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flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:06 AM Nov 2012

Husted Ohio's "Secretary of Suppression"

Last edited Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:54 AM - Edit history (4)

Sen. Turner - Husted tried to take away Early Voting - that's why he's the Secretary of Supression not the Secretary of State

*** This article is about the provisional ballot issue, there's also Early Voting, and the "Experimental patches" installed on voting machines 30 days ago against the rules since they weren't inspected

A series of missteps by the secretary of state and new rulings by the courts have increased the use of provisional ballots and could delay the outcome of the election and the legitimacy of the final vote.

In Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) and Franklin County (Columbus), voters who requested absentee ballots were wrongly told they were not registered to vote and should cast provisional ballots. The Cuyahoga County Board of Elections quickly followed up with 865 such voters, but in Franklin County a sample of rejected absentee ballot requests found that 38 percent were mistakenly listed as "not registered," according to an analysis by Norman Robbins of Northeast Ohio Voter Advocates. An untold number of would-be absentee voters could fall into this category in Ohio's other eighty-six counties. "The deadline has passed to send these voters absentee ballots," writes Robbins. "Therefore, there needs to be an immediate and broad public announcement that all voters who have been officially informed that they are "not registered' and who believe they truly are registered, should definitely vote a provisional ballot so that their votes might be counted when better searches are done on their provisional ballots." (A computer glitch by the secretary of state's office also delayed the processing of 33,000 voter registration forms, which Husted just sent to local boards of elections this week).

Moreover, any voter who requested an absentee ballot but decides, for one reason or another, to vote in person must cast a provisional ballot. Of the 1.3 million absentee ballots sent to Ohio voters, 1.1 million have been returned, according to Husted's office. But that still leaves up to 200,000 potential votes unaccounted for.

Recent court decisions will also impact the counting of provisional ballots. The US Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit found that ballots cast in the "right church, wrong pew" -- at the right polling place, wrong precinct -- must be counted, despite Husted's objections. But the court sided with Husted that ballots cast at the "wrong church, wrong pew" -- at the wrong polling place and wrong precinct -- won't be counted, and that election officials are not required to tell voters that they're at the wrong location.

A coalition of voting rights groups have filed an emergency injunction against Husted's last-minute provisional ballot directive. Husted's briefs are due in court by November 6. According to Ohio law, provisional ballots won't be counted until 10 days after the election. So, if the presidential election comes down to Ohio and the margin is razor-thin, as many are predicting, we won't know the outcome until well after Election Day. And only then will we find out how many eligible voters were wrongly disenfranchised by the secretary of state.



http://www.opednews.com/articles/Eleventh-Hour-GOP-Voter-Su-by-Ari-Berman-121104-190.html

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Husted Ohio's "Secretary of Suppression" (Original Post) flamingdem Nov 2012 OP
Why isn't he under arrest? Panasonic Nov 2012 #1
Protected by Attorney General, DeWine, (R) FarPoint Nov 2012 #19
Both will be indicted by the feds then Panasonic Nov 2012 #41
I sure would hope so.... FarPoint Nov 2012 #42
Please post an internet link for me malaise Nov 2012 #2
I'm watching the teevee flamingdem Nov 2012 #12
Details when you can, please!! nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #3
Put mini transcript below flamingdem Nov 2012 #13
Is he talking about his plans to deliver OH to Romney? LisaL Nov 2012 #4
It's in his eyes flamingdem Nov 2012 #15
Mother-fer!!!!!! nc4bo Nov 2012 #5
LIAR! FarPoint Nov 2012 #6
What is he saying? LisaL Nov 2012 #8
To paraphrase FarPoint Nov 2012 #17
I thought it was already decided about the provisional votes? flamingdem Nov 2012 #24
Yea...that is my understanding... FarPoint Nov 2012 #31
That's what I thought he was saying, that they upheld what he wanted? flamingdem Nov 2012 #32
Funny thing... FarPoint Nov 2012 #34
Oh, you're in Ohio, please keep us informed! flamingdem Nov 2012 #36
Dayton area....I-70-I-75 crossroads. Romney ads everywhere...every block... carpet-bombing style.... FarPoint Nov 2012 #37
Oh dear, all that Romney, and he's going to hold a rally in Ohio tomorrow flamingdem Nov 2012 #38
I think I saw on the ticker of MSNBC that FarPoint Nov 2012 #39
Not partial to either side? LisaL Nov 2012 #29
Katherine Harris, Redux. nt onehandle Nov 2012 #7
" Voting early has gone very smoothly, no glitches so far"...what a cockroach DMacTX Nov 2012 #9
Don't we have a Constitutional right to vote? justiceischeap Nov 2012 #10
6th circuit just struck down argument about correct info flamingdem Nov 2012 #11
What's that about the court? LisaL Nov 2012 #20
I'm not sure when this was decided but it was a win for Husted flamingdem Nov 2012 #23
Sounds like a partial win. LisaL Nov 2012 #25
Yes, with 600 lawyers from the Obama team I think Husted is a flamingdem Nov 2012 #27
Can it be appealed to a higher court? LisaL Nov 2012 #28
In the msnbc intervew Husted conceded that flamingdem Nov 2012 #30
Husted imposed a rule that if there is a tiny mistake in that data the ballot is invalid .99center Nov 2012 #33
Husted Should Be Busted... Fawke Em Nov 2012 #14
This is very serious. There was incredible interview with him on CNN yesterday... Atman Nov 2012 #16
That was Don Lemon on CNN not doing his job - the software patch is illegal flamingdem Nov 2012 #18
Yes, exactly. What do they expect him to say? LisaL Nov 2012 #21
I'm in love ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2012 #22
I'm glad she opened her eyes about the voting machines flamingdem Nov 2012 #26
Why wouldn't Republicans ignore the law? 99Forever Nov 2012 #35
K&R inamatteroftime Nov 2012 #40

