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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWell, the first post-Citizens United Presidential campaign is OVER, but was it REALLY that bad?
Really? Was it really as catastrophic as it was hyped to be?
Or was it truly the worst 2, 5, 11 or 23 months of your life, politically I mean?
Just trying to gage the room here, because yes it was pretty awful, but because I live in a solidly Red state, I'm sure I didn't feel the full horror of a post-Citizens United world like some of you did.
Is anyone here planning action and/or lawsuits to change what we just went through?
Looking for closing thoughts here, discuss.
LTR
(13,227 posts)Between the presidential race and a very nasty, bitter Senate race, TV is unwatchable. And polite discourse no longer exists here.
Up2Late
(17,797 posts)...which is why I wanted to hear how everyone is feeling now at the end.
Hang in there, it's all over tomorrow, we hope.
LVdem
(524 posts)The political season is WAY to long.
zbdent
(35,392 posts)Sherrod Brown practically rips viable fetuses from their mothers' wombs and bites off their heads ... well, I haven't quite heard the commercial claiming that, but I keep turning the radio off at the first hint of a campaign commercial.
LTR
(13,227 posts)If my local TV is to be believed, Tammy Baldwin is a lefty extremist screaming "you're damn right!" like something out of The Exorcist. And Tommy Thompson is a corporate douchebag. Okay, the second part is right.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Brewinblue
(392 posts)One good thing, however, is that all that money spent on repubes appears to have been for naught.
Greg K
(599 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Depending on exactly what the outcome is it will be nearly a billion a seat change (that is to say a pick up or loss for each party, more actual seats will change than that).
Yes, it was terrible. The endless lies are so prevalent that the truth can't fight through.
Citizens United is causing more division between our citizens. It needs to go.
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)House (not ~5 - +45) , and President Obama.
Then Citizens United will be silenced in time for 2014/2016 elections.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)and this is the most disgusting political campaign of my entire life.
jiro
(7 posts)Racist undertones, socialist, Kenyan, race quarrels (he's not black, he's half white, he's black), unAmerican, terrorist, Muslim, Marxist, more racist undertones, xenophobia and witch hunting. Let's not forget Dumb Palin and John McDisorganized.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)to fund our troops, education, infrastructure, etc.
Up2Late
(17,797 posts)I wonder if they will think it was worth it?
LTR
(13,227 posts)And some of these bastards are so old, I don't even think they'll make it through the next term. At least Warren Buffet has the right idea -using his money to make the world a better place, rather than trying to show the world how big his dick is, which is really what these billionaire PACs are all about. It's fuel for narcissism.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)power to inflict pain and suffering on those "others" whom are regarded by the Romneys of the world as undeserving. It's about evil overpowering the powerless, the helpless, and making more the hopeless. It's about greed and the ability to have it all and use none of it for the common good. And I believe that the bastards have "reaped the whirlwind!"
savebigbird
(417 posts)It really was THAT bad.
randome
(34,845 posts)I don't think Citizens United had much to do with this campaign other than to line the pockets of TV stations.
I don't see CU being overturned, either, so I think we should resign ourselves to it. Limiting someone's ability to spend money is not going to be an easy limitation to legislate.
ItsTheMediaStupid
(2,800 posts)Limiting the amount of money any citizen can give in a year
Stripping corporations of all political rights
Up2Late
(17,797 posts)...a Corporation is NOT a person and does not have all the rights of actual flesh and blood people.
I'm sure the drafting would get ugly though, with the RWers trying to add language to make a Zygote a person and all.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)Why? Because his campaign had so freaking much money, they could afford to do it and spread their wealth.
As far as I'm concerned that's bad.
Now, picture that type of money on a non-presidential election year. No coat tails, a fraction of the national coverage on state races. Think of the damage.
It's bad. Period.
justabob
(3,069 posts)I haven't seen a single pro-Romney ad at home and only a couple during various sports events at other people's houses. I am weird about what I watch though and don't watch the news or the Big Three networks much. I haven't seen any local politicians' ads either. It has been quite lovely ad-wise.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)Odd times and odd shows. After the news & late night television, etc.
