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Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 12:58 PM Jan 2012

MSNBC: Jay-Z will no longer use "The B Word" following birth of his daughter. How fucking SPECIAL.

I'm sorry, I don't see Jay-Z and Beyonce as American royalty, and lots and lots and lost of people have kids every day, so for me, this isn't an "event."

As one of the people on MSNBC just said, yeah...he USED the word and made a fucking FORTUNE using the word and encouraged OTHERS to use the word, and it's "hard to believe that he didn't have some other female figure in his life prior to the birth of his daughter" to DISCOURAGE him from using THE WORD.

Fuck him. Thanks for not using the word, but fuck him.

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MSNBC: Jay-Z will no longer use "The B Word" following birth of his daughter. How fucking SPECIAL. (Original Post) Amerigo Vespucci Jan 2012 OP
who is this jay person that we should even care? niyad Jan 2012 #1
A rapper who, for reasons that escape me... Amerigo Vespucci Jan 2012 #5
no wonder I have never heard of him. niyad Jan 2012 #54
He was made famous by making a sex video with Kim Kardashian Major Nikon Jan 2012 #24
Nope. Wrong black man. marmar Jan 2012 #25
I knew there was a J in there somewhere Major Nikon Jan 2012 #30
Beyonce's Husband JI7 Jan 2012 #68
Phuck him indeed...knr joeybee12 Jan 2012 #2
Does he have 99 problems and theaocp Jan 2012 #3
!! LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #49
Please! NOLALady Jan 2012 #4
I know! That was the whole point! Amerigo Vespucci Jan 2012 #6
Unreal... isn't it? October Jan 2012 #69
Just to be clear, Ilsa Jan 2012 #9
that's what pisses me off. it was slapping the face of every woman in his family. roguevalley Jan 2012 #57
Fuck Jay Z for this alone: OhioChick Jan 2012 #7
I wanted to add that, but didn't, so thanks... Amerigo Vespucci Jan 2012 #10
He's an asshole.... OhioChick Jan 2012 #13
I don't think he shut it down... Amerigo Vespucci Jan 2012 #17
This proves we are not equal in this country. Lint Head Jan 2012 #31
I hadn't seen that dana_b Jan 2012 #41
So until now - his wife is a "b*tch" but his daughter is NOT? mazzarro Jan 2012 #8
Yeah, go figure. GoCubsGo Jan 2012 #42
I don't get it either. It was okay for him to routinely call other people's Ecumenist Jan 2012 #11
Oh so it was okay for everyone else's daughter Marrah_G Jan 2012 #12
Hey JayZ trumad Jan 2012 #14
Ho still acceptable to him? Broderick Jan 2012 #15
I don't know. I'm just happy after all this time he found his way. Humans. What can you do? n/t Ed Suspicious Jan 2012 #16
He is very influencial in the industry obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #18
influential n/t lildreamer316 Jan 2012 #47
It was an ok word when he wasn't a daddy rustydog Jan 2012 #19
Maybe he's finally growing the f*ck up. n/t BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #20
Exactly obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #21
It takes one HELL of a lot more than that to grow up tkmorris Jan 2012 #34
That's what it sounds like to me too. Number23 Jan 2012 #61
Why do they even report this stuff as news? WI_DEM Jan 2012 #22
Is he the one who tried to copyright OWS? Iggo Jan 2012 #23
He sought to make money selling OWS t-shirts onenote Jan 2012 #27
Was this breaking MSNBC news? Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #26
I'd just like to post this here. redqueen Jan 2012 #28
EXCELLENT! CanSocDem Jan 2012 #75
So glad you enjoyed it! :D redqueen Jan 2012 #76
Does the self promoting primadonna want an award for being so wonderful? Lint Head Jan 2012 #29
loser has made $$ millions peddling smut to kids and has now seen the light. phony nt msongs Jan 2012 #32
Weak stuff JayZ. Had he had a boy, he would have kept right on with it? morningfog Jan 2012 #33
How thoughtful? Charlemagne Jan 2012 #35
C'mon, Mr. Z! MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #36
Better late than never, I guess. WillowTree Jan 2012 #37
Some people grow as a result of a catalyst in their lives. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #38
Before you give him too much credit for his "growth"... Amerigo Vespucci Jan 2012 #39
I imagine we'll go with whatever choice LanternWaste Jan 2012 #45
Good for him. It's a sweet tribute to his new daughter. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #40
LOL I am laughing at the sheer... I dunno... "it's way too late"-ness of this declaration Zalatix Jan 2012 #43
But is it ever really too late? xmas74 Jan 2012 #51
Point taken. A reformed sinner, perhaps? Zalatix Jan 2012 #52
Or maybe we shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. xmas74 Jan 2012 #58
So make your fortune and then "repent." nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #44
I'm sick of hearing about it too. Initech Jan 2012 #46
I would like to welcome Jay Z to the community of men who do not routinely refer to women Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #48
This will last right up until LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #50
So, it was o.k. for him to use it when he got married? What an asshole! Beyonce is a big fool Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #53
Good for him. Fearless Jan 2012 #55
Whatev... City Lights Jan 2012 #56
Does this apply to future lyrics only and not performances of older material? RZM Jan 2012 #59
Their daughter's first name is Blue. Blue Ivy. Quantess Jan 2012 #60
How thoughtful of him Shankapotomus Jan 2012 #62
The usage of the word was acceptable so long as he did not have a daughter. Dawson Leery Jan 2012 #63
ill show you something worse than 'the b word', bud d_b Jan 2012 #64
It truly doesn't get any worse than that Neue Regel Jan 2012 #66
I hear his daughter is black too. Is he also going to stop using the 'N' word? Neue Regel Jan 2012 #65
He must be a Republican. spooky3 Jan 2012 #67
he did a song DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #71
oh no! spooky3 Jan 2012 #74
he then supported Obama though alp227 Jan 2012 #78
Perhaps he'll find a new direction in life....something new. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2012 #70
Ahahahahaaaaa! Shankapotomus Jan 2012 #72
Now if we could just get DU noamnety Jan 2012 #73
Wish J and B would decide to stay out of the public eye for good. bigwillq Jan 2012 #77

