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markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:35 PM Nov 2012

Does anybody else agree with me that it is time . . .

. . . to take the running of elections out of the hands of the states, and instead impose uniform national standards regarding voter eligibility, access to early voting, poll hours, etc.? What's going on with Rick Scott, not to mention the Secretary of State for Ohio, and other GOP officials around the country is simply ridiculous. What's more, the fact that these various suppression tactics must be challenged individually, in state courts, creates a needless difficulty for challenging electoral corruption. What do you all think?

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Does anybody else agree with me that it is time . . . (Original Post) markpkessinger Nov 2012 OP
totally, utterly and 100% yes. pnwest Nov 2012 #1
Agreed. NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #2
I thinks it's a great idea. Just think of all the headaches we could have saved ourselves. flying_wahini Nov 2012 #3
Yes let's take it out of the hands of crooks like Ricky crap Scott! Thekaspervote Nov 2012 #4
DOJ--->ALEC-->RICO... conspiracy to deny voting rights oldhippydude Nov 2012 #5
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #35
TIME TO END THESE DISCRIMNATORY PRACTICES!! YES Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #6
America needs REAL Democracy. Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #7
Just thinkin the same last night. Strelnikov_ Nov 2012 #8
I agree. Terra Alta Nov 2012 #53
Obama could make it an executive order easychoice Nov 2012 #9
Yeah, and it would last SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2012 #10
Obama is smarter than that easychoice Nov 2012 #36
Yes it would but I'll support it LukeFL Nov 2012 #25
It will take an act of congress but I would support it too. easychoice Nov 2012 #38
For Me, I Wish We Would Adopt Australia's Model! ChiciB1 Nov 2012 #11
I'd add that Timbuk3 Nov 2012 #13
Election 'day' should be 30 days long. randome Nov 2012 #52
I think its a good idea. But the best measure would be cprise Nov 2012 #37
What's being a liberal got to do with it? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #42
Well, By RW Standards I'm Almost Sure ChiciB1 Nov 2012 #51
Abso-fucking-lutely! Timbuk3 Nov 2012 #12
Of all the possible reforms... Chan790 Nov 2012 #28
I'm not so sure. synapticwave Nov 2012 #14
It depends on HOW much prevention and security is built in such electoral system. Amonester Nov 2012 #39
It would have to be a Civil Service position and non - partisan. GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #15
I don't think you would really want to go into two 6-year-terms territory Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #47
The Brits do it and so do the French GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #59
I disagree Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #69
Yes, I 100% Agree ConnorMarc Nov 2012 #16
Yup, but it will require an amendment. nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #17
You're right -- big hurdle there markpkessinger Nov 2012 #20
Short term, I want the DOJ to get involved nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #22
Absolutely! n/t markpkessinger Nov 2012 #27
+1 dchill Nov 2012 #45
YES. n/t ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #18
Not sure. What if we end up with another Bush in office. It should be some non-politicians. Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #19
The only way to do this is by amending the LukeFL Nov 2012 #21
Right fucking on brother! lonestarnot Nov 2012 #23
Be careful how much conformity you ask for aletier_v Nov 2012 #24
I totally agree liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #26
ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY and VERIFIABLY Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #29
Amen! Liberal In Red State Nov 2012 #30
Without a doubt... Dudette Nov 2012 #31
Agreed. It's long overdue. Look at the 'modern' world countries... Amonester Nov 2012 #32
I wholeheartedly concur! movingviolation Nov 2012 #33
I have concerns with such a plan. jeff47 Nov 2012 #34
It should not be directed by any pol. It should be 'independent' ... Amonester Nov 2012 #40
No one is neutral. n/t cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #54
I imagine some are much less biased than others in regards to advancing any one political agenda... LanternWaste Nov 2012 #57
I'll concede the IRS point but we're not talking about the IRS. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #67
I envision a system. . . markpkessinger Nov 2012 #44
There's a million details that won't and shouldn't be spelled out in an amendment jeff47 Nov 2012 #55
Absolutely!!! This crap is beyond ridiculous. I hope President Obama puts this on his agenda. Window Nov 2012 #41
re:Does anybody else agree with me that it is time . . . allan01 Nov 2012 #43
And while we are at it, let's end the electoral college system. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #46
Okay, so I've created an online petition... markpkessinger Nov 2012 #48
OH HELL YES TheAmbivalante Nov 2012 #49
Totally agree! nt avebury Nov 2012 #50
Yes, it's a no brainer. 99Forever Nov 2012 #56
YES! My polling place is usually an exercise in confusion and LeftinOH Nov 2012 #58
YES! truebluegreen Nov 2012 #60
Yeah, I know you're right. Jack Sprat Nov 2012 #61
me! librechik Nov 2012 #62
I agree, except... Blue Belle Nov 2012 #63
Agreed! nt avebury Nov 2012 #64
State's rights vs. Federalism, it's a very sticky problem. Perhaps imposing federal requirements Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #65
Not I loyalsister Nov 2012 #66
National elections should be nationally run to national standards. It's only rational. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #68

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
8. Just thinkin the same last night.
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:45 PM
Nov 2012

Voted by mail over a month ago. Easy peasy.

