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Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:54 PM Nov 2012

Are you ready for the worst?

There is a lot of pre-emptive celebration going on here. The fact is that a Nate Silver Forecast or a Princeton Forecast isn't worth a single vote. Remember John Zogby? He got an election right too. Would you trust him for anything today? Silver was 49-1 last election and he could easily be 40-10 this election. If Silver is 40-10 this election, Obama likely loses.

Do you really believe that a candidate that was down an average of 3% in two polls today in Florida has a better chance of winning the state than he did yesterday? It's unbelievable.

The fact is that it's too early to get confident (or cocky in some cases). The work is not done. The goal has not been reached. Nate Silver's forecasts mean nothing. Tomorrow could be a catastrophe and we should be ready for it. It would make 2004 on DU look like New Years Eve.

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Are you ready for the worst? (Original Post) Renew Deal Nov 2012 OP
people can make up their own minds, think we have a win and still work hard and VOTE seabeyond Nov 2012 #1
I was working Election Protection at an elementary school in Miami in 2004 Renew Deal Nov 2012 #3
yes. i remember 2004. seabeyond Nov 2012 #6
I'm confident & I'm cocky. A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2012 #2
And, from a perspective of a day after the vote, you had the right attitude! MADem Nov 2012 #22
I'm really only nervous about Ohio and PA. Ohio because TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #4
If your point is gotv fine.. Otherwise I respectfully disagree Thekaspervote Nov 2012 #5
I am going to go out tomorrow at GOTV ellie Nov 2012 #7
Sure, I'm ready for the worst. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #8
Hey, I'm not overconfident/cocky, nor celebrating ... but I just think we're going to win codjh9 Nov 2012 #9
I get a little sick of the "no confidence or happiness allowed" rule K8-EEE Nov 2012 #10
No, I'm confident you will vote. Renew Deal Nov 2012 #12
No, I'm not "ready for the worst." And I don't think I'll have to deal with it, either. MADem Nov 2012 #11
Not the message I wanted to deliver. Renew Deal Nov 2012 #13
Well, enjoy your stew. nt MADem Nov 2012 #15
I have every reason to be hopeful...that's as far as it goes... cynatnite Nov 2012 #14
I'm with you, I'm a pessimist at heart. fujiyama Nov 2012 #16
Chicken counting before the chicks hatch is a bad idea nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #17
Just trying to get through the next twenty four hours with a little hope... trailmonkee Nov 2012 #18
I saw a post earlier where someone said they broke out the fireworks. Renew Deal Nov 2012 #19
that's just how they're dealing with the stress.... trailmonkee Nov 2012 #20
Yeah there's always the cheat factor. That is the ONLY thing that is bothering me. That shit in OH lonestarnot Nov 2012 #21
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
1. people can make up their own minds, think we have a win and still work hard and VOTE
Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:57 PM
Nov 2012

tomorrow.

i dont get people saying, everyone calm down. like you think people feeling good is going to jinx things.

when i walk in to vote tomorrow, i am going to enjoy it. because i think we are going to win. and i am going to feel good with other dems that are going to be in that line.

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
3. I was working Election Protection at an elementary school in Miami in 2004
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:02 AM
Nov 2012

While listening to Air America and hearing about the exit polls that had Kerry winning Florida and Ohio. I know the pain of "feeling good" too well. That said, I will enjoy voting too.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. And, from a perspective of a day after the vote, you had the right attitude!
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:09 PM
Nov 2012

Swagger on, my friend, swagger on!!

I was managing a bit of quiet certitude, hoping that my sense of the feelings of the electorate weren't off the mark! I stayed busy driving people to vote to the point of exhaustion...I couldn't even stay awake for the speeches. I'll have to do some "catch up" today!

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
4. I'm really only nervous about Ohio and PA. Ohio because
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:05 AM
Nov 2012

I think there's some shenanigans going on there, and PA because apparently Stephanie Cutter says it's "tightening" there.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
8. Sure, I'm ready for the worst.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:11 AM
Nov 2012

But, here's the thing: all the serious statisticians and political scientists who've been running the numbers on polling data predict an Obama victory; it's not JUST Nate Silver or Sam Wang, it's also Drew Linzer, and Andrew Tanenbaum, and several others. The state-level polls in several swing states vs actual turnout tomorrow would have to be wrong to an unprecedented degree for Romney to win. I'm not saying it can't happen; my mood is one of cautiously guarded optimism. I'm prepared for the possibility of a Romney win, but I'm not expecting it.

codjh9

(2,781 posts)
9. Hey, I'm not overconfident/cocky, nor celebrating ... but I just think we're going to win
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:13 AM
Nov 2012

the Prez, the Senate, and gain in the House. And I hope like hell it happens.

K8-EEE

(15,667 posts)
10. I get a little sick of the "no confidence or happiness allowed" rule
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:46 AM
Nov 2012

Do you really think that any of us are not going to vote??

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. No, I'm not "ready for the worst." And I don't think I'll have to deal with it, either.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:47 AM
Nov 2012

I intend to do my part tomorrow.

Why don't you try a "Keep Calm and Carry On" approach? It might ease your troubled mind.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
14. I have every reason to be hopeful...that's as far as it goes...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:51 AM
Nov 2012

There is nothing wrong with hoping for the best and still being prepared for the worst.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
16. I'm with you, I'm a pessimist at heart.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:55 AM
Nov 2012

I like numbers. Following the polls has been fun in a sick twisted way I suppose. I also like following the election projection/modeling sites. Nate strikes me as a sharp guy. He knows statistics and he knows how to interpret them, explain them, and model various interactions of different factors in repeated simulations, and spit out probabilities. Very cool! And what's cooler, is that it favors our candidate. But that's not a real election.

The polls are based on a million factors and ultimately it's garbage in, garbage out. The polls may potentially be statistically biased against Romney, as Nate said. Maybe the likely voter models are off across the board. We don't know that. Is it likely? No. The probability is low. But we all know that to win, Democrats rely on the least reliable voting groups. So far the early voting has been encouraging. But tomorrow is the real enchilada.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. Chicken counting before the chicks hatch is a bad idea
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:58 AM
Nov 2012

I know all data does point in one direction, but like you, after 2004 I simply do not get giddy until the kitchens indeed hatch.

trailmonkee

(2,681 posts)
18. Just trying to get through the next twenty four hours with a little hope...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:59 AM
Nov 2012

....I don't think anyone is dancing and or stupid about this... most folks on DU have a pretty decent clue that this isn't in the bag as far as I can tell

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
21. Yeah there's always the cheat factor. That is the ONLY thing that is bothering me. That shit in OH
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:13 AM
Nov 2012

doesn't comfort me one damn bit.

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