NOLALady

(4,003 posts)
4. Please!
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:05 PM
Jan 2012

it's "hard to believe that he didn't have some other female figure in his life prior to the birth of his daughter" to DISCOURAGE him from using THE WORD.

Such as his Mother? His wife? Sister?

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
6. I know! That was the whole point!
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:06 PM
Jan 2012

He and his wife had a baby. Great. Congratulations. THAT event made him realize that disrespecting women was a BAD idea?

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
9. Just to be clear,
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:10 PM
Jan 2012

You are agreeing with, supporting, and augmenting the original post, right? Because the word "Please!" as you have it written, made me wonder. Excellent examples of JayZ's hypocrisy.

OhioChick

(23,218 posts)
7. Fuck Jay Z for this alone:
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:07 PM
Jan 2012

Jay-Z Selling Occupy Wall Street T-Shirts; No Plans to Share Profits With Protestors

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jay-z-occupy-wall-street-shirt-rocawear-260334

He eventually pulled the shirts due to "criticism."

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
10. I wanted to add that, but didn't, so thanks...
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:10 PM
Jan 2012

...I did post a thread on it at the time it happened.

This pig is no better than P Diddy and his ilk, just all about the money and severely lacking in talent. He knows his "base," he plays to it, and laughs all the way to the bank. Now he and his wife have a baby and a fortune and he's trying to position himself as some kind of hero for retiring "The B Word" from his act.

FUCK him.

