nov 2012 #24
I love our President, but I am voting for Medical Weed in Massachusetts on Tuesday. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #25
"The question enablers of the drug war should ask themselves is, is it worth $60 Billion a year Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #26

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
1. The more states that legalize it, the less power the Federal Government will
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:59 AM
Nov 2012

have to stop them. This should be a primary issue for all states to stop the phony Drug War, end the disgraceful incarceration of so many people, mostly minorities, and get some rights restored to the American people.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
10. they need to keep their privatized prisons full.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:08 AM
Nov 2012

You didn't think they were going to put embezzlers, liars and cheaters in there did you. No it's for the god damned pot heads.

I will tell you that Obama is causing more harm with this than any other thing that I know of. This is enough to make me not vote for him. Yes, of course I will, but if I had a viable option, I would not. He is looking the other way of a very serious issue that hurts the poor, middle class and minorities.

Shit, I got to stop thinking about this because it is making me angry enough to not vote.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
2. Oh noes!
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:04 AM
Nov 2012

If they legalize pot for adults, teens will have an easier time getting it? That's the excuse they use to shut down everything. It's getting very old especially since teens have no problem getting pot now.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
4. How will lose if marijuana is legalized?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:29 AM
Nov 2012

1. The drug gangs and cartels responsible for importing and selling;
2. The American for-profit prison industry; and
3. The Military-Industrial Complex which has made a fortune militarizing local police and sheriff departments.

And oh yeah, speaking of those local police and sheriff departments: no longer able to confiscate at will.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
20. There will be another 'weed war'.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:56 AM
Nov 2012

Black market sales to neighboring states. And for those who say that's okay, might I remind you that much of this initiative is framed as a states' rights issue.

I don't see much good coming from this. Some of you say it will be the beginning of the end of prohibition. I really don't think so. The federal government can always cut funding to states that legalize. And then all the arguments about money regarding pot go out the window.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
21. Agreed...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:23 PM
Nov 2012

the huge DISconnect for me here is per the recent Obama biography, apparently he did inhale... quite a bit. this is one more major policy issue where there is ZERO difference between the dems and repugs.



DiverDave

(4,887 posts)
6. And so it starts
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:48 AM
Nov 2012

we WILL win.
The moneyed will TELL the government what to do,as they always have.
WE will win, we just have to stand strong.
Fuck the rich, they have made PLENTY off of our suffering.
Time for them to look elsewhere for mega profits.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
7. Bullshit right-wing speculation about what the Prez might do in a hypothetical situation.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:50 AM
Nov 2012

Personally, I think he's playing 420-level chess.

DiverDave

(4,887 posts)
8. Yeah?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:30 AM
Nov 2012

tell it to the suffering, the people looking at a long sentence, that your chessmaster
put there.
I support him, but I am RIGHT pissed off about his '420 chess'
People are suffering and he doesnt care, he listens to the money.
Is he going to pardon all the folks that were arrested under his watch?
He lied when he said he would lighten up, flat out lied.
But, I'll vote for him simply because there isnt any better.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
11. Yeah because the federal government hasn't been going after legal state growers
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:11 AM
Nov 2012


Pointing out issues the President is lacking on does not make one right wing. It makes one politically and socially aware rather then just a spectator at a sporting event.
 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
9. do they fucking understand
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:02 AM
Nov 2012

how many low and middle income people can't get a job because of pot in their system? You can if you do coke or meth but not pot because it stays in your system so much longer.

You get hurt at work, through no fault but your employers cutting of corners, they test you, blame it on pot you smoked last month, fire you. Now you lose your insurance, lose your job, might as well lose your life.

Pot is not the gateway drug. Alcohol is. Make alcohol as illegal as pot. That's right Obama, your beer making is now illegal. No? Why not? We all know that alcohol is way way worse than pot. And pot has been shown to be helpful as a treatment, not only for the calming ability and that it makes you able to eat, but also has shown to help for heart disease, Alzheimer's, and even cancer.

So who is bringing the pot in from within the govt. that doesn't want to lose their cash cow? Because that and the drug and alcohol company's are what keeps it illegal.

DrummerMan

(23 posts)
12. I have two comments
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:13 AM
Nov 2012

1) this change, just like ending prohibition, has to come from the people up. Not from the top down. As much as I love Obama, can you imagine the racial BS spewing forth from the ignorant Faux herd if a black man legalized weed. I guarantee you, he will only take action when there's no clear other alternative. I have hope that his administration might change course and do more looking the other way term two, but I'm realistic, too. I'm not going to be surprised if that doesn't happen and he continues to come down hard on the cannabis community.

2) This change will come only through sustained and repeated efforts by advocates. From an alternet article via NORML's blog today:

"Similar to alcohol prohibition, cannabis prohibition is a federal policy that largely relies on state and local enforcement. How did federal alcohol prohibition come to an end? Simple. When a sufficient number of states – led by New York in 1923 (several other states, including Colorado, later followed) – enacted legislation repealing the state’s alcohol prohibition laws. With states no longer doing the federal government’s bidding to enforce an unpopular law, the Feds eventually had no choice but to abandon the policy altogether."

I guarantee the only way we'll legalize it is to make the contrary position untenable. This will happen, but it will take time and we need to keep up the fight and be patient towards this end. We need to continually pressure lawmakers, educate the misinformed, and keep advocating for true unbiased research until we achieve our goal of reversing the racist and immoral prohibition of this safe, healing plant.

marlakay

(11,498 posts)
16. My thought here in WA is
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:23 AM
Nov 2012

That we should start by promoting companies using hemp. Let the Feds try to stop that! What are they going to say?

MisterJones

(23 posts)
18. Clearly this guy has an agenda.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:49 AM
Nov 2012

I find it interesting that these" small government" republicans are so adamant about federal intervention and control when it comes to Marijuana enforcement. It seems to be a questionable position for them to take. I also know that the Obama administration was at least ambivalent when it came to Medical Marijuana during the first two years of his administration. It was not until 2010 when Obama appointed a neo-con bush leftover Haag as USAttorney , that MMJ arrests went up and clinics were shut down. In his second term I fully expect Pres. Obama to take a more liberal stance on this issue and I hope that this noise coming from the US attorney is just pre-election bluster for the sake of optics. Hopefully in his second term Obama can shed the bi-partisan nonsense when it comes to social issues because frankly it hasn't been working and it wont work when our Republican congress has no interest in working across the aisle. The first term he had a mandate and was too much in the center to use it effectively with all the obstructionist behavior from the right in congress. Hopefully he can work from a more liberal position in his second.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
19. "Only Nixon could go to China."
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:49 AM
Nov 2012

I predict that Obama will never touch this issue one way or another, and rightly so.

But the notion that the Drug-Feds can make headway without the full support of local authorities is fatuous, look at Mexico if you want to know what that looks like, outlaw drug fiefdoms at constant war within and without. And it is already the case that local authorities in MM states use the Feds to protect local growers against "outside interests".

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
22. Bull. If and When states begin legalizing it, it's the beginning of the end of prohibtion.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:26 PM
Nov 2012

It's an idiotic, indefesnsible policy, and it is crumbling before our eyes.

Like gay marriage. The trickle will become a flood, and the long-overdue change, when it comes, will come relatively fast.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
23. Translation: My Gravy Train is rapidly approaching the end of its line
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:28 PM
Nov 2012

and I would like to keep it chugging along.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
26. "The question enablers of the drug war should ask themselves is, is it worth $60 Billion a year
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:46 PM
Nov 2012

To throw Jamband fans, cancer grannies and Willie Nelson in prison for smoking a relatively harmless plant?"

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