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hauweg

(98 posts)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:16 AM Nov 2012

What to do with employer who admits to firing people because they voted for Obama.

I'm not sure what can be done about this but something needs to be done.

From another forum:
Fired three employees today for voting for Obama.

Brought them in and told them that now that we're facing four more years of economic downturn, I really have to cut expenses and eliminate positions. It's just coincidence it happened to be theirs. I'm also sure it's just coincidence they're my least productive and most problematic employees.

When the unemployment office calls, I'll tell them they were fired for just cause so that they can't claim unemployment benefits either. If I don't want to pay their salaries, why should the American public pay them to just sit on their ass?

Maybe next time they'll vote Republican like real Americans.

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ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
1. Pretty sure "employer" was lying and typed that up after he got home from his
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:18 AM
Nov 2012

desk jockey job--or while at the job if he can figure out how to break firewalls. One, it's evident he doesn't know how unemployment works,

brewens

(13,620 posts)
3. If someone thinks firing employees will make them money, they should have already been fired.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:22 AM
Nov 2012

If any of those stories are legit, those guys are cutting their own throats. You don't create bad PR for yourself like that. There could be absolutely nothing good that could come from that. You might get some yokel right-wingers spending money at your business in support for awhile, but it won't last as long as people will stay pissed at you.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
7. smells like bullshit to me
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:38 AM
Nov 2012

First of all no employer would admit to that and leave himself open to a lawsuit.

Besides he has no idea how any of "his employees" voted. They don't have to tell him shit.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
8. Business forcasts are not for four more years of downturn.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:47 AM
Nov 2012

Real business people are aware that the economy is picking up, despite republican attempts to keep that from happening, and they are making plans for expansion (at least that is what is reflected in some business news journals).
If the employer, referenced in the above story, really did this to his employees he is a hot-headed idiot who will not likely be successful in business for long.
I suspect, along with several above posters, that the story was posted by an angry right winger who is not smart enough to recognize how evil and petty the story makes the "employer" look. No one who reads that will side with the boss. No one will say to themselves that the targeted employees deserved to be fired because they both voted for Obama and were lazy workers (did I read between the lines that the fired employees were black?), they will read the story and think the boss is an ass.
And, is the behavior and attitude of the boss reflective of a "real American"?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
9. Probably just RW passive agressive troll.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:05 AM
Nov 2012

If it's true, though... I'm sure there are plenty of lawyers that would love to take the person apart.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
10. How grotesquely manipulative. CREATING the "takers".
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:11 AM
Nov 2012

Deliberately creating the situation you allegedly despise.

no_hypocrisy

(46,182 posts)
11. Being an unemployed lawyer with too much free time, I'd like to
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:40 AM
Nov 2012

test that rationale in a court of law, even if it's pro bono.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
12. There are laws in some states that specifically address this
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:52 AM
Nov 2012

If an employer fires someone for who they voted for, and tells them that, they can be sued.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
14. These stories are common as dirt.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:01 AM
Nov 2012

Mostly because they're just stupid conservative wank fantasies. It's 40 Shades of Grey for stupid male Teabaggers. Twilight for old white dudes. There are always a ton of these after everything that makes the old boys club feel like they're losing their stranglehold on power. It's Galtian maker/taker slash fiction.

If you can add "Dear Tea Party Review, I never thought this would happen to me..." to the beginning of a story, it's a pretty safe bet it's utter horseshit.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
15. I'm guessing his only employees are his three cats
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:08 AM
Nov 2012

and they NEVER listen to him, and seem to be unherdable

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
16. Well that's now how unemployment works at all
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:08 AM
Nov 2012

I kind of doubt this person has ever even worked in an office where people are employed if he thinks the unemployment office calls you and asks if the person was fired for just cause.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
17. Anyone that buys this line of crap..
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:37 AM
Nov 2012

.. has an IQ below room temp. Not only doesn't this clown have the first clue about how UI works, this action would likely result in a very good Wrongful Termination suit against any outfit stupid enough to do it this way.

Only someone with all of the intelligence of a box of rocks would try to pass off this steaming pile as real.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
18. Respond.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:44 AM
Nov 2012

Tell him you've documented the conversation in order to forward it to his state Dept of Labor. It's illegal under federal law same as threatening employees with termination to attempt to influence their vote and if he actually did this, he'd find his business liquidated or auctioned to pay the damages and fines. That's before the 3-8 years in prison he'd be facing and permanent revocation of his voting privileges that comes with a federal felony conviction. (Edit: I'm 99% sure he has no employees or even a business...but the reality-check might shut other morons up from making the same post-garbage.)

In addition, he's going to be on the hook for the UI because that's not going to stand up for cause...and if the employees file, there's going to be a hearing (and an appeal hearing and potentially a day in court) and as the employer, the obligation is on him to prove cause. Employers typically win less than 15% of UI hearings unless they can document in evidence a clear terminable offense such as theft or failure to show up to work. For employees willing to chase out the entire process, the odds of success are nearly 95%. Legal Aid frequently depending-on-circumstances-of-their-specific-case advises people going into a UI hearing that they're better off not mounting any defense or saying a word as its substantially easier for an employee to disqualify themselves by their testimony from UI than for an employer to prove cause.

Even Bartleby the Scrivener would get UI, if fired, as it's not terminable grounds to refuse to perform work outside of one's job description...that's why all those job descriptions written by legal for major corporations are so vague as to what the position responsibilities are as to be meaningless all-encompassing twaddle. It's damned hard for a small businessperson to win a UI hearing. All any employee has to document is assigned work outside of written job description or a single incident of the employer treating different employees differently for the same infraction.

(Not a lawyer, just someone who took a major US bank for a UI win...then took them to court for wrongful termination and took their dirty money from them. )

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