because someone will chime in with a number for you to call and report this. Did she get to vote or not?

say it but DU has been nothing but trouble to get on today. JUST blank screens for me.

stated that the card she orginally brought was all she needed.


I am sorry. I did need some sleep--work night shift-- AND I have had such a hard time getting on DU today.

I would ask for an expert to meet you at the polls and challenge the workers.

I would personally also call 911 and ask for an arrest for state law violation just to have it on record. But I am nastier than most.

and tell him to FUCK OFF, and then kick his balls repeatedly, and then go vote.

and then be arrested on multiple felony counts and lose your right to vote.
Besides, this has already been addressed, apparently first time voters are required to present ID, all voters CAN be asked to show ID and, unless they're first time voters, they can refuse.

he/she will get away with the aforementioned assault without so much as a parking ticket.

because you're probably right.

Also, any other similar line in Ohio. Mods should pin this information to the top!

Do not fucking leave until everyone has voted. These fucks need to know their bullying shit is not going to work.

Goddammit, New Castle used to be blue! What the hell happened to them?

In order to control elections.

People rarely vote in elections where no federal office is at stake. They've taken advantage of that and GOTV during those 'smaller' elections.

Those who count the votes decide everything.

It's to a post yesterday with numbers you can call to report trouble voting. mopinko has more information on this issue than I. Go here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021712478

Thanks for helping to GOTV!

What f*****s!

Fucking bastards.

It has been PA Law for decades.


Your *FIRST EVER* vote needs ID. After that, you don't.

Per www.votespa.com:

ask would she need anything ELSE on election day. HE told her bring the voter card we sent you and that would be all you need.


NOT TO MENTION they STILL ASKED for my ID and my Wife's ID and we have been voting for years!

thanks for setting the record straight.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20121105_Voter_ID__For_this_Election_Day__nothing_has_changed.html

"If you've been voting in the same polling place for years - or if you've voted there at least once - you will likely be asked to identify yourself, even if the election judge is your next-door neighbor. You'll probably be asked to show a photo ID. But you'll be allowed to vote whether you have the ID or not, after signing your name in what's called a "poll book," containing all the registration information for voters in your precinct or division.

If you're voting for the first time at a new polling place - after moving your residence or registering to vote for the first time - you will be required to show some form of ID, but the options are flexible. You can provide a government-issued photo ID, like a driver's license, a student or employee photo ID card, or non-photo ID with your name and address, like a utility bill, bank statement, or paycheck."

this is all much ado about nothing.

Called the fucking media? All that needed to be done was some HOMEWORK before heading out today. And if one has ID, why wouldn't they carry it? I'm sorry, common sense needs to prevail at some point...

is right.

come prepared with ID that isnt required?

her cannot afford an ID or no longer drive? As has been said, an ID isn't required there.

That state issued voter I.D. card should be completely adequate. What is the point of it if it's not?

and until changed, it is not an accepted form of ID for first time voters. Don't argue with me, I certainly didn't make the law, I don't even live in PA, I live in MO.

brought the only ID she was told she needed to have, and then was turned away at the polls.

This is not nothing. Elections officials should be giving out accurate information; and it makes no sense that a utility bill would be adequate identification and an official election card would not. How was the voter supposed to know that? How was she supposed to know not to rely on the elections employee?

The PA law was passed by a GOP majority to suppress the vote. That's not nothing, either.

and all those saying to call the police, call the newspapers, call the Obama campaign, when this was explained why she was turned away at the POLLS, is much ado about nothing, that's what I was talking about, the election official that gave her bad info should be dealt with, but the POLL official was correct.
Like I said, take it up with the PA officials, not me.

yes it was.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021728184#post20

Now as far as the bad info from the county clerk's office, I don't know, I don't live there, call the county clerk's office and find out.

an extra trip home and back to the elections place to vote. For most people, that wouldn't be "nothing."

I've answered your questions?
Go bother someone else.

who aren't as pro-active or are more gullible. Your attitude is mystifying.

It said that first-time voters would be asked for ID, and that ID can either be photo OR non-photo.

The initial post said that the first-time voter wasn't allowed to use a non-photo ID to vote, which is against the stated law and thus voter suppression.

it said Legal form of ID, nothing about photo ID., unless I'm looking at the wrong comment.

Evidently this is not new.

Voter ID: For this Election Day, nothing has changed
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20121105_Voter_ID__For_this_Election_Day__nothing_has_changed.html

After months of legal and political drama over Pennsylvania's new voter ID law, here's all you need to know for Election Day: Nothing has changed.