Everyone, regardless of the state they live in, should have the same opportunity.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
53. I agree.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:31 AM
Nov 2012

Although voting by mail should not be mandatory. I prefer voting in person, that way my ballot won't "accidentally" get lost in the mail.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
10. Yeah, and it would last
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:49 PM
Nov 2012

for the length of time it took for it to get to the SCOTUS and be ruled unconstitutional on a 9-0 vote.

easychoice

(1,043 posts)
38. It will take an act of congress but I would support it too.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:54 AM
Nov 2012

executive order just isn't a legal path.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
11. For Me, I Wish We Would Adopt Australia's Model!
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:57 PM
Nov 2012

They have to vote. Now, I'm a Liberal and it's sounds like a demand, but it could cut down on VOTER SUPPRESSION!

cprise

(8,445 posts)
37. I think its a good idea. But the best measure would be
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:53 AM
Nov 2012

to outlaw the disenfranchisement of any ex-convict who has served their time.

That would take away the incentive to push people through an expanding prison-industrial complex.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
42. What's being a liberal got to do with it?
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:16 AM
Nov 2012

Every person in a democracy must pitch in, or hte democraxy doesn't work. Freedom does not mean "fuck you all I do whatever i want," it does come with responsibilities to your fellows.

We accept that Jury Duty is an essential and mandatory citizen function.
Most of us accept that taxation is an essential and mandatory citizen function.
Why should voting, the cornerstone of our system, be any different?

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
51. Well, By RW Standards I'm Almost Sure
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:19 AM
Nov 2012

they would call that "too much government" control! Just sayin'

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
28. Of all the possible reforms...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:00 AM
Nov 2012

the only one I'll never support is national popular vote. It's an awful idea.

synapticwave

(52 posts)
14. I'm not so sure.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:12 AM
Nov 2012

Imagine how fucked we'd all be if Romney won and appointed Huested to run national elections? Having each state run their own election at least ensures that you have to corrupt multiple states (and usually multiple levels of gov't within the state) to secure an illegal election result. If it were all run by the federal government at the national level then you only have to rig it once at the top and you win.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
39. It depends on HOW much prevention and security is built in such electoral system.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:57 AM
Nov 2012

For example, look elsewhere, like Canada:

Now commonly referred to as Elections Canada, the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer has imparted a legitimacy and a credibility to Canada’s electoral process that is unmatchable. This is explained largely by the fact that the position got off to a very good start in 1920 and that the statute initially establishing the Office was both well-designed and well-executed. All provinces and territories have fashioned a reasonably close institutional facsimile to
that of Elections Canada, and established and emerging democracies alike have repeatedly demonstrated that they value the advice and assistance of our election
Officials in establishing their own election machinery or in monitoring their elections.

This article focuses on five aspects of the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer: the Office’s origins, independence, responsibilities, responsiveness, and the impact on the Office and the Canada Elections.

PDF document: http://www.revparl.ca/30/1/30n1_07e_Courtney.pdf




Paper ballots, secured ballot boxes, all parties assign delegates to validate vote counts, et al.

GoneOffShore

(17,340 posts)
15. It would have to be a Civil Service position and non - partisan.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:19 AM
Nov 2012

Like the Office of Management and Budget.

I'd also like to see Congressional term limits that match Presidential terms but extend the President's term to two six year terms. Have Senators serve a maximum of two six year terms and have Congress Critters have two 4 year terms.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
47. I don't think you would really want to go into two 6-year-terms territory
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:28 AM
Nov 2012

for President. That could have meant 12 years of Reagan, and/or 12 years of GWB.

 

ConnorMarc

(653 posts)
16. Yes, I 100% Agree
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:21 AM
Nov 2012

However, it will 100% not pass, not a lick.

Repugs are too big on that "state power" crapolla...it won't fly for a second.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
20. You're right -- big hurdle there
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:42 AM
Nov 2012

But maybe still worth pursuing, if only to draw attention to attempts to suppress voting, no?

Michigan Alum

(335 posts)
19. Not sure. What if we end up with another Bush in office. It should be some non-politicians.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:27 AM
Nov 2012

We probably need some International/U.N. group running it for a while. That's how bad it is. We are like a Banana Republic.

Dudette

(16 posts)
31. Without a doubt...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:43 AM
Nov 2012

If all the shenanigans we've seen with GOP-controlled states suppressing the vote isn't enough to prove we need uniform standards, I don't know what would. America is supposed to be the shining example of Democracy. Rethugs have turned our electoral process into a mockery.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
32. Agreed. It's long overdue. Look at the 'modern' world countries...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:43 AM
Nov 2012

and none of them have to submit to such a chaotic system which is too prone to all kinds of criminal activities.