I watch practically no television. Yet I've seen them.
I'd did finally see a Sadler as the other day too!
justabob
(3,069 posts)all day/night but usually: PBS, History, H2, USA, TNT, Science.... misc other cable networks. I have seen a few Obama ads, but not so many. You wouldn't know there was an election going on by my tv. I am so glad for that. I get plenty of politics on my computer and I am very ready for this election to be OVER.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)Fuck you, Supreme Court for making me 5,000 plus lighter in the wallet.
It's bullshit.
And the whole dirty money with people not forced to put their names on their nefariousness, yes, it was as bad as could be imagined.
Up2Late
(17,797 posts)Not trying to piss anyone off here, just looking for stories, so feel free to vent.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)$5K is the cap an individual can donate to a federal candidate PAC.
A lot of people, myself included, have donated more money than ever before in an attempt to offset Romney's monetary advantage.
Maybe that's what they mean?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and it was bad enough... CU needs to go/
Mr.Turnip
(645 posts)the worst I got is some spillover from the CT Senate race.
ruffburr
(1,190 posts)And should be IMMEDIATELY OVERTURNED!!!!!!
justabob
(3,069 posts)but I don't think Citizens United worked out the way They wanted it to work. It turns out that money alone isn't enough to buy an election. It might have been different with a better candidate or a message that more than white straight guys could get behind.
apples and oranges
(1,451 posts)we would have been in a lot of trouble. I think it should be repealed before the next election.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)They hadn't factored in that wealthy Democrats may partake. There was some moaning about that from the GOP in mostly state races.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Dems were vastly outspent.
OVERALL SPENDING: $605.7 million
Team Obama $286,905,268
Team Romney $318,396,978
OUTSIDE SPENDING: $266,782,619 (44 percent of total)
Team Romney $212,458,408 (67 percent of total)
Team Obama $57,473,660 (20 percent of total)
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/17/13917146-outside-groups-make-up-almost-half-of-all-presidential-campaign-ads?lite
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Polldancer2012
(88 posts)Anyone have a breakdown on corporate donations to the two parties?
Both parties may have benefitted.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Kennedy is the same age as Scalia so hopefully he retires also.
without Scalia hopefully Thomas will go also.
and Obama replace all 3 of them.
Up2Late
(17,797 posts)....probably for another 20 years or so. Maybe Thomas will retire in 15 years or less, but I doubt the other two will go quietly.
JI7
(89,252 posts)scalia also doesn't seem healthy to me and his a heavy drinker and smoker.
MiniMe
(21,717 posts)Citizens United sucks big time.
LTR
(13,227 posts)That's God's way of telling you you have too much damn money.
MiniMe
(21,717 posts)I am not in a swing state, but to get to northern VA, the ads run in MD and DC too. I can't wait for this election to be over.
locks
(2,012 posts)The same commercials back to back 24/7 many of them blatant lies. Most people just turn the TV off but I really like to know what's happening. And PBS has not run it's best shows like Frontline often though I'm grateful for Democracy Now, BBC, and the coverage of the storm. Just keep thinking of how we could have used that 2 billion from the corporations to help the our neighbors on the east coast who are hurting so badly.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Can't wait for the election to be over for those reasons
pnwest
(3,266 posts)my first reaction to your question was, "Well, it doesn't matter, because they spent more money than God, and they lost".
Perhaps, the PTB who created CU knew there would be outrage over the first election under CU, if it was patently obvious that their money DID buy an election. Maybe THAT'S why they ran Mitt. (for the life of me, i'll never understand why they ran such an easily hateable man). They figured, if they didn't try TOO hard, but looked like they did, ran a guy who would motivate millions to vote against him so he would lose - then we would not be so outraged, feeling like WE proved they couldn't buy an election, and would not work to overturn CU.