OhioChick

(23,218 posts)
13. He's an asshole....
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:14 PM
Jan 2012

Didn't he and his wife shut down the maternity floor in the hospital due the birth of their kid? (Heard something on the local news)

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
17. I don't think he shut it down...
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:22 PM
Jan 2012

...he DID pay for an "executive suite," an option offered by that specific hospital...according to TMZ:

Beyonce Baby Drama Hospital DENIES Closing Off Maternity Floor for Singer

1/9/2012 1:27 PM PST BY TMZ STAFF

http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/09/beyonce-lennox-hill-hospital-money-payment/



Beyonce and Jay-Z did NOT pay $1.3 million so the Destiny's Child singer could give birth to Blue Ivy in a sealed off private floor ... this according to the hospital. A rep for Lenox Hill Hospital just released a statement, claiming, "The suggestion that the couple paid $1.3 million to rent an entire maternity floor is simply not true."

The rep adds, "The family is housed in an executive suite at the hospital and is being billed the standard rate for those accommodations."

According to the rep, "The family does have its own security detail on site. However, the hospital has been and continues to be in control of managing all security at the facility. We have made every effort to ensure minimal disruption to other families experiencing the births of their own children over the past three days."

TMZ broke the story ... moms at Lenox Hill are considering filing a lawsuit against the hospital, claiming they were treated like 2nd class citizens when Beyonce rolled in this weekend.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
31. This proves we are not equal in this country.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 02:24 PM
Jan 2012

MLK, my hero, fought and made inroads against racism. Now the greedy and controlling rich need to be marginalized. We need a Rosa Parks moment where someone refuses to do what a rich prick's security detail says when it involves a situation where we all have the freedom and right to so. There is class warfare and the damn rich started it!

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
8. So until now - his wife is a "b*tch" but his daughter is NOT?
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:10 PM
Jan 2012

So he will stop using the word to avoid tarring his daughter - hmmmm!

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
42. Yeah, go figure.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 03:52 PM
Jan 2012

His mother, mother-in-law, grandmothers, aunts, and any sisters, nieces, female in-laws, and female cousins he may have, too. What a schmuck.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
11. I don't get it either. It was okay for him to routinely call other people's
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:12 PM
Jan 2012

daughter, sisters, mothers, cousins and aunts b*tches but now that he has his daughter.

obamanut2012

(26,087 posts)
18. He is very influencial in the industry
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:24 PM
Jan 2012

And a role model to alot of young people.

He should have done this before, but better late than never. Good for him.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
34. It takes one HELL of a lot more than that to grow up
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 02:55 PM
Jan 2012

IMO he's one of the least "grown-up" humans on the planet. I don't plan to applaud until he at least hits a point on the bell curve I don't need a magnifying glass to find.

onenote

(42,724 posts)
27. He sought to make money selling OWS t-shirts
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 02:04 PM
Jan 2012

which was pretty tacky. But he didn't (and legally couldn't) "copyright" OWS. And after folks got in his face about profiting off of OWS, he gave it up and stopped selling the shirts.

I didn't have a problem with him selling the shirts, but he should have been giving most if not all of the profits back to OWS.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
28. I'd just like to post this here.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 02:11 PM
Jan 2012


Hopefully, the backlash against this kind of insidious sexism has begun.

As for this story, I guess it's nice that he did finally get it after having a daughter. It's sad that the other women in his life weren't important enough, but many men don't even get it after having a daughter. (It'd also be nice if his wife would wake up from her "who runs the world? girls." delusions and actually start paying attention to the world as it exists.)

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
76. So glad you enjoyed it! :D
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 01:06 PM
Jan 2012

I think it's a very important message, and I'm so hopeful that it catches on.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
38. Some people grow as a result of a catalyst in their lives.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 03:25 PM
Jan 2012

Some people may entertain emotional/spiritual growth as a result of a catalyst in their lives.

(as a caveat, I have no idea who he is, but infer from your OP that he's a pop/rap entertainer.)

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
39. Before you give him too much credit for his "growth"...
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 03:32 PM
Jan 2012

...read Ohio Chick's post above. This happened around a MONTH or so ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=175366

Maybe the daughter is a catalyst. Or maybe he's a prick whose wife just gave birth. I'm gonna go with "prick."

