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iemanja

(53,093 posts)
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 05:24 PM Oct 2022

What are your views on the death penalty?

How do you feel about the death penalty?


40 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
I oppose the death penalty in all cases
29 (73%)
I oppose the death penalty except in exceptional circumstances (explain below)
3 (8%)
I support the death penalty when necessary
7 (18%)
America's use and frequency of the death penalty is justified
0 (0%)
If more criminals were executed, violent crime would be lower
1 (3%)
Other (explain below)
0 (0%)
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What are your views on the death penalty? (Original Post) iemanja Oct 2022 OP
I'm against it in nearly all cases, temporary311 Oct 2022 #1
No government should be allowed to kill its subjects unblock Oct 2022 #2
+1000 USALiberal Oct 2022 #14
I understand why people think it is right in some cases Skittles Oct 2022 #3
Other than a Corporate Death penalty for malfeasance or criminal actions, no. haele Oct 2022 #4
By a corporate death penalty iemanja Oct 2022 #9
Dissolution of the corporation, and loss of licences for the officers. haele Oct 2022 #20
I was assigned this topic as a junior high student for an essay that we were given hlthe2b Oct 2022 #5
Killing people should not be within the purview... dchill Oct 2022 #6
It's for evil people caught red-handed with multiple pieces of corroborating evidence bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #7
I am against the death penalty in all cases. It is state murder. Both my husband and I have Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #21
oppose IcyPeas Oct 2022 #8
The fact that Russia is in the "Abolished in practice" category and.. Xolodno Oct 2022 #16
Oppose in all cases. PufPuf23 Oct 2022 #10
I oppose because innocent people are killed. gab13by13 Oct 2022 #11
Exactly and just one innocent person killed is horrible and not worth a billion murderers dying. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2022 #22
I am a peaceful man gibraltar72 Oct 2022 #12
It's never necessary, I can't believe anybody on this board is pro death penalty USALiberal Oct 2022 #13
There are some people who do such horrendous things that they should forfeit their lives. Chainfire Oct 2022 #15
I am against the death penalty, but as long as the majority support it in a democracy JCMach1 Oct 2022 #17
"People should see and understand the consequences of their choices." WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #19
Referring to voters... But more of a modest proposal, but one I believe in JCMach1 Oct 2022 #23
Ah, I see. Strongly disagree, though. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #24
Idiosyncratic thing... I just think if you support killing in the name of the people, JCMach1 Oct 2022 #29
I think too many people would get off on it iemanja Oct 2022 #31
Abolish it. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #18
A great many people in favor of the death penalty are a-holes. I don't want to be in their boat. Tetrachloride Oct 2022 #25
The death penalty serves no redeeming purpose except perhaps Disaffected Oct 2022 #26
Oppose, except for genocide and mass murder n/t Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2022 #27
I'm okay with it in theory Zeitghost Oct 2022 #28
Yeah, that's where I am. LeftInTX Oct 2022 #33
Some criminals just aren't suited for life w/o parole LeftInTX Oct 2022 #30
In ultra rare occasions I'm okay with it sky_masterson Oct 2022 #32
It should be abolished. Solly Mack Oct 2022 #34
I think criminal punishment reflects who we are as a society iemanja Oct 2022 #35

temporary311

(955 posts)
1. I'm against it in nearly all cases,
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 05:26 PM
Oct 2022

except cases like Jan 6, the Civil War, the Business Plot, etc. I think the people who lead/masterminded those events should've been hanged.

unblock

(52,432 posts)
2. No government should be allowed to kill its subjects
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 05:29 PM
Oct 2022

To plan and carry out the killing of someone who has already been removed from society and can easily be kept slide is the epitome of cold-blooded murder.

haele

(12,687 posts)
4. Other than a Corporate Death penalty for malfeasance or criminal actions, no.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 05:32 PM
Oct 2022

As a taxpayer, I don't approve of revenge murder in my name, even if it is "State Sanctioned" or the person is truly an irredeemable scumbag.

Self protection is one thing. Vengeance is another.