It makes no sense in the 21st Century!


movingviolation

(310 posts)
33. I wholeheartedly concur!
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:46 AM
Nov 2012

I have thought this to be the way to go since 2000. We also have to do something about unverifiable voting machines and the companies that sell them being owned by candidates family members. I mean really, how can this even be allowed? It boggles the mind.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. I have concerns with such a plan.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:48 AM
Nov 2012

Let's say someone like Rick Scott manages to get elected President.

So now he gets to suppress the entire country, instead of requiring compliant governors/secretaries of state

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
40. It should not be directed by any pol. It should be 'independent' ...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:02 AM
Nov 2012

and that is the key which too many Americans have a big difficulty to understand.

(My reply #39) http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1724946

Otherwise, why even bother?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
57. I imagine some are much less biased than others in regards to advancing any one political agenda...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:21 AM
Nov 2012

I imagine some are much less biased than others in regards to advancing any one political agenda... the IRS for example is not really in the pockets or easily influenced by either party.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
67. I'll concede the IRS point but we're not talking about the IRS.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 07:00 PM
Nov 2012

We're talking about elections. Since elections and political agendas go hand-in-hand, my belief is that you'll find people who say they're impartial, but they won't be.

This system, the system of states running their own elections has worked for the entire time this country has been in existence. I see no reason to tamper with it other than tweaks here and there. Remember, the election of the President and Vice-President are the ONLY nationwide elections. The election of Senators and Congresscritters and every other office should be left in the hands of the states.

I'd say set another date for the Presidential election but that would impact county budgets way to negatively to be doable.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
44. I envision a system. . .
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:19 AM
Nov 2012

...where -- and it may require a constitutional amendment to bring it abour -- the rules could not bw changed by executive fiat.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
55. There's a million details that won't and shouldn't be spelled out in an amendment
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 09:49 AM
Nov 2012

But those details would provide a means for disenfranchisement.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
43. re:Does anybody else agree with me that it is time . . .
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:18 AM
Nov 2012

yes yes yes yes.
1: standardize all the voting process. no mor loose knit odball voting processes , ie mail in ballots.2 : reverse citezens united and once and for all via constitionunal procces delcare that a corperation is not a citizen.
3: make all showey groups illegel .
4: inforce the non profit inilligeability of influencing politics. anyone crosses the line , swift action.
i5: if found any obstruction, imtimidation, outrite voteing fraud ,tampering with ballots , etc by any entity , swift prosocution by leagel athourities

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
46. And while we are at it, let's end the electoral college system.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:26 AM
Nov 2012

The electoral college deprives Americans in populous states, especially California, of an equal voice. I personally think that it deprives us of equality. The individual voters vote is not counted as equal to the individual votes of citizens in other states.

Should be unconstitutional. We do not enjoy equal protection before the law when it comes to electing the president.

And while we are establishing one uniform set of voting rules for the entire country and doing away with the electoral college, let's also do away with Citizens' United. One PERSON, one vote. Corporations should not be allowed to meddle in elections.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
58. YES! My polling place is usually an exercise in confusion and
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:26 AM
Nov 2012

miscommunication. Today was no different. The octogenarians who volunteer there are nice enough, but they are completely unable to handle long lines and how to communicate proper ballot procedures.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
60. YES!
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:49 PM
Nov 2012

This country EMBARRASSES me with it's EXCEPTIONAL election processes. And another thing: let's limit election season to 90 days!

 

Jack Sprat

(2,500 posts)
61. Yeah, I know you're right.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:07 PM
Nov 2012

Something passed into law that couldn't ever be revoked or altered. This is currently a broken and corrupt election system for many of our citizens. It's outrageous they are being discouraged and intimidated to suppress their votes. It's outrageous the election voting isn't carried on efficiently to streamline the process and avoid waiting in long lines, or that the ballots are electronic in some states and paper in others, that many ballots contain countless amendments requiring so much time per voter, and above all and everything that states require more precertified identity than other states.

I have said before and will say it again. When a nation actually allows voter suppression to occur and encourages it, then it relegates itself to the old Soviet style elections of the former Soviet Union.

Blue Belle

(5,912 posts)
63. I agree, except...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:11 PM
Nov 2012

I don't want to give up the Oregon Vote by Mail system! Sorry. I really like it and it works really well.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
65. State's rights vs. Federalism, it's a very sticky problem. Perhaps imposing federal requirements
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:14 PM
Nov 2012

would be possible, but I don't see any way to take elections out of the hands of localities without a Constitutional Amendment.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
66. Not I
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:53 PM
Nov 2012

Electioneering and most elections are local. City councils and county seat election do not run on schedule with national elections. In my state there are always local propositions and ordinances to vote on. Taxes can only be raised with popular vote approval. What kind of nightmare would that be if it were implemented nationwide! Would that standard be replaced against the will of the people who unfortunately voted it in, or would it need to be adopted federally?
I think it would be a disaster if people moved into states and took over the jurisdiction of SOS and county clerks. I think those professionals who know the territory and terrain should be maintained as the administrators of election laws and practices.

Some states amend their constitutions by popular vote, and not all of them are the same. It would be a giant mess, and the maladaptive "states rights" mentality would gain validity.

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