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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:20 PM Nov 2012

Expect a big Republican push to abolish the Electoral College.

It's very difficult to imagine a Republican winning Ohio, Pennsylvania or Michigan. And it's almost impossible for a Republican to win the Electoral College without any of these states. In a popular vote election, however, millions of religious Southerners would dutifully go to the polls and pad the Republican popular vote total.

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Expect a big Republican push to abolish the Electoral College. (Original Post) Nye Bevan Nov 2012 OP
I wish they would. msrizzo Nov 2012 #1
Bring it on! I'm not afraid of a straight popular vote--but they should be! librechik Nov 2012 #2
You completely trust a state like Texas to report an accurate, honest popular vote total? Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #5
in a scenario where there is no electoral college, reforms to prevent the abuses you mention librechik Nov 2012 #10
Good thing, too. sibelian Nov 2012 #3
I would love it, but the smallest 15 states would never go for it. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #4
I don't think it'll be much of an issue liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #6
Why not? I will take the 2,600,000+ and rising win in the Popular Vote. IllinoisBirdWatcher Nov 2012 #7
Do they realize how many New Yorkers and Californians stay home in "safe" races ?... RagAss Nov 2012 #8
In a popular vote election, I bet Southern states would allow pastors Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #12
Don't they do that now? RagAss Nov 2012 #24
Fine and while were at it ... Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #9
Why would they do that?? kentuck Nov 2012 #11
Given the union vote in OH, PA and MI, Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #13
I would favor adding 10 electoral votes to the popular vote winner. former9thward Nov 2012 #14
In the back of my mind living in a State where I knew my Presidential vote would not count I voted. gordianot Nov 2012 #15
What is their point? Obama won the popular vote too. n/t EC Nov 2012 #16
There would be an enormously bigger GOTV effort in red states with a popular vote. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #19
I thought they did already ...n/t EC Nov 2012 #23
Bring it on. calico1 Nov 2012 #17
What we need to work on first, is to get control of the election machinery away from private hands. RC Nov 2012 #18
I'd be ok with that...they just need to get more accurate vote counting Sheepshank Nov 2012 #20
I hope they do. distantearlywarning Nov 2012 #21
It's so cute when they try to change the Constitution to their advantage ; hedgehog Nov 2012 #22
Ain't happening but it would be great. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #25

msrizzo

(796 posts)
1. I wish they would.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:25 PM
Nov 2012

Then more people would vote in blue states too. I live in Baltimore and I know quite a few people (won't name names) who are really sporadic voters because they claim their vote doesn't matter. They're a little lazy but they are solid Democrats and I know they would vote every time if they thought their vote mattered.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
5. You completely trust a state like Texas to report an accurate, honest popular vote total?
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:29 PM
Nov 2012

With a bunch of Tom Delays and Rick Perrys presiding over the choice of voting machines, the election, and the count? And with comparitively few Dems to keep them in check?

librechik

(30,676 posts)
10. in a scenario where there is no electoral college, reforms to prevent the abuses you mention
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:35 PM
Nov 2012

will or must be put in place. Trust, yes, but verify!

Elections everywhere should not be run by party officials but by non-partisan groups. We will have to work hard to codify a national standard that will work for everyone, but we will or we will die away like some 3rd world country unable to keep up with modern times.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
7. Why not? I will take the 2,600,000+ and rising win in the Popular Vote.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:30 PM
Nov 2012

Their fall-back fantasy position was to contest the electoral college totals because they KNEW they would win the popular vote.

In other words, by their thinking they lost TWICE yesterday.

Let them whine.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
12. In a popular vote election, I bet Southern states would allow pastors
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:37 PM
Nov 2012

to distribute early voting ballots in church.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
11. Why would they do that??
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:37 PM
Nov 2012

They have a better chance at winning Electoral College than they do of ever winning the popular vote.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
13. Given the union vote in OH, PA and MI,
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:40 PM
Nov 2012

Romney had a huge built-in disadvantage in the Electoral College. Obama had many, many more plausible paths to 270 electoral votes.

former9thward

(32,068 posts)
14. I would favor adding 10 electoral votes to the popular vote winner.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:40 PM
Nov 2012

But keep the electoral college. I think that would be a fair compromise.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
15. In the back of my mind living in a State where I knew my Presidential vote would not count I voted.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:41 PM
Nov 2012

Of course this was secondary consideration I have not missed a major election in 42 years. If nothing else voting gives you complaining privileges.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
19. There would be an enormously bigger GOTV effort in red states with a popular vote.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:51 PM
Nov 2012

As I said above, pastors would be handing out early voting ballots like candy.

calico1

(8,391 posts)
17. Bring it on.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:49 PM
Nov 2012

If the electoral college is abolished they will never win another presidential election, since the Blue states are more heavily populated and a lot of the Red States didn't win by all that much.

I say, go for it!

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
18. What we need to work on first, is to get control of the election machinery away from private hands.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:50 PM
Nov 2012

Any election involving any Federal office, needs to be under Federal rules and laws, not state.

What we have now plays right into the Republicans hands. We only did as good as we did because so many people voted, we swamped out the Republican's pre-weighted results. Our election now are no more fare than in any banana republic.
People involved in Election fraud, need to be going to prison.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
20. I'd be ok with that...they just need to get more accurate vote counting
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:53 PM
Nov 2012

and less miserable electronic voting machines

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
21. I hope they do.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:01 PM
Nov 2012

So many people in big blue Northeastern states don't bother to vote because they know the state is "safe". That wouldn't happen anymore if the electoral college was abolished. Also, some of the central low-population states have electoral votes that are out of proportion to the number of registered voters who live there. And those states are typically very strongly red. So...we get extra voters in New York, and you guys get....all the votes from Montana and Wyoming. Good luck with that.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
22. It's so cute when they try to change the Constitution to their advantage ;
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:04 PM
Nov 2012

you'd think they'd learned their lesson from the 22nd Amendment!

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
25. Ain't happening but it would be great.
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:15 PM
Nov 2012

I'd finally have a Republican cause to support.

2000, hello?

A bunch of low-density states that vote Republican and get electoral votes out of any proportion to their low populations.

1 vote in Wyoming presidential election = about 5 votes in Florida.

Of the many ways in which the 55 dead men of 1787 sought to stymie the existing American democracy that their constitution was designed to roll back, this one never worked according to intent. They thought the electors would deliberate and change results if they judged it wise, which has never happened. Electors have always voted with their original candidates, and the exceptions are literally a handful. The only effect of the EC has been to create the mathematical possibility that a losing candidate can still get a majority of EVs by winning the right combination of states. A vestigial and blind effect, but it has nevertheless changed history four times. If the EC had functioned to prevent tyrannies, 2000 would have gone the other way, no?

Let the people vote, I say. It would be much better to change the fact that one single elected super-leader and/or his entourage are so influential atop a super-executive branch that no one had imagined would ever be this big and important, but a straight popular election would be a start.

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