I know that's complicated, hope that makes sense. I always question what's the end result of whatever action they take, figure out what they have to gain from that result, and then figure out how they manipulated the situation to create that end result.
Yah, I'm paranoid. But, in a world where everyone's out to get you, paranoia is just good planning.
Up2Late
(17,797 posts)...of lunatics and idiots that came out of the Republic Party primaries! He was the best of the B-team.
None of the A-Team Republican't were crazy enough to go up against President Obama, for several reasons, the biggest being that they knew he WAS doing a very good job with what he had to work with and that he did turn around the worst economic catastrophe in almost 80 years that they knew they left him to fix. And they knew that beating an incumbent President for a 2nd term is a very difficult thing to do.
Plus, they knew if they hit him with too many personal attacks that they would eventually be called out as a racist by somebody, so the risks just didn't out weigh the benefits of running this time, so any "quality" Republican, if their is such a creature, sat this out.
Just my theory on that one, I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
redStateBlueHeart
(265 posts)This is perhaps the wackiest presidential campaign I've ever had the displeasure of watching. The first debates I was old enough to remember watching happened in '96 (although I do remember Clinton's inauguration like it was yesterday . Me and my dad were talking about how we'd never seen debates like these. I don't think I've seen anything like Romney...like a candidate completely DENIES there entire party/personal platform. Mitt's a real piece of work, and probably also an E.T.
Watching the Republican primaries and those debates...the most accurate description I can give is...I feel like I've been living in the Twilight Zone for the past 18 months.
Oh and I won't be watching CNN and MSNBC starting a year before future elections - I'll just stick to online news. I think the biggest part of the rollercoaster ride was due to the media, and it's just been exhausting, really. Or if not, I'll just pass on watching Chris Matthews and Big Ed during debate times
Johonny
(20,851 posts)the candidate that lost the run off election last year bought his way on the ticket and completely out spent a popular democrat in a blue district. The city is carpeted with his crap. I have no idea if he will win, but it is pretty clear even in a "safe" district they are going to spend, spend, spend until they get what they want... power.
spanone
(135,844 posts)Panasonic
(2,921 posts)And it gave us a list of who to heavily audit for the IRS. Tax evasion charges will be on the rise.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Romney the most verifiable liar to ever run for president has a real shot at winning. Without the millions spent on his behalf would he have a chance?
We got lucky the republicans had an especially weak candidate. If they had run a moderate with integrity we would have lost going away.
Romney's utter worthlessness as a candidate is masking the effect of CU. Do not be fooled that it had no effect. It had a huge effect.
agentS
(1,325 posts)We seem pretty polarized with not a lot of leeway in the middle.
Flooding the airwaves with ads only helps when there are a few factors taken into account
1) how good is the ad? I have seen a few R-Money ads online and a few Senate rethug ads, and they are TERRIBLE! the Pete Hokstra ad singlehandedly sunk his campaign!
2) Is it reaching flexible target audiences? Are the sheer volume of ads annoying the voters rather than informing them? People are/have been (depending on who you ask) tuning ads out. It takes exceptional or fundamentally different ads to really move people who are undecided within the weeks of an election.
3) How many people are 'locked in' already to a party or candidate in a district? For instance, R-money could flood Houston with ad buys but all he's going to win are the suburbs. If he were a better candidate, it might be a different story.
4) Curtains have to match the drapes. You can't cut an ad saying you'll fight China manipulating currency when your company is outsourcing jobs to China (Freeport) and that's on the news 24/7. Super PAC ads can't buy credibility.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)the ads back to back, over and over again with bogus names like "citizens for prosperity." all sponsored by koch and rove. the ads against berkley was some of the worse, lying ads i'd ever seen. i'd vote for her just because the ads were so misleading and in some cases downright wrong. but how many nevadans are going to believe the lies over what she has actually done for the people in nevada?
the monied interest have saturated the media here in nevada and i can hardly wait until election day is over.