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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes anybody else agree with me that it is time . . .
. . . to take the running of elections out of the hands of the states, and instead impose uniform national standards regarding voter eligibility, access to early voting, poll hours, etc.? What's going on with Rick Scott, not to mention the Secretary of State for Ohio, and other GOP officials around the country is simply ridiculous. What's more, the fact that these various suppression tactics must be challenged individually, in state courts, creates a needless difficulty for challenging electoral corruption. What do you all think?
pnwest
(3,266 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Better late than never.
flying_wahini
(6,606 posts)n/t
Thekaspervote
(32,773 posts)oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)follow the money....
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)Voted by mail over a month ago. Easy peasy.
Everyone, regardless of the state they live in, should have the same opportunity.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)Although voting by mail should not be mandatory. I prefer voting in person, that way my ballot won't "accidentally" get lost in the mail.
easychoice
(1,043 posts)Man, would that start some shit or what?
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)for the length of time it took for it to get to the SCOTUS and be ruled unconstitutional on a 9-0 vote.
easychoice
(1,043 posts)it was a joke,see the popcorn?
LukeFL
(594 posts)easychoice
(1,043 posts)executive order just isn't a legal path.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)They have to vote. Now, I'm a Liberal and it's sounds like a demand, but it could cut down on VOTER SUPPRESSION!
Timbuk3
(872 posts)...election day should be a national PAID holiday.
randome
(34,845 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)to outlaw the disenfranchisement of any ex-convict who has served their time.
That would take away the incentive to push people through an expanding prison-industrial complex.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Every person in a democracy must pitch in, or hte democraxy doesn't work. Freedom does not mean "fuck you all I do whatever i want," it does come with responsibilities to your fellows.
We accept that Jury Duty is an essential and mandatory citizen function.
Most of us accept that taxation is an essential and mandatory citizen function.
Why should voting, the cornerstone of our system, be any different?
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)they would call that "too much government" control! Just sayin'
Timbuk3
(872 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)the only one I'll never support is national popular vote. It's an awful idea.
synapticwave
(52 posts)Imagine how fucked we'd all be if Romney won and appointed Huested to run national elections? Having each state run their own election at least ensures that you have to corrupt multiple states (and usually multiple levels of gov't within the state) to secure an illegal election result. If it were all run by the federal government at the national level then you only have to rig it once at the top and you win.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)For example, look elsewhere, like Canada:
that of Elections Canada, and established and emerging democracies alike have repeatedly demonstrated that they value the advice and assistance of our election
Officials in establishing their own election machinery or in monitoring their elections.
This article focuses on five aspects of the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer: the Offices origins, independence, responsibilities, responsiveness, and the impact on the Office and the Canada Elections.
PDF document: http://www.revparl.ca/30/1/30n1_07e_Courtney.pdf
Paper ballots, secured ballot boxes, all parties assign delegates to validate vote counts, et al.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Like the Office of Management and Budget.
I'd also like to see Congressional term limits that match Presidential terms but extend the President's term to two six year terms. Have Senators serve a maximum of two six year terms and have Congress Critters have two 4 year terms.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)for President. That could have meant 12 years of Reagan, and/or 12 years of GWB.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)This four year election cycle is useless.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Eight years of Reagan and eight years of junior bu$h were BAD ENOUGH.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)However, it will 100% not pass, not a lick.
Repugs are too big on that "state power" crapolla...it won't fly for a second.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)But maybe still worth pursuing, if only to draw attention to attempts to suppress voting, no?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)A few of these are felonies.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)dchill
(38,502 posts)ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)Michigan Alum
(335 posts)We probably need some International/U.N. group running it for a while. That's how bad it is. We are like a Banana Republic.
LukeFL
(594 posts)Constitution... We need congress. We dont have it.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)aletier_v
(1,773 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Liberal In Red State
(442 posts)Dudette
(16 posts)If all the shenanigans we've seen with GOP-controlled states suppressing the vote isn't enough to prove we need uniform standards, I don't know what would. America is supposed to be the shining example of Democracy. Rethugs have turned our electoral process into a mockery.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)and none of them have to submit to such a chaotic system which is too prone to all kinds of criminal activities.
It makes no sense in the 21st Century!
movingviolation
(310 posts)I have thought this to be the way to go since 2000. We also have to do something about unverifiable voting machines and the companies that sell them being owned by candidates family members. I mean really, how can this even be allowed? It boggles the mind.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Let's say someone like Rick Scott manages to get elected President.
