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Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:52 PM Nov 2012

Electoral Vote...Pros & Cons?

I've been on the fence with this since I was a kid. I love it when it's in our favor, hate it when it isn't. I feel the same way about the filibuster. Because we don't have control of the house, I hate it. But, if/when we ever get another Republican President and we regain control of the house...I'll rant about the benefits.

What are your thoughts, opinions, rants, etc.?

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Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
3. Maybe that's what bugs me the most.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:58 PM
Nov 2012

So, instead of asking Harry Reid to get rid of it, should we ask him to enforce it? I think so. We may need it someday.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
4. I live in California. My vote doesn't really count.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:01 PM
Nov 2012

That ticks me off. And proportionately, folks who live in North Desolation get counted more than folks here.

Popular vote!!

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
14. Yes, it does.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:16 PM
Nov 2012

I was born and raised in Chicago. I grew up being force-fed politics. When I told my father that I didn't have to vote because IL always voted Democratic he said, "If all the Democrats in Illinois felt the same way, it would become a Republican state."

Each of us has a tiny little voice, but together we can scream like a banshee.

I now live in Arizona. My vote 'doesn't really count', but...it does. I pray to live to see the day when AZ turns blue. My little tiny voice married with thousands of other little voices will make it happen.

But...I still understand how you feel.

My only complaint about the popular vote isn't really a complaint. You'd have to compare TX to CA. Would the popular votes in those two very large states overwhelm states like NH or VT? Probably. But, they do now, just not as much as they would with a popular vote.

It's a tough call, I think.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
5. electoral vote college and fillibuster should both go back to the Confederate States
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:04 PM
Nov 2012

where they were invented and where they still wield more power than they deserve.

They can take the Senate, too as far as I am concerned. That's just there to represent the wealthy landowners, always has been.

Or we could try to get into the 21st century like the rest of the countries on earth.

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
7. Because many countries do it or because this is the 21st century is no argument ...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:08 PM
Nov 2012

If the rest of the countries jumped of the bridge, would you, too?

librechik

(30,674 posts)
13. most countries mandate the polio vaccine, too--so I suppose I need OTHER justifications
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:14 PM
Nov 2012

to satisfy you
right....

it would take a book length manuscript to describe why it would be beneficial for the US to drop those antiquated mechanisms. Go check google for other people's motivations.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
6. Pros and cons:
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:07 PM
Nov 2012

the biggest argument in favour of it is that the USA is not a monolithic political entity but a federal assembly of states. (Although expect a massive chorus of butthurt wailing and possible calls to scrap the system from the Republicans if Romney wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college. I am just perverse enough to almost hope that happens, just because...schadenfreude.)

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
8. I don't think a monolithic political entity is healthy...
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:09 PM
Nov 2012

As much as I have my own opinion, I want there to be others.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
11. Not what the term means
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:12 PM
Nov 2012

in this sense "political entity" means more or less "superstate" and has nothing to do with partisan politics as such. See the difference between Germany and the US, which are federal republics, and France which isn't.

Phoonzang

(2,899 posts)
9. The system would be more fair if they spilt each state's electoral votes proportionally.
Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:10 PM
Nov 2012

For example, if a state had 10 EV total and candidate 1 got 60 percent of the vote and candidate 2 got 40, candidate 1 would get 6 EV and candidate 2 would get 4.

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