Haele

iemanja

(53,093 posts)
9. By a corporate death penalty
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 05:43 PM
Oct 2022

Do you mean the dissolution of corporations? Or do you mean the literal execution of officers of a company?

haele

(12,687 posts)
20. Dissolution of the corporation, and loss of licences for the officers.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 06:33 PM
Oct 2022

That's a corporate Death penalty I can get behind.

Haele

hlthe2b

(102,477 posts)
5. I was assigned this topic as a junior high student for an essay that we were given
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 05:35 PM
Oct 2022

the entire term to research, consider and write/present prior to the end of the school year. I took it very seriously and portions of my piece were excerpted for the then-local newspaper that published both sides of the debate. Mine presented the anti-DP POV, focusing largely on two issues: 1) whether the government--any government had the right to kill its citizens-- the risks of such authority being extended beyond any possible rationale under a non-democratic change in government; and 2) the inability to prevent wrongly accused from being executed, no matter the precautions.

I've never wavered. Since then both issues that formed my argument against the DP have not only come to pass but have become clear beyond what I could have imagined at the time. In a word, TEXAS!

So many like to conflate opposition to the DP with believing all are able to be rehabilitated OR conversely that there are not some who are truly deserving of it. Neither is true for me. My reasons now are as they were highlighted in my treatise then. The act is singularly permanent and mistakes that arise can never be made right. But even more frightening is the thought of what we those in power can unleash who seek its terrorizing impacts to control more than those presumed guilty of murder.

bucolic_frolic

(43,430 posts)
7. It's for evil people caught red-handed with multiple pieces of corroborating evidence
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 05:35 PM
Oct 2022

I mean, there are criminals who made bad choices, and have had bad lives.

There is also premeditation, cold-blooded, planned, crime where at multiple points the culprit should have reconsidered his or her motives, morality, hatred, passion.

I don't like to think there are evil people. But there are. I don't think capital punishment should rely on evidence, or the testimony of one witness. It is hard for people to forgive hateful actions. Thus we have hate crime laws and classifications.

Demsrule86

(68,753 posts)
21. I am against the death penalty in all cases. It is state murder. Both my husband and I have
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 06:33 PM
Oct 2022

told our loved ones should we be murdered...no death penalty. We don't want that period.

Xolodno

(6,409 posts)
16. The fact that Russia is in the "Abolished in practice" category and..
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 06:21 PM
Oct 2022

...we are in the "Maintain" is mind baffling.

I'm against the death penalty in every circumstance. Economic wise, it costs more to put someone to death than just incarcerate them for life. And the idea of the state executing in the name of its citizens is horrible. Worse, innocent people have been executed and some who were guilty changed their lives and from their prison cell, enacted change so others would not follow the same path.

Sure some are irredeemable, but we should probably study them and their brains. Can't do that if they are six feet under.

PufPuf23

(8,845 posts)
10. Oppose in all cases.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 06:04 PM
Oct 2022

However, I do not think our current legal system works as in too many mistakes, unequal legal representation, and unfair between jurisdictions and in general.

Do not have an answer but do have an idea.

Go old school and give those convicted of capital crimes one-way tickets to a secured island. Let those convicted of capital crimes build their own society and provide for themselves by farming and raising animals without technology. Abolish all "modern" technology including communication with outside World. Multiple "chip" the convicts. Insert spies to monitor. Monitor from outside with vigilance.

Living facilities would be built, farms developed and stocked, and adjustments / additions made to maintain viability. Many questions like what about the infirm and how are woman and other minorities not brutalized. Not easy problems. Spit balling here.

gibraltar72

(7,515 posts)
12. I am a peaceful man
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 06:10 PM
Oct 2022

that being said leading insurrection and or treason should be punished by death sentence. I say that because it could be only way to save our democracy.

Chainfire

(17,700 posts)
15. There are some people who do such horrendous things that they should forfeit their lives.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 06:19 PM
Oct 2022

They are few and far between. If I were on a jury, it would have to be an extremely viscous crime that would make me select capital punishment, but there are cases that I could do it.