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
12. I'm watching the teevee
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:13 AM
Nov 2012

but put a mini transcript below - he just basically denies there is any kind of problem but the 6th circuit did uphold his ballot filling out rule

FarPoint

(12,444 posts)
17. To paraphrase
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:25 AM
Nov 2012

since I'm to mad to recall details.....

Essentially how he is following the voter state laws eliminated and reduced early voting...talked about the long lines......

Going to Court today over provisional ballots...how now they will be discounted if filled out incorrectly...He states he wants to qualify more votes...Hahaha...showed a copy of the provisional ballot....said the voter is more likely to be correct than the poll worker would be at filling out the form. He claims he wants to resolve this problem! Yea...at the 11th hour ! Claims he is not partial to either side.

Reassures there will be no recount...prepared for a close race.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
24. I thought it was already decided about the provisional votes?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:49 AM
Nov 2012

Did he say they are going to court over that or Early Voting? So many issues!

FarPoint

(12,444 posts)
31. Yea...that is my understanding...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:03 PM
Nov 2012

They are headed back to Court today to stop the change in where the voter must fill out the provisional ballot instead of the poll worker.

The ORC identifies that the poll worker must fill the information out. Husted spewed something about the 6th Circuit Court ????

State Senator Turner was on to counter Husted's lies....

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
32. That's what I thought he was saying, that they upheld what he wanted?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:09 PM
Nov 2012

It looks like it's been in and out of the court over the weekend - he was holding up the ballot and said that - but that doesn't mean it's not going back to court today! 600 lawyers from the Obama team in OH have got to be on top of this!

FarPoint

(12,444 posts)
34. Funny thing...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:20 PM
Nov 2012

I didn't get any updated emails telling me it had already been decided.

I will no doubt get a final update as a Poll Observer....need to be fully prepared.

FarPoint

(12,444 posts)
37. Dayton area....I-70-I-75 crossroads. Romney ads everywhere...every block... carpet-bombing style....
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:22 PM
Nov 2012

The good thing...lots of his signs were blown away in the storm.

Lots of embedded Democrats without signs...Going house to house proved that to me....they keep their support close to the vest so to speak. I'm encouraged. We have had several Obama Rallies....fabulous support...Dayton, Springfield, Lima, Columbus, Cincinnati....Early voting is good. In Dayton...waiting in line to vote is reasonable. I didn't go down this weekend to check...reports were not negative. I have someone there now in line to vote...waiting for feedback.

The southern, Centerville, Oakwood and Kettering area's are strong Romney with again...quite stealth democrats.

Going North on I-75 thru Troy, Piqua, Sidney...Romney dominance.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
38. Oh dear, all that Romney, and he's going to hold a rally in Ohio tomorrow
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:03 PM
Nov 2012

Some DUers saying that makes no sense because it should be a gotv day?!

FarPoint

(12,444 posts)
39. I think I saw on the ticker of MSNBC that
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:16 PM
Nov 2012

Romney was going to Grandville, Ohio....That and Newark Ohio go red I believe. Upper crust $$$ folks.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
10. Don't we have a Constitutional right to vote?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:10 AM
Nov 2012

So, how do state laws begin to trump Constitutional law? This is what I don't get.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
11. 6th circuit just struck down argument about correct info
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:11 AM
Nov 2012

on ballot saying voter more likely to get that right than the poll worker.

(Husted imposed a rule that if there is a tiny mistake in that data the ballot is invalid)

He's trying to "resolve this issue" it's a matter of who fills out the form, at the 11th hour we're discussing it, I'm not partial to who does it. (yeah right)

Do you think they will be a recount?

