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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDeclassified report suggests "Havana syndrome" could result from energy weapon
https://www.salon.com/2023/03/29/exclusive-declassified-report-suggests-havana-syndrome-could-result-from-energy-weapon/A newly obtained declassified report prepared for the director of national intelligence by a panel of experts appears to show conclusively that "Havana syndrome" a cluster of unexplained symptoms experienced by diplomats and government personnel abroad is not a naturally occurring health problem. It does not reach any conclusions about who or what may be responsible, but suggests that an unknown device or weapon using "pulsed electromagnetic energy" remains a plausible explanation.
The document was declassified after the James Madison Project, a nonprofit dedicated to reducing government secrecy, sued to obtain further information on "Anomalous Health Incidents" or AHIs, the official term used to designate the syndrome.
"The U.S. government is covering up evidence as to what AHIs are," said James Madison Project attorney Mark Zaid, who also represents a number of Havana syndrome patients. "This report differs from the summary released earlier this month and previous statements from the intelligence community. It is becoming apparent that these events were perpetrated either by foreign actors, or it is an experiment gone horribly wrong."
Further: The report says that electronic devices are far more likely to cause the effects and are a plausible cause.
So the cause is something NO ONE, especially our own Intel Services, wants to admit exists and has these side effects. We don't need Orlon's magic chipset under our skin because the external listening tools already exist?
OAITW r.2.0
(24,656 posts)So, what the fuck should I think? Imaginary? A real weapon? Time for the USG to pony up and have the last word on this.
underpants
(182,942 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,924 posts)It also makes clear that the causes are real.
The declassified report even outlines one possible method of causing AHIs, using small devices that consist of "commercial off-the-shelf technology, use mature technology, are easily portable and concealable, and can be powered by standard electricity or batteries. Parametric acoustic arrays also referred to as directional loudspeakers or acoustic lasers are the most plausible technology, although other ultrasound technology may be at play."
No line of sight would be necessary, according to the report:
For radio frequency, no direct air pathway or line of sight is required. The strongest factors affecting the power received at a given location are the power transmitted, the antenna gain, the distance between the transmitter and the location, and what kinds of materials are in between. A number of different biological effects may occur, as a function of the frequencies and power densities on target. Any one specific transmitter type may have controllable power and variable pulsing.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,656 posts)Not sure I want to believe the reporting from any source other than the USG to validate. OTOH, if the Trump WH/State had made this assertion, would I believe that? Jesus, it's getting really hard to know who to believe....
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,230 posts)Perfectly fits the thread, too.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Some days are better than others.
chowder66
(9,086 posts)no, yes, no.
But thank you for posting anyway. It's just frustrating.
Ford_Prefect
(7,924 posts)The report says the hardware that could cause this is off the shelf tech, not some star wars mystery.
NBachers
(17,149 posts)unintended consequence that's being kept under wraps?
Kid Berwyn
(14,989 posts)The report we werent supposed to know about.
That report.
EX500rider
(10,877 posts)Points to some kind of spy beam for sure.
Not necessarily the Cubans of course, I suspect the Russians who probably have free access in Havana for spying
stopdiggin
(11,385 posts)Some 1,500 cases among U.S. government staffers have now been reported worldwide. The vast majority of those cases have been resolved and were linked to causes such as existing medical conditions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/01/1160457170/u-s-intelligence-foreign-rivals-didnt-cause-havana-syndrome
EX500rider
(10,877 posts)And the evidence points towards high energy electromagnetic radiation of some type
stopdiggin
(11,385 posts)the other camp says, "we just simply don't know - haven't been able identify anything definitively - " And rather than speculate ...
KT2000
(20,590 posts)in some towns in Oregon experienced the same thing years ago. Of course they said it was all in their heads. The US has done its share of weapons testing on the US population.
stopdiggin
(11,385 posts)and has a vested financial interest. Moreover, directly contradicts statements from the 'intelligence' community issued just weeks ago.
I suppose you can conclude just about anything you wish to ... Be be aware that that is what you are doing.
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/01/1160457170/u-s-intelligence-foreign-rivals-didnt-cause-havana-syndrome
Seven different U.S. intelligence agencies were involved in the investigation, and five found it was "highly unlikely" a foreign country was to blame. One said it was "unlikely," and one didn't take a position.
The officials also said there was "no credible evidence" that a foreign adversary has a weapon capable of inflicting the kind of harm suffered by the U.S. officials.
The assessment goes against what many people suspected, including many of the intelligence officers and diplomats who suffered these ailments.
Ford_Prefect
(7,924 posts)I've seen the USG cover up many things since agent orange and also just plain get them wrong out of no ill intent. I can't speak for all of the cases but the descriptions of the initial ones didn't seem to flag with organic causes of one kind or another. I have seen what radio waves can do when applied with the appropriate focus.
I doubt this was an intentional effect. I also see the possibility that someone has something to hide. The conflicting reports make it difficult to be sure. The government has been vague and doubtful that there was actual damage initially which begs the question of whether they were telling us the whole truth 3 weeks ago.
The officials also said there was "no credible evidence" that a foreign adversary has a weapon capable of inflicting the kind of harm suffered by the U.S. officials
That is not the same thing as a device effect which originates in something which is NOT a weapon, like a listening device using microwaves as the medium.
It will be interesting to see how this turns out, if indeed we'll ever get a finite answer.