JCMach1

(27,585 posts)
17. I am against the death penalty, but as long as the majority support it in a democracy
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 06:30 PM
Oct 2022

I am ok with it. In fact, I would go one step further and have it broadcast.

People should see and understand the consequences of their choices.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,479 posts)
19. "People should see and understand the consequences of their choices."
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 06:32 PM
Oct 2022

I would posit that the ones facing the death penalty are some of those who are incapable of or have barriers to grasping the consequences of their actions, which is part of the problem in the first place.

JCMach1

(27,585 posts)
23. Referring to voters... But more of a modest proposal, but one I believe in
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 06:36 PM
Oct 2022

Executions should be broadcast.

Currently, executions are hidden and medicalized when it's actually state sanctioned murder.

JCMach1

(27,585 posts)
29. Idiosyncratic thing... I just think if you support killing in the name of the people,
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:34 PM
Oct 2022

It should be in a public space

iemanja

(53,093 posts)
31. I think too many people would get off on it
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:43 PM
Oct 2022

I see the MAGAts eating popcorn and nachos during an execution. I don't think televising them is a good idea.

Tetrachloride

(7,894 posts)
25. A great many people in favor of the death penalty are a-holes. I don't want to be in their boat.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 06:55 PM
Oct 2022

I am aware of several people who deserve significant incarceration.

I am past friends with several people employed at maximum security prisons. The top of death penalty has never arisen with those people.

So far, in the past 4 years, I am not aware of any event that has affected my family to warrant long term incarceration or worse. Over 6 years ago, yes. But I wasn't aware of the events until 3-10 years ago, depending on the event, nor I am any of the lead people in the event. So, I haven't been called upon to make a judgment of prosecution.

As Voldemort knew, and wanted to be, a portion of one's soul may be lost.

Disaffected

(4,572 posts)
26. The death penalty serves no redeeming purpose except perhaps
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 07:14 PM
Oct 2022

for giving short-lived satisfaction to the survivors of a murder victim or a few members of the public.

It has been convincingly shown that the death penalty is not a deterrent.

Too many wrongly convicted have been executed (perhaps the strongest reason for abolishment).

It is more costly to keep someone on death row for years than keep him/her in prison for life.

An individual sentenced to life who turns out to be innocent gets another chance for justice that the death penalty would not provide.

Vengeance is not a rational choice (and there is no point in killing someone to "teach them a lesson&quot .

Zeitghost

(3,889 posts)
28. I'm okay with it in theory
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:34 PM
Oct 2022

But have problems with it in practice.

That is to say, I have no ethical issue with killing some people for heinous crimes, I just do not trust our justice system to get it 100% right and would rather 1000 guilty people who may deserve it live than have a single innocent person die.

LeftInTX

(25,695 posts)
33. Yeah, that's where I am.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:48 PM
Oct 2022

I feel it should only be for cases where life w/o parole would still endanger society or when the perp is just so awful that just the thought of him alive is upsetting (Timothy McVeigh for example).
However, I feel it doesn't work in practice and too many poor people without adequate legal representation end up on death row.

LeftInTX

(25,695 posts)
30. Some criminals just aren't suited for life w/o parole
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:41 PM
Oct 2022

They continue to commit crimes, break out of prison etc.
I felt Timothy McVeigh deserved the death penalty.

However, I'm against it in many cases that are currently out there.

I feel that it is warranted when society as whole needs a specific person to be completely gone. (For example Osama Bin Laden) I don't think it should be used to "send a message" or should be based on an "emotional reaction to a crime"...There are just some people who plain old dangerous no matter where they are...

Other than that, life w/o parole

sky_masterson

(417 posts)
32. In ultra rare occasions I'm okay with it
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:46 PM
Oct 2022

In general I oppose it 98% of the time. I think in most cases life in prison is a far worse punishment than going to sleep forever.
I always thought it should be called Death Punishment instead of Death Penalty.

iemanja

(53,093 posts)
35. I think criminal punishment reflects who we are as a society
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 09:31 AM
Oct 2022

And the fact we execute so many people signals that we are a brutal people.

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