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
45. I imagine we'll go with whatever choice
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 04:40 PM
Jan 2012

"I'm gonna go with 'p---k'..."

I imagine we'll go with whatever choice better validates our own presumptions...

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
40. Good for him. It's a sweet tribute to his new daughter.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 03:35 PM
Jan 2012

I applaud any positive change in social discourse. Maybe it will become a trend.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
51. But is it ever really too late?
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 05:41 PM
Jan 2012

Sure, I'd prefer that he had never used the word or that he had quit using it many years ago. It seems to have taken him until now, the birth of his daughter, to realize that the word is just plain wrong. It's a good thing, even if it's a bit late.

I'd like to hope that it will influence others to quit using it. I'm not holding my breath but I am hoping.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
58. Or maybe we shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 07:06 PM
Jan 2012

Either way, there's far too little of it out there. Maybe it's heartfelt from becoming a first time father (a role that he quite obviously is ecstatic about), maybe it's the publicity, maybe it's all a marketing ploy. Who knows?

If he sticks by what he's said maybe he'll be an example for others that you don't need to call women names in order to be successful in rap. If he is able to do that I'm a happy camper.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
48. I would like to welcome Jay Z to the community of men who do not routinely refer to women
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 05:23 PM
Jan 2012

as "bitches" and "hos".

Better late than never.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
50. This will last right up until
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 05:33 PM
Jan 2012

he is faced with a live show and having nothing in his repertoire that he can perform.

Fuck him indeed.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
53. So, it was o.k. for him to use it when he got married? What an asshole! Beyonce is a big fool
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 05:55 PM
Jan 2012

for marrying this misogynist prick!!

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
55. Good for him.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 06:13 PM
Jan 2012

I don't see why people decry a good thing. I would never claim he's a model of civility and soft-spokenness, yet improvement should not be shunned.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
56. Whatev...
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 06:19 PM
Jan 2012

Better late than never I guess, but still.

It's too bad he doesn't have enough respect for any other females in his life to have seen the light earlier.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
59. Does this apply to future lyrics only and not performances of older material?
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 07:56 PM
Jan 2012

I assume that when he performs his older songs, he won't change the lyrics. Seems like a big to do about nothing since the man is pretty old for a rapper. I'm guessing he doesn't have very many albums left in him and thus won't have to sacrifice much to not use the word in future songs.

He was interviewed in 2010 by Terri Gross and she asked 'the bitch and ho question,' as she put it. His answer was really pretty weak and made little sense.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
60. Their daughter's first name is Blue. Blue Ivy.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:05 PM
Jan 2012

I understand parents want to be original and creative, but
did they ever consider that "Blue" sounds just like "blew"...?

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
62. How thoughtful of him
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:43 PM
Jan 2012

to not want to subject his own to himself. Where was he when he was subjecting all of us to his towering intellect?

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
63. The usage of the word was acceptable so long as he did not have a daughter.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 09:27 PM
Jan 2012

Combine the events at Lenox Hill Hospital and you have a terrible person.

spooky3

(34,462 posts)
67. He must be a Republican.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 12:08 AM
Jan 2012

They are notorious for lack of empathy. They never "get" how their actions hurt others until someone they love, or they themselves, are harmed by the same thing.

He's got a long way to go. Words are only one small part of the picture.

alp227

(32,044 posts)
78. he then supported Obama though
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:12 PM
Jan 2012

and that song doesn't really reflect Jay Z's political views rather just tells a story

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
73. Now if we could just get DU
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 12:22 PM
Jan 2012

up to the level of Jay-Z's feminist standards ...

I dunno, is that setting the bar too high?

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
77. Wish J and B would decide to stay out of the public eye for good.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 01:09 PM
Jan 2012

Really can't stand either of them.

All the best with your child, but I hope to never have to hear about her again.

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