If you've been voting in the same polling place for years - or if you've voted there at least once - you will likely be asked to identify yourself, even if the election judge is your next-door neighbor. You'll probably be asked to show a photo ID. But you'll be allowed to vote whether you have the ID or not, after signing your name in what's called a "poll book," containing all the registration information for voters in your precinct or division.

If you're voting for the first time at a new polling place - after moving your residence or registering to vote for the first time - you will be required to show some form of ID, but the options are flexible. You can provide a government-issued photo ID, like a driver's license, a student or employee photo ID card, or non-photo ID with your name and address, like a utility bill, bank statement, or paycheck.

because of past shenanigans from the Repukes. Like I said before, it's much ado about nothing.
The person in question was allowed to vote after going home and getting a legal form of ID. What I can't figure is why she isn't carrying ID in the first place, I never leave my home w/o my DL and my Police ID.

Regardless of what the election official supposedly said, folks need to do their homework, check .gov websites, etc. and BE PREPARED. Especially in PA with all the bullshit that's gone on in recent months.

we are not required to show ID unless we're first time voters, when I voted this morning, I was required to sign a poll book to match my sig to the first time I voted, but I also showed my Police ID to let them know that I knew what the laws were and not to screw with me.

SS card AND voter card in my wallet. Guess I'm anal that way.

And in case anyone is interested in North Carolina voting requirements, here:

Is voter ID required in North Carolina?
http://www.ncsbe.gov/content.aspx?id=143

Of course, if/when Rethuglicans take over the state, voter ID will become the law of the land.

WAS mailed to my neighbor. It had her address and name and EVER a place she had to sign. What the freak is the sense of even sending them out if they aren't going to be accepted at polling places?


ONE last fact. The voter ID card comes from the board of elections office or whatever they call it SO that should be more proof than any utility bill.

Forget the campaign or just complaining about it. What you are describing is illegal.

...as they are the ones in charge of enforcing the law, and there's not much more obnoxious in a democracy than denying someone the right to vote!

terrible experience for your neighbor

I am not kidding. Dial 911

considered a form of ID in PA.

"If you're voting for the first time at a new polling place - after moving your residence or registering to vote for the first time - you will be required to show some form of ID, but the options are flexible. You can provide a government-issued photo ID, like a driver's license, a student or employee photo ID card, or non-photo ID with your name and address, like a utility bill, bank statement, or paycheck."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20121105_Voter_ID__For_this_Election_Day__nothing_has_changed.html

According to www.votespa.com, that is an approved form of non-photo id.

http://www.votespa.com/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=1174125&mode=2

charge of election that it would be all she needed.


NOT to mention or it seems to be ignored my wife and I long time voters STILL had to show ID

on the card is registered to vote. It does not prove that the person in possession of the card is the person named on the card. For that, 1st time voters need to provide ID.

This is nothing at all new. I've moved 7 times since I started voting in 1972, and every time I voted at a new polling place for the 1st time, I had to provide ID. Every time.

It has ALWAYS been this way in PA.

owns the account?

But it is an accepted form of ID in this case. It just is.

We used to move around a bit, so although our electric bill was in my husband's name, I always kept the cable bill in my name.

Utility bills were also used as proof of residency when I registered my daughter in school.

I disagree. I believe voter registration cards are sufficient under the old law, which is what is in force now. I know I got a letter when I moved to a new precinct with the card saying that was what to use. I used mine, and it was accepted.

I remember asking back in the 1970's, what the heck are they good for? It turns out, the only time I used my voter registration card was when I traveled to Bermuda and some of the Caribbean islands. Back before passports were required to travel anywhere outside the US, voter registration cards were acceptable proof of citizenship - but NOT ID.

It says so RIGHT ON THE CARD.

with the image above so it's clear to any DU PA voters.

If they told you you couldn't use it to vote. Its no good for anything else. Perhaps that's where the confusion came from. You can see more than one link on this thread that shows the registration card is acceptable ID. The link you provided to the news story does not say that the registration card is not. The article says the examples it gives are not exclusive.

registration card.

Here's a snippet from the Pennsylvania Democrats website, where they list acceptable forms of non-photo ID for 1st time voters.

"If a first time voter does not have a photo ID, they can use non-photo identification that includes a name and address. The following are acceptable forms of non-photo identifications:

Non-photo ID issued by the Commonwealth
Non-photo ID issued by the U.S. Government
Firearm permit
Current utility bill
Current bank statement
Current paycheck
Government check"

http://www.padems.com/voterid/FirstTimeVoters

Voter registration cards are issued by the County, not the Commonwealth. I've been looking, and I can't find a list of acceptable forms of non-photo ID that includes the voter registration card; I wish I could find a definitive statement saying voter registration cards either are or are not acceptable, but I'm not finding anything.

they sent us AND I was a first time voter in that city. They accepted the voter ID cards as our cards to vote with. That was 11 years ago.

not good.