The voters will decide the outcome, we are prepared for a close race, voting early has gone smoothly.. everybody great job no glitches ... blah blah

Pundit: 4-5000 votes are provisional in Ohio, people move a lot, many lawsuits will follow.

Jansing: what are the chances of a recount in Ohio

Weigel: need a quarter of a percent to have a recount, not that likely

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
23. I'm not sure when this was decided but it was a win for Husted
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:46 AM
Nov 2012

Recent court decisions will also impact the counting of provisional ballots. The US Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit found that ballots cast in the "right church, wrong pew" -- at the right polling place, wrong precinct -- must be counted, despite Husted's objections. But the court sided with Husted that ballots cast at the "wrong church, wrong pew" -- at the wrong polling place and wrong precinct -- won't be counted, and that election officials are not required to tell voters that they're at the wrong location.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Eleventh-Hour-GOP-Voter-Su-by-Ari-Berman-121104-190.html

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
25. Sounds like a partial win.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:50 AM
Nov 2012

Since they will still count the ballots from people in the right polling place but wrong precinct.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
27. Yes, with 600 lawyers from the Obama team I think Husted is a
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:53 AM
Nov 2012

bit under control but there will be more shenanigans!

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
28. Can it be appealed to a higher court?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:58 AM
Nov 2012

With all the shenanigans going on, why should people who are registered to vote not have their vote counted if they went to the wrong polling place?

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
30. In the msnbc intervew Husted conceded that
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:00 PM
Nov 2012

this could end up in a the courts, that was also his way of saying "well I've done what I could and I'm not interfering now". But he mostly got what he wanted -- to reduce the vote count for Democrats and it is too close for comfort.

I'm trying to find info on what the lawyers are doing there, especially the injunction over the Experimental Patches. One more day!

.99center

(1,237 posts)
33. Husted imposed a rule that if there is a tiny mistake in that data the ballot is invalid
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:10 PM
Nov 2012

Oh, another open top 4 was used, INVALID. Hmm, is that a z or s, INVALID. Oops, you used a checkmark instead of an X in the box, INVALID. Etc....

Atman

(31,464 posts)
16. This is very serious. There was incredible interview with him on CNN yesterday...
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:22 AM
Nov 2012

You know CNN, that other "liberal" news station. Oh, wait, they're ALL liberal except Fox.

Anyway, he was pointing out how this software patch was not an issue, because it was merely a new way to download the votes directly to the tabulators. The voting machines and tabulators are two entirely different machines, see? You cast you vote, then the vote gets sent to the tabulator...not problem! There is nothing to worry about.

Of course, the CNN asshole, I think John Roberts, follows up with the hard-hitting question: "So there is nothing vicious in this new software?"

WTF did he think Husted would answer??? "Oh, yes, John...nothing to worry about, but there IS something vicious in the software in that, after you've cast your electronic vote, our new software can then flip it before it is sent to the tabulators in real time."

He claimed the "benefit" was, everyone will get to see the results tabulated in REAL TIME! Does anyone else see how dangerous this is? They can report supposed "real" results even as they're being cast and flipped, before even being certified by the SOC! This is so clearly another Ohio vote-rigging scam, it just makes me sick to my stomach. it will be like Bush's cousin on Fox News calling the election before anyone had a chance to verify it. This is VERY VERY bad!

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
18. That was Don Lemon on CNN not doing his job - the software patch is illegal
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:27 AM
Nov 2012

the freepress.org is reporting on this. They're trying to cover that up but it's clear it falls into the category that has to be inspected and approved and this was not. VERY suspicious. They're trying to get an injunction and FBI computer forensic team on it.

I asked about how they got the information regarding the experimental patches and freepress.org who posts here said: We got it from Wikileaks!

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
21. Yes, exactly. What do they expect him to say?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:43 AM
Nov 2012

He isn't supposed to be installing experimental software for the election.
And yet there he is.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
22. I'm in love
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:45 AM
Nov 2012

with Ohio State Senator Nina Turner.

What I wouldn't give to see a cage match between her and Husted.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
26. I'm glad she opened her eyes about the voting machines
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:51 AM
Nov 2012

Previously she said that they had been inspected but on Ed's show yesterday she acknowledged that there is no reason to be experimenting with elections at this late date - referring to the Experimental Patches that were just illegally installed on voting machines.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
35. Why wouldn't Republicans ignore the law?
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:21 PM
Nov 2012

Given that they know they can do it and won't face any prosecution for it, let alone criminal sanctions?


A laundry list of felons of the worst variety walk free and still infest our political system because we have allowed them to. What will change this time?

Nothing.

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