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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:27 PM Nov 2012

Hmmmm Lots of Repunlicans on MSNBC complaining about Electoral College

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Some Repub saying its time for popular vote over EC.

What was it these same people were saying when Gore won the popular vote?

:-P

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Hmmmm Lots of Repunlicans on MSNBC complaining about Electoral College (Original Post) berni_mccoy Nov 2012 OP
If they go to the popular vote, Obama runs up the margins in TX, AZ, NY, NJ, etc. Renew Deal Nov 2012 #1
Yes - that's always fun el_bryanto Nov 2012 #2
These poor deluded fools think Romnesia might win the popular vote ItsTheMediaStupid Nov 2012 #3
They didn't say that in 2000, and now I will almost guarantee it isn't going to happen still_one Nov 2012 #4
You campaign to win the election exboyfil Nov 2012 #5
MSNBC on election day = FOX mick063 Nov 2012 #6
Romney is going to lose the popular vote too Doctor Jack Nov 2012 #7
EXACTLY. Kind of like where were they in complaining about govt. spending and the deficit codjh9 Nov 2012 #8
Republicans are such sore losers. City Lights Nov 2012 #9
They're only for more democracy when more democracy helps them. Otherwise, they are for more EC. nt silvershadow Nov 2012 #10
Actually, the EC favors the Republican Party more than the Democratic Party BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #11
Considering, for example, Alaska gets three votes jenw2 Nov 2012 #12
if we switch to popular vote, wyoming will report more republican votes than people in america. unblock Nov 2012 #13
Home State? Gamecock Lefty Nov 2012 #14
Heard that too. Sounded like a bunch of whiny babies with dirty diapers. nc4bo Nov 2012 #15
That is how moveon.org got named dodger501 Nov 2012 #16
After 2000 they can just suck it as far as I'm concerned. n/t leeroysphitz Nov 2012 #17
How would it change campaigning? treestar Nov 2012 #18
A popular vote election would be a Republican wet dream. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #19
I'm fairly certain that this time around the point will be way moot rock Nov 2012 #20

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. Yes - that's always fun
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:29 PM
Nov 2012

It's always enjoyable and easy to accuse the other side of being hypocrites if you are a pundit. Takes barely any effort - and that's exactly the amount of effort our pundit class likes to put forth.

Bryant

ItsTheMediaStupid

(2,800 posts)
3. These poor deluded fools think Romnesia might win the popular vote
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:29 PM
Nov 2012

As my South African co-worker said, "Not bloody likely"

As for the hypocrisy, are you really surprised?

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
5. You campaign to win the election
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:31 PM
Nov 2012

It is like the team with more hits and less runs in baseball or the football team with more yardage and less points. The popular vote does not matter once the rules of the game are set. It was that way in 2000, it is that way today.

The stupidity of people simply amazes me.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
6. MSNBC on election day = FOX
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:31 PM
Nov 2012


Come to DU for your information now. Folks here admit when they are wrong.

I only believe Hayes, Perry, Maddow, O' Donnell, Sharpton, Bashir, and Ed (as well as their daily contributers from Politico, Daily Beast, etc.)

The rest of that network is Fox news light.

codjh9

(2,781 posts)
8. EXACTLY. Kind of like where were they in complaining about govt. spending and the deficit
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:34 PM
Nov 2012

while the insanely expensive, yet totally unecessary Iraq War was going on under Shrub-Dr. Evil?

Personally, I've been against the anachronistic Electoral College for years, but has there ever been truly serious consideration to abolishing it?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
11. Actually, the EC favors the Republican Party more than the Democratic Party
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:37 PM
Nov 2012

since we have the numbers on our side (as we'll see by tomorrow) and they don't.

Currently, though, when we have Democrats like President Obama (fired up and ready to go!) we win both the EC and the PV, we snag the EC as well. If we put lackluster Democrats up who don't know how to "speak" to the people, yes, we traditionally lose in the EC.

 

jenw2

(374 posts)
12. Considering, for example, Alaska gets three votes
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:46 PM
Nov 2012

when it should only have one vote, they should be happy. The system is dishonest, and it takes representation away from people in more populous states and gives our power to people in areas that just don't matter. They should be happy with this broken system because they're the ones taking advantage of it to screw us over.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
13. if we switch to popular vote, wyoming will report more republican votes than people in america.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:49 PM
Nov 2012

the popular vote/electoral vote disparity is a minor issue compared to vote-counting fraud.

in fact simply basing electoral votes solely on house seats rather than house plus senate seats would go a long way toward reducing the problem as it would make end the small-state favoritism.

but the winner-takes-all element does one very significant thing as far as vote-counting fraud is concerned -- it keeps the fraud concentrated in states that are roughly evenly split between the two parties, i.e., the states where fraud is hardest to pull off.

removing the winner-takes-all aspect would shift the fraud to highly partisan states and districts and even precincts where it's far easier to pull off.

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
14. Home State?
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:52 PM
Nov 2012

But they were saying in 2000 that if you couldn’t win your home state (Gore – TN) then you don’t deserve the Presidency.

When Romney loses ‘both’ his home states (MA, MI) and Ryan loses his (WI), I wonder if they’ll be uttering those words?

I’m betting not!

Four More Years!!!

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
15. Heard that too. Sounded like a bunch of whiny babies with dirty diapers.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:53 PM
Nov 2012

Felt the urge to slap them all but I like my tv.

dodger501

(1,069 posts)
16. That is how moveon.org got named
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:44 PM
Nov 2012

After we kicked up a fuss about Florida and Gore getting half a million more votes than GW, all we heard from the right was "move on",
"Get over it."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. How would it change campaigning?
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:46 PM
Nov 2012

Campaigning would change, and the Obama machine is terrific. They'd take it all into account and campaign in different places.

It is interesting how big cities are blue - even in red states, the cities are blue. So it might mean Democrats taking the cities for granted and campaigning there only a little and a lot of campaigning in suburbs/rural areas.

It would actually disadvantage Republicans, because Democrats would end up campaigning in Idaho, etc. while Rs could not make much of a dent in the big cities.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
19. A popular vote election would be a Republican wet dream.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:46 PM
Nov 2012

Imagine having to worry about the integrity of the voting machines in Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, etc.

rock

(13,218 posts)
20. I'm fairly certain that this time around the point will be way moot
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:58 PM
Nov 2012

Obama will get a landslide in popular vote and electoral vote.

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