:kick:

and always has been here in PA.

If the person in charge of elections told you all the woman needed was her voter registration card for her first time voting fucked up and gave them the wrong information.

to the elections office AND she reported it to 2 news channels in pittsburgh. My wife is livid. She made it a point to ask that man who to the voter registation form IF the neighbor needed anything else because she had moved she had things with the old address and my wife was concerned that she would need something with her new address and the man assured them that the Voter card was ALL she needed.


They claimed it was because she was a first time voter BUT then they demanded ID from my wife and me we and we have been voting for years!

Neither you nor your wife needed to present ID. You could have refused.


But your friend WAS required to present ID.

voted. Now call that 800 number and make your complaint, others will have this problem and they may not go back to vote...

If Republicans had their way you and your wife would have been sent into a holding cell with thousands of others until tomorrow for daring to question their authority.

I'm expect to hear of cases where one of these thugs claims the act of reporting them is a "threat" and charges someone with "threatening a poll worker".

don't let them turn you away without voting. gawd damn those motherfuckers.

I want to get this out there.

and we still had to show ID.


My wife made it a point to ask when the woman register IF she needed anything since her ID had her old address and not to mention she thought she might have lost it because of the move (she did find it.)


The person at the elections office stated just bring the voter card you get in the mail to the voting place.

Action now!
Voting rights forum too;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1091
Election Reform

Then force them to use a provisional ballot if there is an issue.

This is not new, it's been around for awhile. The Voter ID card is not considered ID.

Fall under "Confirmation issued by the County Voter Registration Office" http://www.votespa.com/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=1174125&mode=2 I notice the philly newspaper's website doesn't list Confirmation issued by the County Voter Registration Office as a form ID, but the SOS's website has it listed.

Accountability and confrontation will stop. Do it!

There were signs stating we would be asked for ID, but that we did not have to produce one to vote. The sign also said if the polling place was busy, showing an ID would speed the line to vote. Everyone was showing ID, I was going to decline, but in the spirit of keeping the line moving I decided to.

Throw a fit. Demand a ballot and make them give you one or call the cops.

Fit if you must, but, remember the consequences.

Suppressing the vote works by slowing down the process.

Have them involved immediately in this . . . also start talking about calling the Philadelphia Inquirer and the local news stations . . .

If you've voted there regularly they cannot require ID from you.

The voter ID card you receive says, and I quote (I'm holding it right now), "this card is identification of your right to vote. Under the law, you must present a form of identification on Election Day the first time you vote in a new election district, division or precinct. This card is an acceptable form of identification."

In other words, the card is all that is needed, even for first time voters, and that election official was wrong or trying to surpress the vote. Case closed.

The ACLU has been trying to get those signs removed, but the courts haven't done shit about it.

It will be worth getting arrested for doing that. He's pure evil. The fracking industry certainly got a great ROI by purchasing him.

If anyone is having problems please call and report it

FBI voter intimidation hotline
202-514-1888

Also REVIEW YOUR BALLOT before clicking vote...rumor is that machines in flordia are showing up as Romney in the review part when they actually clicked on Obama!!!

Why the hell isn't obstructing votes a major crime?

Local Democratic HQ and be sure to tell them which precinct this us happening in.

this post needs to stay at the top

that they have to do this. If the law says first time voters have to have ID, then you need an ID. Period. Most folks who are first time voters have known all along until today that they are first time voters. Whether one knows it's the law or not is irrelevant once you're at the poll.

Now if someone has been voting for years and is challenged by some bone-head about ID, then there is a problem.

Not that it carries a ton of official weight, but New Castle has a Facebook page. Have you considered posting there?

Ask to see the Democratic assistant, ask the supervisor to let you talk to their supervisor, call 911 and ask the police to order the clerk to give you a ballot. Call local Democratic headquarters. Do not leave without voting.

That they don't need state ID cards to vote. Take names of those asking for ID. Lawyers, lawyers, lawyers!

Call the cops.

Enough of this shit!

I was force today to show an ID. My name was in the book, clearly stating I was registered voter, along with a photo of my signature, but with a notation I had to show an ID. With out an ID I would have been out of luck.

wife and I voted, no one asked for ID at all.

However they have, for some time, asked for ID, for only those people who are new to voting in the district.

nt