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Eliot Rosewater

(31,214 posts)
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 07:53 PM Mar 2023

Trump DOJ convicted more trump friends/officials than the past 2 yrs.

Bannon
Papadopoulos
Stone
Manafort
Flynn
Cohen

All convicted under the trump admin, first two years I think. Caller to Dean Obeidallah show just now pointed this out. He said it a little different, the last part he said "than the Biden Admin", but i dont want to phrase it that way although that is his point.

Discuss.

Flynn pardoned by the traitor but AFTER he was convicted, right?

If I am wrong with that list, let me know, I just heard this call and Dean was AMAZED at this and so was I.


Arent we running out of time especially with what is happening in GA?

Does anyone actually think Joe Biden and Garland, Joe Biden being the most patriotic and FAIR person to ever serve in that office, is going to arrest his political opponent? Even though he should, I say that is not possible. I know, it isnt the prez who does it...but we all know this is different.

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kimbutgar

(21,381 posts)
2. Too bad none of them are in prisonnow
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 08:07 PM
Mar 2023

Cohenwas the only patsy to serve time. And I’m respect that’s he’s speaking out.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,214 posts)
4. But think about it for a minute, arresting your political opponent...
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 08:21 PM
Mar 2023

first think about how that looks to the HALF of the country that has no clue what's going on All they will see is that president Biden is arresting President Trump.

That is what HALF of the country practically will see, not knowing jack shit about it.

WE KNOW what is going on, but we are a TINY minority.

Silent3

(15,550 posts)
13. This was too important to worry more about appearances that the need for speed
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 10:07 PM
Mar 2023

After a certain point, when you worry too much about appearing political, you end up in fact being very political in a very bad way.

Beastly Boy

(9,747 posts)
5. If anything, it proves that DOJ has always been a non-partisan organization.
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 08:33 PM
Mar 2023

Or else, mortified by their fear of appearing partisan, they went after trump's associates? In this case, Trump's DOJ was full of institutionalist cowards caving to political pressures from...Hillary?

bigtree

(86,166 posts)
6. this is a circular argument concluding the DOJ won't act against Trump
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 08:53 PM
Mar 2023

...with absolutely nothing supporting that supposition except your own cynicism, and whoever elses that gloms onto this.

There is a more concrete weight of evidence that DOJ is well on the way to establishing the intent required to charge Trump, with top administration figures presently before dual grand juries.

Why would the prosecution be 'running out of time' in Ga. with an unsigned law which calls for a committee that's yet to be formed, and absolutely no one having come forth declaring their intention to indict Fani Willis before the yet non-existent committee, absent of any legal challenges to this interference in the judiciary by the state legislature, and none of that likely to happen until at least the end of the year, if at all?

Both the DOJ grand juries are still functioning without a decision yet, as is the Ga. grand jury just seated in March for a two-month term and no-doubt already hearing evidence.

Enough with the nonfactual timetables lighting hair on fire. No one should be riding on anyone's angst that assumes the DOJ is either corrupt, compromised or hapless. There is no political timetable, just the deliberations; perp and witness challenges; as well as grand jury arrangements and court schedules set by judges .

It's little more than imaginings to posit this disbelief against the justice being pursued right in front of us. You need more than a knowing nod to the past to make it credible because, grand juries are still in deliberation and no decision has come out of any of them.

Interesting, though, how you twist this notion of patriotism and fairness into a defense of criminality. You can't get to where you so blithely suggest Garland stands without some inherent corruption in, not only himself, but in his office. It requires a higher burden of proof than your innuendo to put any truth to this casual defamation.

gab13by13

(21,858 posts)
9. Saying time doesn't matter scares me.
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 09:26 PM
Mar 2023

The statute of limitations has expired for individual one. Mueller teed that one up and 10 obstruction of Justice crimes.
The one that is overlooked is passing on indicting the Cyber Ninjas, the stern letter was ignored.

bigtree

(86,166 posts)
10. try replying to something I actually said
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 09:41 PM
Mar 2023

...otherwise you're just talking out of your own head.

The DOJ isn't ignorant of time limitations. They have their own internal plan to achieve the objectives they set, and they've already demonstrated they'll work around legal challenges which threaten to go on interminably.

The timetable the op suggested is exaggerated and based on little but their own angst over what Maddow said. None of that is going to happen in a minute, and the committee isn't likely to even be in place to affect coming indictments, not to mention the certain legal challenges to its authority.

The Mueller nonsense is a deliberate diversion from talking about what's happening right in front of us, angling for cynicism based on your word salad interpretation of what Garland hasn't yet done or should have done.

If you want to be 'scared' that's your choice, but you'll more than this jumble of complaints to be more credible in that fearmongering than the three grand juries assembled and passing judgment on the Trump cabal right now, right in front of us.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,214 posts)
12. Where in the HELL did I defame Garland or accuse him of anything?
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 09:46 PM
Mar 2023

First of all this was something someone else said on a radio show that got my attention and the attention of Dean Obeidellah, he was more responsive to this than even I was, I wish he was here to respond to your attack.

NOWHERE did I or the person who said this even IMPLY corruption by the GARLAND doj...

What the FUCK

I am done with you, respond if you want but I WILL NEVER respond to you again.

Now I remember why I stopped posting here before. Fuck this

bigtree

(86,166 posts)
14. you don't get to where you say the DOJ is likely to go without some kind of corruption
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 10:09 PM
Mar 2023

...there is no defense against charging Trump that worries over politics or 'political opponents.'

If all you want is agreement with these suppositions, you shouldn't post them here.

Garland has done nothing to deserve this cynicism, and it's a circular argument to question if the prosecutions will work while supposing it won't matter in the end because Garland something, something. Give me a break.

You dish it out here, but seemed unprepared for pushback with actual facts.

And who the fuck is Dean Obeidellah?

gab13by13

(21,858 posts)
7. Eliot, I have some more;
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 08:58 PM
Mar 2023

Rick Gates
Alex van der Zwaan (an attorney)
Sam Patten - laundered Russian money to Trump.

Mr.Bill

(24,438 posts)
8. How many on that list were
Tue Mar 7, 2023, 09:05 PM
Mar 2023

convicted before/after Bill Barr took over? I think Barr corrupted the DOJ more than Trump did.

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