So now he gets to suppress the entire country, instead of requiring compliant governors/secretaries of state
Amonester
(11,541 posts)and that is the key which too many Americans have a big difficulty to understand.
(My reply #39) http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1724946
Otherwise, why even bother?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine some are much less biased than others in regards to advancing any one political agenda... the IRS for example is not really in the pockets or easily influenced by either party.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)We're talking about elections. Since elections and political agendas go hand-in-hand, my belief is that you'll find people who say they're impartial, but they won't be.
This system, the system of states running their own elections has worked for the entire time this country has been in existence. I see no reason to tamper with it other than tweaks here and there. Remember, the election of the President and Vice-President are the ONLY nationwide elections. The election of Senators and Congresscritters and every other office should be left in the hands of the states.
I'd say set another date for the Presidential election but that would impact county budgets way to negatively to be doable.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)...where -- and it may require a constitutional amendment to bring it abour -- the rules could not bw changed by executive fiat.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)But those details would provide a means for disenfranchisement.
Window
(7,265 posts)n/t
allan01
(1,950 posts)yes yes yes yes.
1: standardize all the voting process. no mor loose knit odball voting processes , ie mail in ballots.2 : reverse citezens united and once and for all via constitionunal procces delcare that a corperation is not a citizen.
3: make all showey groups illegel .
4: inforce the non profit inilligeability of influencing politics. anyone crosses the line , swift action.
i5: if found any obstruction, imtimidation, outrite voteing fraud ,tampering with ballots , etc by any entity , swift prosocution by leagel athourities
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The electoral college deprives Americans in populous states, especially California, of an equal voice. I personally think that it deprives us of equality. The individual voters vote is not counted as equal to the individual votes of citizens in other states.
Should be unconstitutional. We do not enjoy equal protection before the law when it comes to electing the president.
And while we are establishing one uniform set of voting rules for the entire country and doing away with the electoral college, let's also do away with Citizens' United. One PERSON, one vote. Corporations should not be allowed to meddle in elections.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)I'm not under any illusions concerning what will actually come of this. My hope, however, is that if enough interest is generated, it can at least be the start of a national conversation. If you agree, please sign it, and share it as widely as possible! Here's the link:
http://www.change.org/petitions/united-states-senate-and-house-of-representatives-institute-uniform-national-standards-for-voter-eligibility-and-access?fb_action_ids=4178991467315&fb_action_types=change-org%3Arecruit&fb_ref=__rQAESPettg&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%224178991467315%22%3A163521307123406%7D&action_type_map=%7B%224178991467315%22%3A%22change-org%3Arecruit%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%224178991467315%22%3A%22__rQAESPettg%22%7D
TheAmbivalante
(114 posts)Constitutional Amendment time!
avebury
(10,952 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)And anyone caught doing voter suppression should be publicly executed.
LeftinOH
(5,354 posts)miscommunication. Today was no different. The octogenarians who volunteer there are nice enough, but they are completely unable to handle long lines and how to communicate proper ballot procedures.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)This country EMBARRASSES me with it's EXCEPTIONAL election processes. And another thing: let's limit election season to 90 days!
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)Something passed into law that couldn't ever be revoked or altered. This is currently a broken and corrupt election system for many of our citizens. It's outrageous they are being discouraged and intimidated to suppress their votes. It's outrageous the election voting isn't carried on efficiently to streamline the process and avoid waiting in long lines, or that the ballots are electronic in some states and paper in others, that many ballots contain countless amendments requiring so much time per voter, and above all and everything that states require more precertified identity than other states.
I have said before and will say it again. When a nation actually allows voter suppression to occur and encourages it, then it relegates itself to the old Soviet style elections of the former Soviet Union.
librechik
(30,674 posts)Blue Belle
(5,912 posts)I don't want to give up the Oregon Vote by Mail system! Sorry. I really like it and it works really well.
avebury
(10,952 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)would be possible, but I don't see any way to take elections out of the hands of localities without a Constitutional Amendment.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Electioneering and most elections are local. City councils and county seat election do not run on schedule with national elections. In my state there are always local propositions and ordinances to vote on. Taxes can only be raised with popular vote approval. What kind of nightmare would that be if it were implemented nationwide! Would that standard be replaced against the will of the people who unfortunately voted it in, or would it need to be adopted federally?
I think it would be a disaster if people moved into states and took over the jurisdiction of SOS and county clerks. I think those professionals who know the territory and terrain should be maintained as the administrators of election laws and practices.
Some states amend their constitutions by popular vote, and not all of them are the same. It would be a giant mess, and the maladaptive "states rights" mentality would gain validity.